Only the most uninformed Americans feel undocumented workers are not of value to USA citizens

[Toddsterpatriot]

I have no idea, how many he reported. Here is what an internet search reports.
Barack Obama's administration deported over 3.1 million people during his eight years in office, while Donald Trump's administration deported approximately 1.2 million people during his first term. This shows that Obama deported significantly more individuals than Trump.

factchequeado.com elpasomatters.org

Over Obama’s two terms in office, 5.3 million immigrants in total were deported or repatriated from the U.S.

Donald Trump's deportation record compared to Barack Obama's

As protests continue over immigration enforcement operations, comparisons have been made with the "Deporter in Chief."

www.newsweek.com

What have you got?

Barack Obama's administration deported over 3.1 million people during his eight years in office

3.1 million? Almost 400,000 a year.

while Donald Trump's administration deported approximately 1.2 million people during his first term

About 300,000 a year. And over 600,000 last year.

 

[Hafar1014]

How many do you think Obama deported?

Obama counted an illegal caught at the border and turned around as being deported. This is not the same thing. This is a return. Never in the country

 

[Hafar1014]

Barack Obama's administration deported over 3.1 million people during his eight years in office

3.1 million? Almost 400,000 a year.

while Donald Trump's administration deported approximately 1.2 million people during his first term

About 300,000 a year. And over 600,000 last year.

Plus 1.2 million self deported

 

[ElmerMudd]

Some. As we pay Black street vermin to roam around committing crimes and breeding more.

Time for them to take those jobs. White drugged too.

You are disgusting. If you are trying to be funny, you are not. You are the vermin.

 

[ElmerMudd]

100% BS. They cost us over 100 billion a year, lower wgares increase rents and are in prison 5 times ore than citizens. They also destroy American culture. They steal money form welfare programs with the help of democrats.
SIce we deported 3 million wages went up rents went down and we had the lowest homicide rate in decades. They create misery for the families of their victims
Criminal acts—actions punishable by law—span violent offenses like murder, rape, and assault; property crimes such as theft, burglary, and arson; financial frauds; drug trafficking; cybercrime; and human trafficking. They range from local misdemeanors to serious federal offenses, including racketeering, terrorism, and corruption.
Here is a breakdown of common types of illegal crimes and offenses:

1. Violent Crimes
These involve force or threat of force against a person.

• Murder and Nonnegligent Manslaughter
• Forcible Rape and Sexual Assault
• Robbery (taking by force)
• Aggravated Assault and Battery
• Kidnapping
• Domestic Violence

2. Property Crimes
These involve theft or destruction of property without force against a person.

• Burglary (breaking and entering)
• Larceny-Theft and Shoplifting
• Motor Vehicle Theft
• Arson
• Vandalism/Destruction of Property

3. Financial & White-Collar Crimes
Non-violent crimes committed for financial gain.

• Fraud (credit card, bank, identity theft)
• Money Laundering
• Tax Evasion
• Counterfeiting
• Public Corruption

4. Drug & Organized Crimes

• Drug Possession, Trafficking, and Production
• Racketeering (RICO violations)
• Illegal Gambling Businesses

5. Cyber & Federal Crimes

• Computer Crimes and Internet Fraud
• Child Pornography Possession/Selling
• Espionage and Terrorism
• Immigration Offenses and Smuggling

Criminal Alien Statistics

Securing America's Borders

www.cbp.gov

Your summary above is true of a small percentage of illegals. Your link proves that. Typical MAGA bullshit of painting all of a group by what the worst of the worst do.
Thank you for providing a link telling actual number of illegals caugt with criminal records. In 2024 there were 17,000 illegals with a criminal record. There is an estimated 40 million illegals in the US.

This is not an argument on having secure borders. It is n argument to not treat all illegals as convicted felons.

 

[ElmerMudd]

/----/ democRATs latest excuse to keep their slave labor.

