How the Democrats rigged the 2020 election

[Slade3200]

Leave China out of it. The pandemic was grotesquely exploited by the Media/Left to slander the President - as new details make abundantly clear - but it was not created for this purpose. It was truly just a fuck-up, and not a planned assault by the CCP.

America's Left used the Pandemic and inflammatory coverage of the dangers to instill irrational fear in the voting population - mainly ignorant fools - so that they could claim that voting-in-person was taking an unreasonable personal risk. Then they conspired in the key swing states to water down any rational attempts to bring vote security to the mail-in votes, in many cases employing illegal and unconstitutional means to do so (under the Constitution, only the STATE LEGISLATURES had the power to modify voting requirements). Had they merely made the Mail-In security requirements comparable to Absentee Ballot requirements, the theft could not have occurred.

But they set up voting systems and parameters that not only facilitated massive fraud, but at the same time made it impossible to document, because the documents themselves (the written ballots) were compromised, mixed with legitimate ballots, or destroyed.

And none of this was a revelation after-the-fact. The Trump team was screaming about it in the run-up to the election, but the Media poo-poohed it unanimously, rendering it nothing more than "Fox News Hysteria."

And this is how the election was stolen, without a trace. All that is left is inferential evidence. Virtually every key indicator indicated a Trump win, and in fact he won the swing states, which would have given him the Electoral College, despite losing the mythical "popular election." Just like in 2016.

Ironically and humorously, the evidence of a stolen election is infinitely more compelling than the evidence of "systemic racism," which Leftists accept as "gospel."

If the election was stolen in that way, with a massive amount of illegal votes/ballots that were not documented and that can not be traced then how do you know that they even exist?

 

[Mac1958]

Its incredible how the people who routinely call you a POS when you post about the 2020 election suddenly agree with you.

The reactions have been gratifying, I guess. They're thrown off balance when it's clear someone is paying attention to what they're saying.

 

[Mac-7]

I didn't do that. So, you must believe I'm a liar.

There is no reason for you to

I dont think you are a liar

I believe you are a hyper partisan who has gotten carried away with hate for trump

And you dont want to talk about the guy you voted for because he’s so embarrassing

Biden is doing real harm to real people

But you dont care because tour hate for Trump is stronger than your love for America

 

[MisterBeale]

including the crazy idea that the Democrats colluded with China to release the virus (that tops the charts on looney imo).

I have no idea of political leanings of Dr. Fauci.

What I do know is this.

First, as this is the CDZ, and you are a moderator, you set a poor example by lobbing out ad hom and invective at the beliefs others might hold, whether or not I may agree with you. . . this is what makes folks blood pressure rise, and how conversations degrade.

. . .and second, it is without question that Fauci helped fund the Chinese quest in Gain of Function, b/c many in the states don't look real fondly upon it.

Dr. Fauci Backed Controversial Wuhan Lab with U.S. Dollars for Risky Coronavirus Research​

Dr. Fauci Backed Controversial Wuhan Lab with U.S. Dollars

Biomedical research ultimately helps protect public health, Dr. Fauci argued in explaining his support for controversial research.

www.newsweek.com

This? Is not up for debate any longer. If you refuse to accept reality, don't ridicule with ad hom and hyperbole the ideas of others who don't. As to whether the virus was released on purpose, or if there was a conspiracy with the World Economic Forum, and that John Hopkins Event 201 think tank back in Oct. of 2019, with the intellectual elite as a cover for the economic & political elite to shoe horn in that "Great Reset,"

. . . and to "Build Back Better?" (This was what Joe campaigned on. . . it is almost like, for the global elite, his placement as POTUS, was fait accompli.)

. . . well. . .

That's just up for conjecture.

(note the date?)

 

[candycorn]

I didn't do that. So, you must believe I'm a liar.

There is no reason for you to

I dont think you are a liar

I believe you are a hyper partisan who has gotten carried away with hate for trump

And you dont want to talk about the guy you voted for because he’s so embarrassing

Biden is doing real harm to real people

But you dont care because tour hate for Trump is stronger than your love for America

Make sure you position your fainting couch before you post like that dear.

