How the Democrats rigged the 2020 election

[Mac1958]

Conservatives don’t ‘believe’ any of this happened.

What conservatives believe is that their campaign of lies will further divide the American people, undermine the democratic process, and cause voters to lose faith in the political process where voter participation is low – to the advantage of Republican candidates and officer holders.

I can agree with most of what you write, EXCEPT though Conservatives don’t necessarily “believe” that any of the OP occurred, they have convinced themselves that it indeed did occur.

In Orwellian lingo, this is known as ”double think”. The holding of two contradictory thoughts at the same time.

Yeah, I'm definitely convinced that they do believe what they're claiming, based on the information they are provided. I don't think they're lying.

Based on the nature of the responses, it does look like the OP is fairly accurate overall.

 

[Mac1958]

Mac's entire denial is based upon a logical fallacy, namely, the appeal to authority.

The choice is between accepting the opinions of other people as fact because Mac deems them important, or acknowledging the absolutely massive preponderance of statistical anomalies, and even IMPOSSIBILITIES that occurred.

Mac believes people simply because they say so. I have enough grounding in the field of probability to recognize when something stinks to high heaven, instead.

Based on your reactions and behaviors, it appears that my OP is relatively accurate.

A simple "yes" would have sufficed, but that's okay.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Mac's entire denial is based upon a logical fallacy, namely, the appeal to authority.

The choice is between accepting the opinions of other people as fact because Mac deems them important, or acknowledging the absolutely massive preponderance of statistical anomalies, and even IMPOSSIBILITIES that occurred.

Mac believes people simply because they say so. I have enough grounding in the field of probability to recognize when something stinks to high heaven, instead.

Based on your reactions and behaviors, it appears that my OP is relatively accurate.

A simple "yes" would have sufficed, but that's okay.

Your op is a ruse, just like all of your others.

 

[Muhammed]

Texas official and 3 others indicted on 134 felonies in mail-in ballot fraud case

An East Texas county commissioner is accused of a vote-by-mail scheme to fraudulently swing a 2018 primary in his favor.

abc13.com

 

[Muhammed]

North Texas Mayoral Candidate Arrested for Dozens of Mail-Ballot Voter Fraud Felonies

Authorities charged Carrollton mayoral candidate Zul Mohamed with 109 felonies related to fraudulently obtained mail-in ballots of alleged nursing home residents.

texasscorecard.com

Authorities arrested a North Texas candidate on dozens of felony voter fraud charges after catching him red-handed with a box of mail-in ballots belonging to local voters.

Carrollton mayoral candidate Zul Mirza Mohamed was charged Wednesday with 109 felonies for fraudulently requesting and obtaining mail-in ballots he alleged were for nursing home residents.

 

[Coyote]

Coincidence?

I don't know. What do you think?

It sounds as convoluted and crazy as the Birther Conspiracy Theory. It's also morphed over the months in the size and number of agencies and people required to be involved in order to maintain belief...like a rapidly growing cancer.

 

[Mac1958]

Coincidence?

I don't know. What do you think?

It sounds as convoluted and crazy as the Birther Conspiracy Theory. It's also morphed over the months in the size and number of agencies and people required to be involved in order to maintain belief...like a rapidly growing cancer.

That long list of required co-conspirators I posted is evidently accurate too. It all just gets explained away, even Pence and the Trump-appointed judges, and they appear to believe it.

 

[Coyote]

This is a serious thread, opened (and hopefully kept) in the Clean Debate Zone so that we can have some serious and thoughtful clarity on this whole controversy.

Obviously this is a complicated topic, but what I'm after here is focus, clarity, and conciseness. Your shortest, clearest, most succinct responses.

