How much have U.S. farmers been affected by illegal immigrants being deported?

[Papageorgio]

Farmers Brace for Workforce Shortages as 40% of Agriculture Workers Are Undocumented - USA Herald ?

Tell that to the OP he made the claim with no link and then threw a fit when asked for it.

 

[Seymour Flops]

So, the answer to the question so far is - not at all, or very little.

Theoretically, if forty percent of the workforce were to be deported - which is highly unlikely - farmers would be forced to pay a living wage to Americans, or at least a competitive wage to legal immigrants.

I suppose farmers in the Confederate States were affected when their workforce was freed. But most of them made deals for sharecropping with their laborers, and continued to profit. So the effects were minimal.

 

[eagle1462010]

40% of the migrants working in agriculture are illegal.

Has Trump offered any plan that will allow more migrants to come legally?

Has your career politicians done so in decades?

 

[eagle1462010]

False.

We have a quota system. The number of legal immigrants allowed is limited.

That's why farmers have to hire illegals. The quota system does not provide enough legal labor supply to meet the labor demand.

And in decades has your Career politicians increased the DOL numbers?

Why no they havent.

Time for them to do their ******* jobs.

 

[Luckyone]

Tell that to the OP he made the claim with no link and then threw a fit when asked for it.

You are an asshole critic. You can find the information yourself, if that was truly what you really want. What you want is to discredit the messenger that brings negative information about Trump

Here, to shut your mouth. This information comes from the Center of Immigration Studies

A Profile of Undocumented Agricultural Workers in the United States​

Agricultural workers in the United States not only support the US economy, but are also responsible for keeping people across the country and the globe fed. The agricultural sector contributed $1.055 trillion to the US GDP in 2020, with $134.7 billion coming just from farms. [1] US agricultural exports were worth $139.6 billion in 2018. [2]

The agricultural sector in the United States relies on foreign workers; 86 percent of agricultural workers in the United States are foreign-born and 45 percent of all US agricultural workers are undocumented.

 

[eagle1462010]

You are an asshole critic. You can find the information yourself, if that was truly what you really want. What you want is to discredit the messenger that brings negative information about Trump

Here, to shut your mouth. This information comes from the Center of Immigration Studies

A Profile of Undocumented Agricultural Workers in the United States​

Agricultural workers in the United States not only support the US economy, but are also responsible for keeping people across the country and the globe fed. The agricultural sector contributed $1.055 trillion to the US GDP in 2020, with $134.7 billion coming just from farms. [1] US agricultural exports were worth $139.6 billion in 2018. [2]

The agricultural sector in the United States relies on foreign workers; 86 percent of agricultural workers in the United States are foreign-born and 45 percent of all US agricultural workers are undocumented.

Of which you again DEFEND THEIR SLAVE LABOR POLICIES.

Under the Dept of Labor they must be paid fair wages, and per diem. They are also required to pay fees and TAXES.

 

[Luckyone]

Has your career politicians done so in decades?

I am glad you used the word politicians because it is both parties and over 50 years that have been unable to solve the problem.

The thing is that simply deporting illegal aliens (not looking for an answer to the kind of people willing to till the fields, which most Americans are not willing to do) is not a solution EITHER, meaning that the problem is now likely to be exacerbated.

 

[dudmuck]

So, the answer to the question so far is - not at all, or very little.

Theoretically, if forty percent of the workforce were to be deported - which is highly unlikely - farmers would be forced to pay a living wage to Americans, or at least a competitive wage.

I suppose farmers in the Confederate States were affected when their workforce was freed. But most of them made deals for sharecropping with their laborers, and continued to profit. So the effects were minimal.

the assertion there is that minimum wage is zero. But zero wage means zero labor. Capitalism always tries to minimize costs while maximizing productivity or output, using any means necessary.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

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Impact of Deportation on U.S. Farmers and the Agricultural Sector:
The deportation of undocumented immigrants has significantly impacted U.S. farmers and the agricultural sector due to the sector's heavy reliance on immigrant labor.