 

[Slade3200]

The establishment of both parties couldn't let Trump stay in power because he was preventing them from their robbery as usual method of governance. They couldn't stand the fact that an unlimited amount of money was there for the taking and Trump was forcing them to be honest. Stealing the election was their only salvation. In addition to the easy money, there were also large numbers of DOJ people who stood a good chance of ending up in jail if Trump was reelected. The stolen election was a big part of the DOJ criminal coverup.

So both major parties had motivation to take him out.

Would you say my characterization above is fair?

After all of this, I don't think we had an honest election since Ike. Kennedy's father stole 60, but stealing led to cleaning brain and blood matter off Daly Plaza.

Any Democrat ever winning was by fraud since 60. Any Repub winning means the Dems did not cheat enough

I see poll workers moving suitcases as Dem party operatives. Poll workers must be thoroughly vetted, like picking a Grand Jury

Now some will say it will cost more. When did a Dem ever worry about cost unless they paid for it????????

If Obama can give Africa millions to teach men to properly wash their Johnsons, then we have the money for election security.

Would you say the characterization in the OP is fair and relatively complete from a big picture perspective?

TLDR. If it can't be summed up in 3 sentences, I never bother to read it. My opinion would be the same without reading it. So I give opinions on OPs that are 3 sentences long.

This is the dumbest thing I’ve read today. The OP was well written and concise. You’re engaging from a place of ignorance so how can you be taken seriously?

Well. I never worked for a boss. Called all my shots. Never lived by alarm clock. Didn't come home exhausted from miserable coworkers in a toxic company. Dropping dead 2 days after retiring. Not working a day in my life doing what I was put on Earth to do.

^^^^^These circumstances have always formed my opinions. You call me ignorant, so I always have to explain it this way and my ignorance at life in general.
.My Lord. I can't remember ever making this many posts without cursing. I don't think I cursed today yet....Thanky OP for making me do sumptin I never dids befores

I didn’t call you ignorant. You may be a very smart and fine person. I’m calling they way you are engaging in this thread ignorant. The OP took the time to very concisely lay out the election fraud case as he understood it and was looking for a discussion about his points. You want to discuss those points but not read them because they take up more than 3 sentences. That’s ignorance.

 

[sartre play]

We have had more Republican presidents than Democrats, Make me understand why this loss is so different? Could this be true, that EVEN if there was more cheating(and am not saying there was) is it not true that all Biden had to get was over one thousand votes for a clean win?

 

[Slade3200]

I tried to make it as strag

This is a serious thread, opened (and hopefully kept) in the Clean Debate Zone so that we can have some serious and thoughtful clarity on this whole controversy.

Obviously this is a complicated topic, but what I'm after here is focus, clarity, and conciseness. Your shortest, clearest, most succinct responses.

From what I'm reading, seeing and hearing, this is what Trump supporters believe happened before, during and after the 2020 elections, in three parts:

1. Fearing that President Donald Trump would win re-election in 2020, the Democrats approached and worked with the Chinese government to release a deadly virus that would disrupt the 2020 American election process and provide an excuse for the Democrats to revise/ease voting requirements. These looser requirements would provide the cover they needed to (among other things) insert doctored ballots (some of which may have been doctored by the Chinese themselves), hide/destroy ballots, and count legal ballots multiple times. Dr Anthony Fauci, a key member of the government's health system, was recruited to spread false and misleading information to the public and advance this effort.

2. A large number of individuals and organizations successfully pulled off the fraud, either working in concert or alone. Providing cover and aid in this endeavor were China, the American major media, American local media, the Democratic Party, SmartMatic and Dominion Software.

3. Once the fraud was detected, the following individuals and groups purposely and actively participated in its coverup in some way, either through dishonesty or the refusal to examine the clear and voluminous evidence of fraud that was provided: The US Supreme Court, Trump-appointed judges, GOP state election officials, GOP governors, GOP state legislatures, the FBI, the CIA, Trump's Justice Department, Trump's Attorney General, Vice President Mike Pence, the Democratic Party, the American major media and Republican congresspeople. To date, these individuals and groups have been successful in holding off the exposure of the evidence.