From what I'm reading, seeing and hearing, this is what Trump supporters believe happened before, during and after the 2020 elections, in three parts:

1. Fearing that President Donald Trump would win re-election in 2020, the Democrats approached and worked with the Chinese government to release a deadly virus that would disrupt the 2020 American election process and provide an excuse for the Democrats to revise/ease voting requirements. These looser requirements would provide the cover they needed to (among other things) insert doctored ballots (some of which may have been doctored by the Chinese themselves), hide/destroy ballots, and count legal ballots multiple times. Dr Anthony Fauci, a key member of the government's health system, was recruited to spread false and misleading information to the public and advance this effort.

2. A large number of individuals and organizations successfully pulled off the fraud, either working in concert or alone. Providing cover and aid in this endeavor were China, the American major media, American local media, the Democratic Party, SmartMatic and Dominion Software.

3. Once the fraud was detected, the following individuals and groups purposely and actively participated in its coverup in some way, either through dishonesty or the refusal to examine the clear and voluminous evidence of fraud that was provided: The US Supreme Court, Trump-appointed judges, GOP state election officials, GOP governors, GOP state legislatures, the FBI, the CIA, Trump's Justice Department, Trump's Attorney General, Vice President Mike Pence, the Democratic Party, the American major media and Republican congresspeople. To date, these individuals and groups have been successful in holding off the exposure of the evidence.

As I understand, that is the issue, in a nutshell, as succinct as I can make it.

Is this fair and accurate? Please comment and make your best effort to keep this focused, clear and concise.

Okay, I did forget Biden, but let's just include him in the Democratic Party.

Is my characterization fair and relatively accurate?

The whole illegal issues are election laws changed at the last minute in all of the Fraud states. This was a calculated and deliberate fraud. Election laws can only be changed through full legislation through the legislature.

This was the origins for the fraud to let happen.

Nine states changed election rules/laws prior to the 2020 election:
Florida
Tennessee
Ohio
Arizona
New York
California
Georgia
Mississippi
Wisconsin

 

[Coyote]

Coincidence?

I don't know. What do you think?

It sounds as convoluted and crazy as the Birther Conspiracy Theory. It's also morphed over the months in the size and number of agencies and people required to be involved in order to maintain belief...like a rapidly growing cancer.

That long list of required co-conspirators I posted is evidently accurate too. It all just gets explained away, even Pence and the Trump-appointed judges, and they appear to believe it.

That's how conspiracy theories get created - the Birther one was a perfect textbook example to learn from, step by step the circle of conspirators had to be widened in order to account the facts. It means a whole lot of people, many of whom are normally the antithesis of each other, have to keep a secret and act in a coordinated manner. That means that the conspiracy is worth more to this growing number of people than anything else. Frankly, knowing human nature, I can't believe not one person can be bought off by some tabloid or pac to confess.

 

[Coyote]

North Texas Mayoral Candidate Arrested for Dozens of Mail-Ballot Voter Fraud Felonies

Authorities charged Carrollton mayoral candidate Zul Mohamed with 109 felonies related to fraudulently obtained mail-in ballots of alleged nursing home residents.

texasscorecard.com

Authorities arrested a North Texas candidate on dozens of felony voter fraud charges after catching him red-handed with a box of mail-in ballots belonging to local voters.

Carrollton mayoral candidate Zul Mirza Mohamed was charged Wednesday with 109 felonies for fraudulently requesting and obtaining mail-in ballots he alleged were for nursing home residents.

And? Fraud does happen. In fact, I have to laugh....with all the claims about Dems having dead people vote for them, the only dead person I found that voted this time voted for Trump. But those are all small cases of fraud, relatively speaking, that don't have an impact on the national election. That they were caught indicates our system works.

 

[Care4all]

This is a serious thread, opened (and hopefully kept) in the Clean Debate Zone so that we can have some serious and thoughtful clarity on this whole controversy.

Obviously this is a complicated topic, but what I'm after here is focus, clarity, and conciseness. Your shortest, clearest, most succinct responses.