Here's a breakdown of the key effects:

1. Labor Shortages and Workforce Disruption:

• Significant portion of farmworkers are undocumented: Roughly 40% of crop farmworkers in the U.S. are estimated to be undocumented, according to the Department of Agriculture.
• Mass deportations could severely deplete the agricultural workforce: This could lead to significant disruptions in planting, harvesting, and other essential farm operations.
• Farmers struggle to find replacements: Many farmers find it challenging to attract domestic workers to fill these physically demanding and often low-paying jobs.

2. Economic Impacts on Farms and Consumers:

• Increased labor costs: With a reduced workforce, farmers may face increased competition for available labor, potentially driving up wages.
• Reduced domestic production: Labor shortages could lead to reduced planting and harvesting, potentially impacting the overall quantity of domestically grown crops.
• Higher food prices: Labor shortages and reduced domestic production could lead to higher food prices for consumers.
• Potential shift towards increased imports: Farmers might need to rely more on imported produce to meet demand, potentially weakening the domestic agricultural market.

3. Operational and Logistical Challenges:

• Difficulty in meeting seasonal labor needs: Many farms, especially those producing labor-intensive crops like fruits and vegetables, rely on a seasonal workforce to meet their harvest demands.
• Challenges in adapting to new immigration policies: Farms may need to invest time and resources in adapting to changes in immigration enforcement and regulations.

4. Psychological and Social Impacts on Farmworkers:

• Fear and anxiety among immigrant workers: The threat of deportation can create significant fear and stress among farmworkers and their families.
• Potential for exploitation: A climate of fear and uncertainty could potentially make some workers more vulnerable to exploitation by employers.

In summary: The deportation of undocumented immigrants presents significant challenges to U.S. farmers, impacting their ability to maintain a reliable workforce, manage costs, and sustain domestic agricultural production.



This is something that Trump has not truly addressed or offered a solution for. He is deporting illegal aliens but not giving the farmers a "doable" option. Yes, getting rid of illegal aliens is a good thing but when you hurt Americans in the process, the good diminishes and in many occasions means that more harm than good is done.

Time to hire Americans.

 

[eagle1462010]

https://www.nilc.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/WR_Brochure_Eng_WEB_New.pdf

Right to not be this......

 

[Luckyone]

Of which you again DEFEND THEIR SLAVE LABOR POLICIES.

Under the Dept of Labor they must be paid fair wages, and per diem. They are also required to pay fees and TAXES.

I am NOT defending anything. All I stated in the OP is that the widespread deportation of illegals without offering a solution that will help (not hurt) Americans is exacerbating the problem.

That is not a defense. It is highlighting the problem

 

[eagle1462010]

I am glad you used the word politicians because it is both parties and over 50 years that have been unable to solve the problem.

The thing is that simply deporting illegal aliens (not looking for an answer to the kind of people willing to till the fields, which most Americans are not willing to do) is not a solution EITHER, meaning that the problem is now likely to be exacerbated.

UNWILLING to solve the problem.

Fixed it for ya.

 

[Luckyone]

Time to hire Americans.

That would be nice, if and when you can find Americans that are willing to till the fields. That is a huge problem, because 99% of Americans are not willing to do so.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

That would be nice, if and when you can find Americans that are willing to till the fields. That is a huge problem, because 99% of Americans are not willing to do so.

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I did. It's bullshit to make people allow sanctuary cities. Your leaders dupe you into thinking that so you accept their sanctuary cities that make your leaders lots of money. They are a cash cow to cities and the hell with the murders, rape and crimes.

 

[Luckyone]

I did. It's bullshit to make people allow sanctuary cities. Your leaders dupe you into thinking that so you accept their sanctuary cities that make your leaders lots of money. They are a cash cow to cities and the hell with the murders, rape and crimes.

Why did you shift the focus of the OP? This OP is only about how deportation of illegal aliens will hurt our agriculture industry and bring pocketbook pain to all of us.

Why do you mention "sanctuary cities" and leaders "duping"? How are YOU going to replace the drop of 45% of the work force in our agriculture industry?

Are you willing to work tilling the fields yourself, and your entire family, as well as convincing all the people you know to do the same?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Why did you shift the focus of the OP? This OP is only about how deportation of illegal aliens will hurt our agriculture industry and bring pocketbook pain to all of us.

Why do you mention "sanctuary cities" and leaders "duping"? How are YOU going to replace the drop of 45% of the work force in our agriculture industry?

