The Trump Effect: Iran War hurting farmers all across the world.

[markef]

Well that's all fine and dandy, but I never said Netanyahu was controlling trump, so it looks like you're the one struggling to differentiate between fantasy and reality.

Pay attention when you choose to debate something with me.

Fantasies about Netanyahu controlling American politicians are imaginations based on speculations.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Trump had no contingency plan if Iran tried to interfere with oil transportation through the straits of Hormuz.
Where we are now, in the straits of Hormuz, is all on the shoulders of Donald Trump.

No President has had a more negative effect on the world economy than Trump.

You mean other than shutting down their entire economy with a completely effective blockade? Trump is about to bring the most oppressive regime in the world to it's knees without bloodshed but you on the left are complaining about fuel costs that are appreciatively lower than fuel costs under Biden? Remind me again what we GOT for those high Biden fuel costs?

 

[Man With A Plan]

I'm curious as to how all our Trump hating lefties in the UK are doing now that the left just got handed their asses in your latest elections? Is that Trump's fault as well?

 

[ElmerMudd]

You mean other than shutting down their entire economy with a completely effective blockade? Trump is about to bring the most oppressive regime in the world to it's knees without bloodshed but you on the left are complaining about fuel costs that are appreciatively lower than fuel costs under Biden? Remind me again what we GOT for those high Biden fuel costs?

The blockade has hurt the Iranian economy but the regime is not capitulating.
Trump was warned about the possibility of the oil disruption but Trump said not to worry about it because the Iranian people would raise up and take over the government.
Biden did not ever have gas prices this high.
Trump's inflation is higher now, than when he took office.
Trump said, under him, wars end quickly or don’t start at all. Wrong

Trump said, “Starting on Day 1, we will end inflation and make America affordable again.” Wrong The economy is worse today than the day he took office. Inflation 3.3%

Trump repeatedly said he could end the Russia–Ukraine war “within 24 hours” of taking office. Wrong

Harris (or continuation of the Biden administration) presidency would lead to: “World War III” or something close to it. We got this with Trump

Trump promised, in 2016, 2020, 2024 he would repeal and replace Affordable Care Act with something “better”. Wrong

Trump promised, cut housing costs in half, get gas below ~$2/gallon - Both are higher -wrong

Trump promised to reduce deficits and improve government finances - his proposed budget that has one of the largest deficit of any budget in history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How do you cut government services and increase the debt? Tax breaks for the rich.

 

[Man With A Plan]

The blockade has hurt the Iranian economy but the regime is not capitulating.
Trump was warned about the possibility of the oil disruption but Trump said not to worry about it because the Iranian people would raise up and take over the government.
Biden did not ever have gas prices this high.
Trump's inflation is higher now, than when he took office.
Trump said, under him, wars end quickly or don’t start at all. Wrong

Trump said, “Starting on Day 1, we will end inflation and make America affordable again.” Wrong The economy is worse today than the day he took office. Inflation 3.3%

Trump repeatedly said he could end the Russia–Ukraine war “within 24 hours” of taking office. Wrong

Harris (or continuation of the Biden administration) presidency would lead to: “World War III” or something close to it. We got this with Trump

Trump promised, in 2016, 2020, 2024 he would repeal and replace Affordable Care Act with something “better”. Wrong

Trump promised, cut housing costs in half, get gas below ~$2/gallon - Both are higher -wrong

Trump promised to reduce deficits and improve government finances - his proposed budget that has one of the largest deficit of any budget in history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How do you cut government services and increase the debt? Tax breaks for the rich.

Elmer? How long has the blockade been in place? You REALLY expected the regime to "capitulate" already? Do you doubt that the blockade is working?

Trump actually warned the Iranian people NOT to take to the streets yet because the IRGC would slaughter them! He told them to wait and they're waiting.