From what I'm reading, seeing and hearing, this is what Trump supporters believe happened before, during and after the 2020 elections, in three parts:

1. Fearing that President Donald Trump would win re-election in 2020, the Democrats approached and worked with the Chinese government to release a deadly virus that would disrupt the 2020 American election process and provide an excuse for the Democrats to revise/ease voting requirements. These looser requirements would provide the cover they needed to (among other things) insert doctored ballots (some of which may have been doctored by the Chinese themselves), hide/destroy ballots, and count legal ballots multiple times. Dr Anthony Fauci, a key member of the government's health system, was recruited to spread false and misleading information to the public and advance this effort.

2. A large number of individuals and organizations successfully pulled off the fraud, either working in concert or alone. Providing cover and aid in this endeavor were China, the American major media, American local media, the Democratic Party, SmartMatic and Dominion Software.

3. Once the fraud was detected, the following individuals and groups purposely and actively participated in its coverup in some way, either through dishonesty or the refusal to examine the clear and voluminous evidence of fraud that was provided: The US Supreme Court, Trump-appointed judges, GOP state election officials, GOP governors, GOP state legislatures, the FBI, the CIA, Trump's Justice Department, Trump's Attorney General, Vice President Mike Pence, the Democratic Party, the American major media and Republican congresspeople. To date, these individuals and groups have been successful in holding off the exposure of the evidence.

As I understand, that is the issue, in a nutshell, as succinct as I can make it.

Is this fair and accurate? Please comment and make your best effort to keep this focused, clear and concise.

Okay, I did forget Biden, but let's just include him in the Democratic Party.

Is my characterization fair and relatively accurate?

The whole illegal issues are election laws changed at the last minute in all of the Fraud states. This was a calculated and deliberate fraud. Election laws can only be changed through full legislation through the legislature.

This was the origins for the fraud to let happen.

So what you are calling fraud, is legal American citizens, actually being able to cast their vote, during a pandemic?I

That's the fraud? Citizens, yes Citizens.... Being able to cast their vote for president and other positions that are suppose to actually represent them, and is their Constitutional right?

Okie dokie!I


PS. The courts ruled the changes in all the different states were ok...

The citizens followed the law and procedures they were told were the law, by the court settlements.

That is NOT fraud. The citizens followed the rules in place. If the Secretary of States had not added COVID provisions to vote, they would have followed the existing rules, it they could.

AND only one of these court suits made it to the supreme court months after the election in appeal, and the SC ruled for that particular SOS ....the thing they did, should be done by the legislature....but did not affect the 2020 election results to even come close giving Trump a win.

 

[Coyote]

I don't know what that means. It's a pretty straightforward OP and a pretty straightforward question.

Of course it's subjective. So far, it appears that it's relatively accurate.

An on line dictionary might help- I choose my words very carefully-

How would you characterize it - in a non-subjective way, that accounts for all the claims being made by those who lost the election?

 

[Coyote]

This is a serious thread, opened (and hopefully kept) in the Clean Debate Zone so that we can have some serious and thoughtful clarity on this whole controversy.

Obviously this is a complicated topic, but what I'm after here is focus, clarity, and conciseness. Your shortest, clearest, most succinct responses.

From what I'm reading, seeing and hearing, this is what Trump supporters believe happened before, during and after the 2020 elections, in three parts:

1. Fearing that President Donald Trump would win re-election in 2020, the Democrats approached and worked with the Chinese government to release a deadly virus that would disrupt the 2020 American election process and provide an excuse for the Democrats to revise/ease voting requirements. These looser requirements would provide the cover they needed to (among other things) insert doctored ballots (some of which may have been doctored by the Chinese themselves), hide/destroy ballots, and count legal ballots multiple times. Dr Anthony Fauci, a key member of the government's health system, was recruited to spread false and misleading information to the public and advance this effort.

2. A large number of individuals and organizations successfully pulled off the fraud, either working in concert or alone. Providing cover and aid in this endeavor were China, the American major media, American local media, the Democratic Party, SmartMatic and Dominion Software.