As I understand, that is the issue, in a nutshell, as succinct as I can make it.

Is this fair and accurate? Please comment and make your best effort to keep this focused, clear and concise.

Okay, I did forget Biden, but let's just include him in the Democratic Party.

Is my characterization fair and relatively accurate?

Your characterization is sarcastic and is also exactly what the uneducated and uninformed trumpeciles truly believe.

I tried to make it as straightforward and accurate as possible, based on my perceptions of what I've heard, seen and read.

I suspect that most of what you've "heard, seen and read" regarding the subject is from fake news sources that cater to TDS afflicted morons such as yourself. You drink a lot of the commie extreme leftist Jonesian grape flavored beverage. AKA crude, defamatory anti-USA disinformation.

Or, I just pay attention to what you guys say, and ask a lot of questions. Like on this very thread. Whichever you prefer is fine.

You do not pay attention at all.

You are too busy rephrasing, misrepresenting, mocking and belittling to actually listen.

Have you actually laid out what he misrepresented in his OP? Apologies if I missed that post of yours. Can you point me to it if it exists?

 

[Slade3200]

I tried to make it as strag

This is a serious thread, opened (and hopefully kept) in the Clean Debate Zone so that we can have some serious and thoughtful clarity on this whole controversy.

Obviously this is a complicated topic, but what I'm after here is focus, clarity, and conciseness. Your shortest, clearest, most succinct responses.

From what I'm reading, seeing and hearing, this is what Trump supporters believe happened before, during and after the 2020 elections, in three parts:

1. Fearing that President Donald Trump would win re-election in 2020, the Democrats approached and worked with the Chinese government to release a deadly virus that would disrupt the 2020 American election process and provide an excuse for the Democrats to revise/ease voting requirements. These looser requirements would provide the cover they needed to (among other things) insert doctored ballots (some of which may have been doctored by the Chinese themselves), hide/destroy ballots, and count legal ballots multiple times. Dr Anthony Fauci, a key member of the government's health system, was recruited to spread false and misleading information to the public and advance this effort.

2. A large number of individuals and organizations successfully pulled off the fraud, either working in concert or alone. Providing cover and aid in this endeavor were China, the American major media, American local media, the Democratic Party, SmartMatic and Dominion Software.

3. Once the fraud was detected, the following individuals and groups purposely and actively participated in its coverup in some way, either through dishonesty or the refusal to examine the clear and voluminous evidence of fraud that was provided: The US Supreme Court, Trump-appointed judges, GOP state election officials, GOP governors, GOP state legislatures, the FBI, the CIA, Trump's Justice Department, Trump's Attorney General, Vice President Mike Pence, the Democratic Party, the American major media and Republican congresspeople. To date, these individuals and groups have been successful in holding off the exposure of the evidence.

As I understand, that is the issue, in a nutshell, as succinct as I can make it.

Is this fair and accurate? Please comment and make your best effort to keep this focused, clear and concise.

Okay, I did forget Biden, but let's just include him in the Democratic Party.

Is my characterization fair and relatively accurate?

Your characterization is sarcastic and is also exactly what the uneducated and uninformed trumpeciles truly believe.

I tried to make it as straightforward and accurate as possible, based on my perceptions of what I've heard, seen and read.

I suspect that most of what you've "heard, seen and read" regarding the subject is from fake news sources that cater to TDS afflicted morons such as yourself. You drink a lot of the commie extreme leftist Jonesian grape flavored beverage. AKA crude, defamatory anti-USA disinformation.

Or, I just pay attention to what you guys say, and ask a lot of questions. Like on this very thread. Whichever you prefer is fine.

There you go attacking a strawman again.

What parts of his characterization do you oppose? How do YOU think the election was stolen?

Primarily, via mail in ballot fraud, obviously.