The price of gasoline went to an average of over $5 a gallon under Biden. Trump hasn't come close to that. What you should be asking is what did Americans "get" from paying that amount under Biden and what are they potentially getting from paying less under Trump? We got nothing from the Biden price spike...we might very well be getting the end of the world's number one sponsor of terrorism from the Trump price spike! Which do you think is better for America?

I love you liberals...Trump tried to reduce the deficit through DOGE and you on the left had a shit fit because he was cutting your beloved government programs! Now you turn around and criticize him for not shrinking the deficit? Right...

 

[Man With A Plan]

The blockade has hurt the Iranian economy but the regime is not capitulating.
Trump was warned about the possibility of the oil disruption but Trump said not to worry about it because the Iranian people would raise up and take over the government.
Biden did not ever have gas prices this high.
Trump's inflation is higher now, than when he took office.
Trump said, under him, wars end quickly or don’t start at all. Wrong

Trump said, “Starting on Day 1, we will end inflation and make America affordable again.” Wrong The economy is worse today than the day he took office. Inflation 3.3%

Trump repeatedly said he could end the Russia–Ukraine war “within 24 hours” of taking office. Wrong

Harris (or continuation of the Biden administration) presidency would lead to: “World War III” or something close to it. We got this with Trump

Trump promised, in 2016, 2020, 2024 he would repeal and replace Affordable Care Act with something “better”. Wrong

Trump promised, cut housing costs in half, get gas below ~$2/gallon - Both are higher -wrong

Trump promised to reduce deficits and improve government finances - his proposed budget that has one of the largest deficit of any budget in history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How do you cut government services and increase the debt? Tax breaks for the rich.

By the way...if the Iranian regime wasn't holding out hoping you Democrats take control of the House in the mid terms and bail them out...they would have already "capitulated"! YOU are their only hope now! Let that sink in. One of the most despotic regimes on the planet led by people who slaughtered their own unarmed citizens simply for protesting, see YOU as their knights in white armor coming to save them!

 

[ElmerMudd]

By the way...if the Iranian regime wasn't holding out hoping you Democrats take control of the House in the mid terms and bail them out...they would have already "capitulated"! YOU are their only hope now! Let that sink in. One of the most despotic regimes on the planet led by people who slaughtered their own unarmed citizens simply for protesting, see YOU as their knights in white armor coming to save them!

Trump has plenty of time to "annihilate" Iran if they don't mean Trump's demands.
Iran says f##k you. Trump talks the big game but does not follow through.

If Trump wants to beat the democrats before the midterms, do what he threats or be called TACO.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Elmer? How long has the blockade been in place? You REALLY expected the regime to "capitulate" already? Do you doubt that the blockade is working?

Trump actually warned the Iranian people NOT to take to the streets yet because the IRGC would slaughter them! He told them to wait and they're waiting.

The price of gasoline went to an average of over $5 a gallon under Biden. Trump hasn't come close to that. What you should be asking is what did Americans "get" from paying that amount under Biden and what are they potentially getting from paying less under Trump? We got nothing from the Biden price spike...we might very well be getting the end of the world's number one sponsor of terrorism from the Trump price spike! Which do you think is better for America?

I love you liberals...Trump tried to reduce the deficit through DOGE and you on the left had a shit fit because he was cutting your beloved government programs! Now you turn around and criticize him for not shrinking the deficit? Right...

Trump decreased governent expenditures through DOGE. Mainly services to citizens that were designated frivalous. But after all the cuts Trump has proposed a budget with one of the largest deficit in history.

That is before the costs of the Iran war.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Trump decreased governent expenditures through DOGE. Mainly services to citizens that were designated frivalous. But after all the cuts Trump has proposed a budget with one of the largest deficit in history.

That is before the costs of the Iran war.

And you the left fought those DOGE cuts tooth and nail, Elmer! Do you remember how your side started firebombing Tesla dealerships just because the guy running DOGE started the company? Those were not "frivalous" (sic) services that were cut...most of the were blatant waste of taxpayer money!