3. Once the fraud was detected, the following individuals and groups purposely and actively participated in its coverup in some way, either through dishonesty or the refusal to examine the clear and voluminous evidence of fraud that was provided: The US Supreme Court, Trump-appointed judges, GOP state election officials, GOP governors, GOP state legislatures, the FBI, the CIA, Trump's Justice Department, Trump's Attorney General, Vice President Mike Pence, the Democratic Party, the American major media and Republican congresspeople. To date, these individuals and groups have been successful in holding off the exposure of the evidence.

As I understand, that is the issue, in a nutshell, as succinct as I can make it.

Is this fair and accurate? Please comment and make your best effort to keep this focused, clear and concise.

Okay, I did forget Biden, but let's just include him in the Democratic Party.

Is my characterization fair and relatively accurate?

Your characterization is sarcastic and is also exactly what the uneducated and uninformed trumpeciles truly believe.

How would YOU characterize it?

 

[Muhammed]

This is a serious thread, opened (and hopefully kept) in the Clean Debate Zone so that we can have some serious and thoughtful clarity on this whole controversy.

Obviously this is a complicated topic, but what I'm after here is focus, clarity, and conciseness. Your shortest, clearest, most succinct responses.

From what I'm reading, seeing and hearing, this is what Trump supporters believe happened before, during and after the 2020 elections, in three parts:

1. Fearing that President Donald Trump would win re-election in 2020, the Democrats approached and worked with the Chinese government to release a deadly virus that would disrupt the 2020 American election process and provide an excuse for the Democrats to revise/ease voting requirements. These looser requirements would provide the cover they needed to (among other things) insert doctored ballots (some of which may have been doctored by the Chinese themselves), hide/destroy ballots, and count legal ballots multiple times. Dr Anthony Fauci, a key member of the government's health system, was recruited to spread false and misleading information to the public and advance this effort.

2. A large number of individuals and organizations successfully pulled off the fraud, either working in concert or alone. Providing cover and aid in this endeavor were China, the American major media, American local media, the Democratic Party, SmartMatic and Dominion Software.

3. Once the fraud was detected, the following individuals and groups purposely and actively participated in its coverup in some way, either through dishonesty or the refusal to examine the clear and voluminous evidence of fraud that was provided: The US Supreme Court, Trump-appointed judges, GOP state election officials, GOP governors, GOP state legislatures, the FBI, the CIA, Trump's Justice Department, Trump's Attorney General, Vice President Mike Pence, the Democratic Party, the American major media and Republican congresspeople. To date, these individuals and groups have been successful in holding off the exposure of the evidence.

As I understand, that is the issue, in a nutshell, as succinct as I can make it.

Is this fair and accurate? Please comment and make your best effort to keep this focused, clear and concise.

Okay, I did forget Biden, but let's just include him in the Democratic Party.

Is my characterization fair and relatively accurate?

The whole illegal issues are election laws changed at the last minute in all of the Fraud states. This was a calculated and deliberate fraud. Election laws can only be changed through full legislation through the legislature.

This was the origins for the fraud to let happen.

Nine states changed election rules/laws prior to the 2020 election:
Florida
Tennessee
Ohio
Arizona
New York
California
Georgia
Mississippi
Wisconsin

Here in Ohio we stopped them cold. Back in 2008 the Democrats sent hundreds if not thousands of operatives here. Busloads of them.

But election workers only busted 3 of them. 2 from New York and 1 from California. And they only got busted because they were so fucking stupid that they actually used Obama's downtown Columbus voter fraud headquarters as their address.

We terrorize those fuckers now. We will use stealthy lethal force if necessary. They will not get away with a fine again. They will be torturously disappeared. Hot curling iron up the ass and dumped in lake Erie.

 

[Coyote]

1. Fearing that President Donald Trump would win re-election in 2020, the Democrats approached and worked with the Chinese government to release a deadly virus that would disrupt the 2020 American election process and provide an excuse for the Democrats to revise/ease voting requirements. These looser requirements would provide the cover they needed to (among other things) insert doctored ballots (some of which may have been doctored by the Chinese themselves), hide/destroy ballots, and count legal ballots multiple times.