When you look at the numbers, they are very anomalous in key areas.

How do fraudulent votes get cast through mail in? Can you give an example?

 

[Slade3200]

The establishment of both parties couldn't let Trump stay in power because he was preventing them from their robbery as usual method of governance. They couldn't stand the fact that an unlimited amount of money was there for the taking and Trump was forcing them to be honest. Stealing the election was their only salvation. In addition to the easy money, there were also large numbers of DOJ people who stood a good chance of ending up in jail if Trump was reelected. The stolen election was a big part of the DOJ criminal coverup.

So both major parties had motivation to take him out.

Would you say my characterization above is fair?

After all of this, I don't think we had an honest election since Ike. Kennedy's father stole 60, but stealing led to cleaning brain and blood matter off Daly Plaza.

Any Democrat ever winning was by fraud since 60. Any Repub winning means the Dems did not cheat enough

I see poll workers moving suitcases as Dem party operatives. Poll workers must be thoroughly vetted, like picking a Grand Jury

Now some will say it will cost more. When did a Dem ever worry about cost unless they paid for it????????

If Obama can give Africa millions to teach men to properly wash their Johnsons, then we have the money for election security.

Would you say the characterization in the OP is fair and relatively complete from a big picture perspective?

TLDR. If it can't be summed up in 3 sentences, I never bother to read it. My opinion would be the same without reading it. So I give opinions on OPs that are 3 sentences long.

This is the dumbest thing I’ve read today. The OP was well written and concise. You’re engaging from a place of ignorance so how can you be taken seriously?

It's their way of answering without having to answer.

As I mentioned, if a new poster had written it, their response would have been different.

I would offer to post it for you but I’m pretty sure I’d be getting similar reactions. These children can just give direct answers to direct questions. Everything is spin and projection

 

[MisterBeale]

I tried to make it as strag

Primarily, via mail in ballot fraud, obviously.

When you look at the numbers, they are very anomalous in key areas.

Only an EXTREMELY rigid leftist partisan would ignore all these anomalies. There are so many of them that only a fool would try to explain them away.

How so many primarily black precincts could show those absolutely unreal voter turnouts defies all logic, especially considering the established pattern of voting turnout in them.

That's exactly the problem, but not in the way you think.

Republicans can't believe a group that traditionally has not voted in large numbers suddenly coming out and voting in large numbers.

Why is that so unbelievable? Obama inspired a huge black turn out (not surprisingly) and much of it through a large grass roots efforts. A similar effort went on in this election only the lightning rod wasn't Obama, it was Trump. Just he inspired his supporters to come out in unprecedented numbers, he also inspired his detractors to come out in unprecedented numbers.

If you find it believable that an unprecedented number of people came out to vote for Trump in 2020....why is it NOT believable that an unprecedented number of people came out and voted for Biden in 2020?

And particularly...why is it unbelievable that the normally politically apathetic black communities in these areas wouldn't be galvanized? There were powerful get out the vote activities going on - convincing people that their vote mattered.

And now...they can see the result of that, their vote made a difference without question, in key areas....and yet Republicans are actively trying to take it away and even disenfranchise them. That is pretty disturbing imo.

". . .and yet Republicans are actively trying to take it away and even disenfranchise them. That is pretty disturbing imo."

I have no problem with any of this post. Except this last part. . . I do not understand this. . . POV, or how folks believe this is the case.

Why not let the Trump supporters have the audits their way, release the source code from Dominion, and put the whole controversy to rest?
They had media fed to them, which made the election, or at least, the way it was conducted, look pretty suspicious. I have no idea, why you can't put yourself in their shoes, or why media was put out to generate this narrative. . . for profit, to create a spectacle, to engage the public with the process and sell ads?

Why is the left so against vetting the whole election in an complete, open, and fair way? I just don't get that.

You state that Republicans are actively trying to "take it away," but fail to acknowledge, that this is the way that folks feel about the way the establishment conducted the election. There is a significant portion of the electorate that feel they have had their traditional system of representation taken away. True or not, this is the message media subcultures have generated, they have seen scenes of it, physical evidence of it, and mathematical calculations of it with their own eyes.