 

[Correll]

Not only is Trump been terrible for farmers in this country in both of his terms, he is now hurting farmers all across the world. No one should be surprised by his power to harm others, he probably delights in this news.

A farmer in the Midwest said last week he is now spending an additional $1500.00 per week in fuel.



SUPHAN BURI, Thailand — Saithong Jamjai has just finished harvesting the rice on the 19 hectares of farmland she owns in central Thailand and now is the time to sow again. But she won’t, she said, because of the U.S.-Israeli war against Iran.

She has gone over the math for weeks. Because of surging prices, driven by the war, of fuel, fertilizer, plastics and other necessities, planting and harvesting will cost her at least $33,000, she said. The grain that she’ll produce, she estimates, will sell in August for only $22,000.

“A confirmed loss,” Saithong, 53, concluded. She’d rather let her land bake under the yellowing husks from last season. “We’re not going to sink the resources,” she said. “Not in this situation.”

The standoff between President Donald Trump and Iran that has brought shipping to a virtual halt in the Persian Gulf has set off supply chain shocks that are upending lives thousands of miles away in Asia, raising costs for farmers at the start of key planting seasons that will sharply reduce crop yields in the second half of the year and beyond, according to government officials, economists and farming groups.

Iran’s destruction of gas infrastructure in the Gulf and the dueling U.S.-Iran efforts to choke the Strait of Hormuz have prevented crucial supplies of fuel and its derivatives like urea — a potent source of nitrogen that enhances harvests — from leaving the Middle East. Because fuel infrastructure takes years to build, there is no ready replacement for these supplies.

In effect, 30 percent of the world’s urea has been “wiped out,” said Pranshi Goyal, senior analyst at the market intelligence firm CRU Group. China, a major fertilizer producer, has restricted exports to ensure its farmers have enough. Russia, another big manufacturer, is seeing demand soar, potentially boosting its economy and aiding its war in Ukraine. On what is known as the spot market, urea prices are up 40 percent since February.

On Monday, Trump said the United States would guide stranded ships through the Strait of Hormuz but then quickly reversed himself after reports that two U.S. destroyers had come under attack while transiting the strait. Even if ship traffic resumes, however, it would take at least a month or two for cargo to arrive at destinations and for markets to stabilize, Goyal said.

The longer the production plants in the Middle East stay closed, the longer they will take to restart. “This problem builds in a nonlinear fashion,” Goyal said.

WaPo

Iran is hte one that closed the straits and bombed that infastructure.

So, why are you not attacking IRAN?

 

[protectionist]

Not only is Trump been terrible for farmers in this country in both of his terms, he is now hurting farmers all across the world. No one should be surprised by his power to harm others, he probably delights in this news.

A farmer in the Midwest said last week he is now spending an additional $1500.00 per week in fuel.



SUPHAN BURI, Thailand — Saithong Jamjai has just finished harvesting the rice on the 19 hectares of farmland she owns in central Thailand and now is the time to sow again. But she won’t, she said, because of the U.S.-Israeli war against Iran.

She has gone over the math for weeks. Because of surging prices, driven by the war, of fuel, fertilizer, plastics and other necessities, planting and harvesting will cost her at least $33,000, she said. The grain that she’ll produce, she estimates, will sell in August for only $22,000.

“A confirmed loss,” Saithong, 53, concluded. She’d rather let her land bake under the yellowing husks from last season. “We’re not going to sink the resources,” she said. “Not in this situation.”

The standoff between President Donald Trump and Iran that has brought shipping to a virtual halt in the Persian Gulf has set off supply chain shocks that are upending lives thousands of miles away in Asia, raising costs for farmers at the start of key planting seasons that will sharply reduce crop yields in the second half of the year and beyond, according to government officials, economists and farming groups.