Question: Did the Democrats approach China to help them get President Trump out of office?

Answer: No. China desperately wanted President Trump out of office because he was kicking their ass from one side of the globe to the other. They didn’t need a request from the Democrats. They were going to work hard to remove him all on their own.


Question: Did China release the virus intentionally to hurt President Trump?

Answer: While certainly possible, it’s much more likely that the virus accidentally escaped from their Wuhan lab due to poor protocols and/or human error.

Good answer...I partially agree, except it was found China did not actually involve itself in election interference because it saw neither outcome as advantagious enough to risk being caught. Russia and Iran were found to have attempted interference (Russia, pro-Trump, Iran pro-Biden).

 

[Coyote]

Fearing that President Donald Trump would win re-election in 2020, the Democrats approached and worked with the Chinese government to release a deadly virus that would disrupt the 2020 American election process and provide an excuse for the Democrats to revise/ease voting requirements

Thats you premise?

That repubs believe the china virus was the product of collusion between dems and chicoms?

Is that what you are you are trying to pawn off as a serious discussion?

Dont make me laugh

It's been claimed, and I doubt those making the claim are Democrats:

Fact check: Coronavirus did not spread in the US because of an anti-Trump conspiracy

Statements made on a podcast claimed that COVID-19 was spread in the US as part of a conspiracy against Donald Trump. We rate this claim false.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Muhammed]

North Texas Mayoral Candidate Arrested for Dozens of Mail-Ballot Voter Fraud Felonies

Authorities charged Carrollton mayoral candidate Zul Mohamed with 109 felonies related to fraudulently obtained mail-in ballots of alleged nursing home residents.

texasscorecard.com

Authorities arrested a North Texas candidate on dozens of felony voter fraud charges after catching him red-handed with a box of mail-in ballots belonging to local voters.

Carrollton mayoral candidate Zul Mirza Mohamed was charged Wednesday with 109 felonies for fraudulently requesting and obtaining mail-in ballots he alleged were for nursing home residents.

And? Fraud does happen. In fact, I have to laugh....with all the claims about Dems having dead people vote for them, the only dead person I found that voted this time voted for Trump. But those are all small cases of fraud, relatively speaking, that don't have an impact on the national election. That they were caught indicates our system works.

They were old people, not dead people.

How many piece of shit Democrats on this board have falsely claimed that there is NO evidence of voter fraud?

Did you?

 

[dblack]

This is a serious thread, opened (and hopefully kept) in the Clean Debate Zone so that we can have some serious and thoughtful clarity on this whole controversy.

Obviously this is a complicated topic, but what I'm after here is focus, clarity, and conciseness. Your shortest, clearest, most succinct responses.

From what I'm reading, seeing and hearing, this is what Trump supporters believe happened before, during and after the 2020 elections, in three parts:

1. Fearing that President Donald Trump would win re-election in 2020, the Democrats approached and worked with the Chinese government to release a deadly virus that would disrupt the 2020 American election process and provide an excuse for the Democrats to revise/ease voting requirements. These looser requirements would provide the cover they needed to (among other things) insert doctored ballots (some of which may have been doctored by the Chinese themselves), hide/destroy ballots, and count legal ballots multiple times. Dr Anthony Fauci, a key member of the government's health system, was recruited to spread false and misleading information to the public and advance this effort.

2. A large number of individuals and organizations successfully pulled off the fraud, either working in concert or alone. Providing cover and aid in this endeavor were China, the American major media, American local media, the Democratic Party, SmartMatic and Dominion Software.

3. Once the fraud was detected, the following individuals and groups purposely and actively participated in its coverup in some way, either through dishonesty or the refusal to examine the clear and voluminous evidence of fraud that was provided: The US Supreme Court, Trump-appointed judges, GOP state election officials, GOP governors, GOP state legislatures, the FBI, the CIA, Trump's Justice Department, Trump's Attorney General, Vice President Mike Pence, the Democratic Party, the American major media and Republican congresspeople. To date, these individuals and groups have been successful in holding off the exposure of the evidence.