Just prove every vote was a legal vote, and don't whine about doing so, and, IMO, things would be fine.

. . . don't sit there and make the claim it has been done so, when various methods to placate the low information masses were half measures to only confirm the official narrative as the only techniques to have been employed.

that's what Republicans get for not hiring an accredited election audit team, and using a man's company who worked for Sidney Powell...and proclaimed the election was stolen.

Dominion did not release their source code to the State hired independent certified election auditors either.

But dominion did open up the systems for them, to do their forensic audit.... Because they were state certified, trustworthy auditors.

Republicans chose to hire political, partisan, actors..... This is their doings that won't give you the audit you were hoping for.

What YOU deem as "trustworthy," and what others deem as trustworthy, may not be the same. eh?

I think this is where we are going to really run into an unsolvable problem.

If you view the polls, most Americans believe, the establishment has been incontrovertibly corrupted. This is the point made in the OP. So?

If the establishment is the one that deems whether an auditing team is "accredited" or not? Then the folks contesting the establishment's audit will not matter, and YOU will not accept the audit of those who believe the establishment to be corrupt. . .
I don't trust NIST, they are a joke, even more so than Trump and the MSM.


You clearly not getting what is being put down.

If anyone knows anything? This would have had a chilling effect. . which I am sure was the reason they did it, regrouped the system, and continued on with their corruption.

Whistleblower Charged With Three Felonies for Exposing Diebold's Crimes

Whistleblower Charged With Three Felonies for Exposing Diebold's Crimes

www.huffpost.com

 

[colfax_m]

Sure it is.

Silly statement. That’s a lot of what courts do. Decide what is and is t constitutional.

 

[Mac-7]

How do fraudulent votes get cast through mail in? Can you give an example?

Get a blank ballot

Check the box for biden

And forge a signature

 

[Slade3200]

How do fraudulent votes get cast through mail in? Can you give an example?

Get a blank ballot

Check the box for biden

And forge a signature

So unless you match the signature the ballot gets flagged and doesn’t count right? How many people do you realistically got extra ballots and were able to accurately forge signatures to legitimately count that vote?

 

[Mac-7]

unless you match the signature the ballot gets flagged and doesn’t count right?

Not necessarily

When the ballot judge is a democrat matching the signature is not required

 

[Coyote]

I tried to make it as strag

Primarily, via mail in ballot fraud, obviously.

When you look at the numbers, they are very anomalous in key areas.

Only an EXTREMELY rigid leftist partisan would ignore all these anomalies. There are so many of them that only a fool would try to explain them away.

How so many primarily black precincts could show those absolutely unreal voter turnouts defies all logic, especially considering the established pattern of voting turnout in them.

That's exactly the problem, but not in the way you think.

Republicans can't believe a group that traditionally has not voted in large numbers suddenly coming out and voting in large numbers.

Why is that so unbelievable? Obama inspired a huge black turn out (not surprisingly) and much of it through a large grass roots efforts. A similar effort went on in this election only the lightning rod wasn't Obama, it was Trump. Just he inspired his supporters to come out in unprecedented numbers, he also inspired his detractors to come out in unprecedented numbers.

If you find it believable that an unprecedented number of people came out to vote for Trump in 2020....why is it NOT believable that an unprecedented number of people came out and voted for Biden in 2020?

And particularly...why is it unbelievable that the normally politically apathetic black communities in these areas wouldn't be galvanized? There were powerful get out the vote activities going on - convincing people that their vote mattered.

And now...they can see the result of that, their vote made a difference without question, in key areas....and yet Republicans are actively trying to take it away and even disenfranchise them. That is pretty disturbing imo.

That's what you probably don't think but say anyways because of your rabid partisanship..

I'm not sure what you mean by that.

It's what I do think.

Joe Biden is on video bragging that he had the biggest voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.

Why do you pretend that that never happened?