Are you willing to work tilling the fields yourself, and your entire family, as well as convincing all the people you know to do the same?

As I said, you drank the Kool-Aid of farm workers being all illegals and how are we going to get crops picked? When I was still in high school, I picked oranges at a FARM part-time. Farmers have a great lobby and pay off politicians in the form of campaign contributions to import slave labor for them. When they get poor uneducated Mexicans they can pay them $8.00 an hour with no vacations, sick pay, or holidays. What citizen would want to work under those conditions?

This is no different than you liberals wanting cheap KMart stuff. When restaurants saw the gig that farmers had they whispered to the braceros that they didn't have to go back to "Medico". They could work in the restaurant. The cities were ecstatic. The immigrants would stay and rent apartments, buy stuff in the stores and increase the population so they would get more legislators. Then it exploded with them working in construction and factories and the cities them knew what a sweet deal they had.

No reporting of their crimes. That would be "racist". No deporting them without trial. The cities need them. Ta hell with the crime. Too many government jobs would be lost if they deported them. So, this nonsense of "Who will work the farms" in the indoctrination your leaders told you to repeat FOR them, so they can stay in power.

Yes, farmers will finally have to pay $18.00 an hour to pick strawberries. CITIZENS will get those jobs. Pay up and quit your constant entitlement whining.

 

[Papageorgio]

You are an asshole critic. You can find the information yourself, if that was truly what you really want. What you want is to discredit the messenger that brings negative information about Trump

Here, to shut your mouth. This information comes from the Center of Immigration Studies

A Profile of Undocumented Agricultural Workers in the United States​

Agricultural workers in the United States not only support the US economy, but are also responsible for keeping people across the country and the globe fed. The agricultural sector contributed $1.055 trillion to the US GDP in 2020, with $134.7 billion coming just from farms. [1] US agricultural exports were worth $139.6 billion in 2018. [2]

The agricultural sector in the United States relies on foreign workers; 86 percent of agricultural workers in the United States are foreign-born and 45 percent of all US agricultural workers are undocumented.

Usually when one starts a thread and makes a statement they back it up with a link so others can research your claims. Those are the rules for posting a thread, Ibelieve it is in the TOS and is common courtesy, so your response was that of an asshole. Thanks for proving you’re an asshole.

 

[Luckyone]

Usually when one starts a thread and makes a statement they back it up with a link so others can research your claims. Those are the rules for posting a thread, Ibelieve it is in the TOS and is common courtesy, so your response was that of an asshole. Thanks for proving you’re an asshole.

AI is considered a LINK

 

[eagle1462010]

I am NOT defending anything. All I stated in the OP is that the widespread deportation of illegals without offering a solution that will help (not hurt) Americans is exacerbating the problem.

That is not a defense. It is highlighting the problem

A problem created by career useless politicians.

They love their slave labor.

 

[Luckyone]

As I said, you drank the Kool-Aid of farm workers being all illegals and how are we going to get crops picked? When I was still in high school, I picked oranges at a FARM part-time. Farmers have a great lobby and pay off politicians in the form of campaign contributions to import slave labor for them. When they get poor uneducated Mexicans they can pay them $8.00 an hour with no vacations, sick pay, or holidays. What citizen would want to work under those conditions?

This is no different than you liberals wanting cheap KMart stuff. When restaurants saw the gig that farmers had they whispered to the braceros that they didn't have to go back to "Medico". They could work in the restaurant. The cities were ecstatic. The immigrants would stay and rent apartments, buy stuff in the stores and increase the population so they would get more legislators. Then it exploded with them working in construction and factories and the cities them knew what a sweet deal they had.

No reporting of their crimes. That would be "racist". No deporting them without trial. The cities need them. Ta hell with the crime. Too many government jobs would be lost if they deported them. So, this nonsense of "Who will work the farms" in the indoctrination your leaders told you to repeat FOR them, so they can stay in power.

Yes, farmers will finally have to pay $18.00 an hour to pick strawberries. CITIZENS will get those jobs. Pay up and quit your constant entitlement whining.

You are assuming a lot but even then you are making my point. Who is going to pay for deporting those illegal aliens tilling the fields? We are, in the form of paying higher prices.

Bottom line, Trump is supposed to make our lives better and help bring inflation down so we have more money for other things and he is doing the opposite