As I understand, that is the issue, in a nutshell, as succinct as I can make it.

Is this fair and accurate? Please comment and make your best effort to keep this focused, clear and concise.

Okay, I did forget Biden, but let's just include him in the Democratic Party.

Is my characterization fair and relatively accurate?

The whole illegal issues are election laws changed at the last minute in all of the Fraud states. This was a calculated and deliberate fraud. Election laws can only be changed through full legislation through the legislature.

This was the origins for the fraud to let happen.

Nine states changed election rules/laws prior to the 2020 election:
Florida
Tennessee
Ohio
Arizona
New York
California
Georgia
Mississippi
Wisconsin

That list isn't complete. I know for a fact that Pennsylvania was monkeying with the election rules right up until a few weeks before the election. The thing is, they had good reason to do so. The pandemic justified streamlining the vote by mail process. Did they take advantage of that opportunity to tweak things to favor their voters? Of course! Some people might consider that cheating, but, as long the process was Constitutional, it's not illegal. It's like gerrymandering.

 

[Coyote]

I tried to make it as strag

Primarily, via mail in ballot fraud, obviously.

When you look at the numbers, they are very anomalous in key areas.

Only an EXTREMELY rigid leftist partisan would ignore all these anomalies. There are so many of them that only a fool would try to explain them away.

How so many primarily black precincts could show those absolutely unreal voter turnouts defies all logic, especially considering the established pattern of voting turnout in them.

That's exactly the problem, but not in the way you think.

Republicans can't believe a group that traditionally has not voted in large numbers suddenly coming out and voting in large numbers.

Why is that so unbelievable? Obama inspired a huge black turn out (not surprisingly) and much of it through a large grass roots efforts. A similar effort went on in this election only the lightning rod wasn't Obama, it was Trump. Just he inspired his supporters to come out in unprecedented numbers, he also inspired his detractors to come out in unprecedented numbers.

If you find it believable that an unprecedented number of people came out to vote for Trump in 2020....why is it NOT believable that an unprecedented number of people came out and voted for Biden in 2020?

And particularly...why is it unbelievable that the normally politically apathetic black communities in these areas wouldn't be galvanized? There were powerful get out the vote activities going on - convincing people that their vote mattered.

And now...they can see the result of that, their vote made a difference without question, in key areas....and yet Republicans are actively trying to take it away and even disenfranchise them. That is pretty disturbing imo.

 

[Coyote]

North Texas Mayoral Candidate Arrested for Dozens of Mail-Ballot Voter Fraud Felonies

Authorities charged Carrollton mayoral candidate Zul Mohamed with 109 felonies related to fraudulently obtained mail-in ballots of alleged nursing home residents.

texasscorecard.com

Authorities arrested a North Texas candidate on dozens of felony voter fraud charges after catching him red-handed with a box of mail-in ballots belonging to local voters.

Carrollton mayoral candidate Zul Mirza Mohamed was charged Wednesday with 109 felonies for fraudulently requesting and obtaining mail-in ballots he alleged were for nursing home residents.

And? Fraud does happen. In fact, I have to laugh....with all the claims about Dems having dead people vote for them, the only dead person I found that voted this time voted for Trump. But those are all small cases of fraud, relatively speaking, that don't have an impact on the national election. That they were caught indicates our system works.

They were old people, not dead people.

How many piece of shit Democrats on this board have falsely claimed that there is NO evidence of voter fraud?

Did you?

First off - Mohammed, remember you are in CDZ, ok?

No, I didn't claim "no fraud" - everyone acknowledges that there is always some fraud, they just don't put in the disclaimer every time of "significant fraud". There will always be some fraud, even if it's one guy, voting in the name of his dead mother - but we have good laws and procedure in place. But no fraud significant enough to affect a national election was found, nor any sort of conspiracy on a national level. So why play semantical games?