It's not a matter of pretending it didn't happen. It's taking a statement completely out of context and pretending it means something else. The missing context: the president was discussing the voter protection program.

Fact check: Clip of Biden taken out of context to portray him as plotting a voter fraud scheme

Shared on Facebook and Instagram days leading up to the 2020 U.S. general election, posts show a clip of Joe Biden saying, “We have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.” The posts falsely ask...

www.reuters.com

 

[Mac1958]

I tried to make it as strag

Primarily, via mail in ballot fraud, obviously.

When you look at the numbers, they are very anomalous in key areas.

Only an EXTREMELY rigid leftist partisan would ignore all these anomalies. There are so many of them that only a fool would try to explain them away.

How so many primarily black precincts could show those absolutely unreal voter turnouts defies all logic, especially considering the established pattern of voting turnout in them.

That's exactly the problem, but not in the way you think.

Republicans can't believe a group that traditionally has not voted in large numbers suddenly coming out and voting in large numbers.

Why is that so unbelievable? Obama inspired a huge black turn out (not surprisingly) and much of it through a large grass roots efforts. A similar effort went on in this election only the lightning rod wasn't Obama, it was Trump. Just he inspired his supporters to come out in unprecedented numbers, he also inspired his detractors to come out in unprecedented numbers.

If you find it believable that an unprecedented number of people came out to vote for Trump in 2020....why is it NOT believable that an unprecedented number of people came out and voted for Biden in 2020?

And particularly...why is it unbelievable that the normally politically apathetic black communities in these areas wouldn't be galvanized? There were powerful get out the vote activities going on - convincing people that their vote mattered.

And now...they can see the result of that, their vote made a difference without question, in key areas....and yet Republicans are actively trying to take it away and even disenfranchise them. That is pretty disturbing imo.

That's what you probably don't think but say anyways because of your rabid partisanship..

I'm not sure what you mean by that.

It's what I do think.

Joe Biden is on video bragging that he had the biggest voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.

Why do you pretend that that never happened?

It's not a matter of pretending it didn't happen. It's taking a statement completely out of context and pretending it means something else. The missing context: the president was discussing the voter protection program.

Fact check: Clip of Biden taken out of context to portray him as plotting a voter fraud scheme

Shared on Facebook and Instagram days leading up to the 2020 U.S. general election, posts show a clip of Joe Biden saying, “We have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.” The posts falsely ask...

www.reuters.com

I'm tempted to say "they know that, they're just playing politics", but I'm just no longer confident in saying such things.

 

[Coyote]

It's been claimed, and I doubt those making the claim are Democrats:

Claimed by who?

I never heard of Josh Bernstein before or the Nutri Medical Whatever podcast

I never heard of him either but - it doesn't matter, those claims spread, become viral, and idiots believe them. Don't believe me? It's been talked about here in USMB.

But I know that Biden’s plan to distribute chinese disease stimulus money to farmers AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT WHITE was denied by a federal judge

Thats the sort of crap you and Mac1958 voted for

Stuff that you dont want to talk about

Sure, and start a thread about it. I can equally point out the things you Trump voters voted for that aren't too pretty and were turned down by federal judges. This protects from unconstitutional extremes.

 

[BS Filter]

Conservatives don’t ‘believe’ any of this happened.

What conservatives believe is that their campaign of lies will further divide the American people, undermine the democratic process, and cause voters to lose faith in the political process where voter participation is low – to the advantage of Republican candidates and officer holders.

Actually, what conservatives want is fair and honest elections with voters that are legal citizens and qualified to vote. Democrats know that they will lose more often if that happens, thus the Democrat demands for looser voting regulations.

 

[Slade3200]

unless you match the signature the ballot gets flagged and doesn’t count right?

Not necessarily

When the ballot judge is a democrat matching the signature is not required

Are you just making that up? Cause I voted in California via mail in and I voted for Biden and my ballot got rejected because my signature did not match what they had on file. So there’s a real life example of the system working. Do you have real life examples of it not working and doing so in a way that would make a massive fraud event and stolen election remotely believable?