Iran’s destruction of gas infrastructure in the Gulf and the dueling U.S.-Iran efforts to choke the Strait of Hormuz have prevented crucial supplies of fuel and its derivatives like urea — a potent source of nitrogen that enhances harvests — from leaving the Middle East. Because fuel infrastructure takes years to build, there is no ready replacement for these supplies.

In effect, 30 percent of the world’s urea has been “wiped out,” said Pranshi Goyal, senior analyst at the market intelligence firm CRU Group. China, a major fertilizer producer, has restricted exports to ensure its farmers have enough. Russia, another big manufacturer, is seeing demand soar, potentially boosting its economy and aiding its war in Ukraine. On what is known as the spot market, urea prices are up 40 percent since February.

On Monday, Trump said the United States would guide stranded ships through the Strait of Hormuz but then quickly reversed himself after reports that two U.S. destroyers had come under attack while transiting the strait. Even if ship traffic resumes, however, it would take at least a month or two for cargo to arrive at destinations and for markets to stabilize, Goyal said.

The longer the production plants in the Middle East stay closed, the longer they will take to restart. “This problem builds in a nonlinear fashion,” Goyal said.

WaPo

The IRGC effect.

 

[ElmerMudd]

And you the left fought those DOGE cuts tooth and nail, Elmer! Do you remember how your side started firebombing Tesla dealerships just because the guy running DOGE started the company? Those were not "frivalous" (sic) services that were cut...most of the were blatant waste of taxpayer money!

I am not left. No one should fire bomb anything. The services may have been frivalous.
BUT HOW IN THE HELL IS THER SUCH A LARGE DEFICIT IN TRUMP'S BUDGET?

 

[Man With A Plan]

I am not left. No one should fire bomb anything. The services may have been frivalous.
BUT HOW IN THE HELL IS THER SUCH A LARGE DEFICIT IN TRUMP'S BUDGET?

Gee, why COULD we be spending so much money at the Federal level! Billions of dollars in fraud? Too bad you on the left didn't let Musk's crew keep going through the books, Elmer!

 

[ElmerMudd]

Gee, why COULD we be spending so much money at the Federal level! Billions of dollars in fraud? Too bad you on the left didn't let Musk's crew keep going through the books, Elmer!

Trump and the Republicans are in charge. Any fraud is on them.

 

[markef]

I am not left. No one should fire bomb anything. The services may have been frivalous.
BUT HOW IN THE HELL IS THER SUCH A LARGE DEFICIT IN TRUMP'S BUDGET?

Obama lowered the deficit by doubling the debt, which was far worse.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It was Iran's choice to mine the Strait of Hormuz and fire on ships to scare the insurance companies into dropping coverage for the tankers.

While only happened AFTER Bibi and his SecWar Trump attacked Iran

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So TRUMP should wipe Iran out?

Will Republicans campaign on Global Depression in November?

 

[markef]

While only happened AFTER Bibi and his SecWar Trump attacked Iran

The leftists in the world were OK with mass-murdering Muslim atrocities as long as their own lives were not impacted, like a socialist mayor adoring rioters as long as the rioters stayed out of her wealthy neighborhood.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Trump and the Republicans are in charge. Any fraud is on them.

So the fraud that's been going on in Democrat controlled States like Minn. is on Trump and the Republicans? You're an idiot, Elmer! No other way to put it!

 

[ElmerMudd]

So the fraud that's been going on in Democrat controlled States like Minn. is on Trump and the Republicans? You're an idiot, Elmer! No other way to put it!

You are the idiot if you think fraud is the reason Trump's budget has one of the largest deficits in history.
Trump claims he has cut the majority of fraud. EDUCATE YOURSELF or you will be stupid your whole life.

During Trump’s current administration and the DOGE initiative led by Elon Musk, officials have claimed much larger amounts of “fraud, waste, and abuse” could be cut — sometimes approaching $1 trillion or more — but fact-checkers and budget experts have said many of those claims are exaggerated or unsupported by evidence so far