Moral Americans are saying illegals can be rounded up and deported in a much more humane way than the Trump gestapo tactics.
Who deporting of cheap labor will hurt the most are people living paycheck to paycheck.

 

[excalibur]

Their crime of being here is a federal misdemeanor by act of congress. I should not jaywalk or piss on the sidewalk downtown. You have done misdemeanors also, but nobody would dare send 3,000 masked, unmarked uniform storm trooper, in unmarked cars on violent raids, chasing you and me down.
Think of it like this. President Barrack Obama deported many more than Trump, something like 3 million to Trump's 1.2 million. Yet, no storm troopers, no large publicized multi thousand troop deployments to cities Democrat run nor Republican, and no major blowback from the public over brutal deportation tactics. No specifically sticking it to and city, or state due to how that state voted in the election. He as the president easily leading the largest numbers of deportations, never had a month with two Americans either executed or recklessly man slaughtered in a single month, but he was getting the aliens out, steadily.
Whether you like him or not, in general, Which way is better?

Obama changed the meaning of deport to include everyone turned back at the border.

And Trump is near 3 million with the self-deported added in, over a little more than one year as 47.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Illegals are a net negative to the country. Legal immigrants are a net plus.

define a legal immigrant

 

[excalibur]

Illegals are a net negative to the country. Legal immigrants are a net plus.

Those Somalis are legal, and a net negative.

Many legal immigrants from the third world are drainers of the Treasury.

 

[White 6]

Obama changed the meaning of deport to include everyone turned back at the border.

And Trump is near 3 million with the self-deported added in, over a little more than one year as 47.

So, you agree, he has had 5 full years but do not agree on the lower numbers of self deporters put out by DHS, right? On the 21s, they raised it from $1,000 to $1,600 as they were not getting enough takers.

 

[Rawley]

Only the most uninformed Americans feel undocumented workers are not of value to USA citizens​

So having borders is "uninformed?"

 

[excalibur]

So, you agree, he has had 5 full years but do not agree on the lower numbers of self deporters put out by DHS, right? On the 21s, they raised it from $1,000 to $1,600 as they were not getting enough takers.

Not counting as 45, as I clearly stated.

The total as 47 is ~3 million. We see that in many places where rents have come down, such as Los Angeles.

Thread 'CNBC reports the national median rent just fell for the fourth straight month.'

Dec 4, 2025

Nearly 3 million illegals gone, and look at this.

We all know that Biden's horde of 10+ million illegals was raising rents as well as many other prices.

MAGA!

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Thread '“L.A. rent prices drop to four-year low”'

Jan 30, 2026

Well, duh.

Removing illegals aliens, either through self-deportation or government deporting them.

Now, keep deporting, and freeze legal immigration.

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[Eman623]

define a legal immigrant

Green card holders and those with unexpired visas.

 

[Eman623]

Those Somalis are legal, and a net negative.

Many legal immigrants from the third world are drainers of the Treasury.

This is true. But taken as a whole, legal immigrants are a net positive.

My wife is a naturalized Chinese American. Her three brothers came over on F4 visas. All of them are working and raising kids and paying taxes. They are net contributors to the Treasury. That's how it's supposed to work.

 

[sparky]

This thread's entire premise is dildos.....~S~

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Moral Americans are saying illegals can be rounded up and deported in a much more humane way than the Trump gestapo tactics.
Who deporting of cheap labor will hurt the most are people living paycheck to paycheck.

Deporting millions of low wage illegals will help millions of low wage Americans.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Moral Americans are saying illegals can be rounded up and deported in a much more humane way than the Trump gestapo tactics.
Who deporting of cheap labor will hurt the most are people living paycheck to paycheck.

/—-/ We’re already paying illegals to self deport. The rest have to be hunted down and dragged away.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

100% BS. They cost us over 100 billion a year, lower wgares increase rents and are in prison 5 times ore than citizens. They also destroy American culture. They steal money form welfare programs with the help of democrats.
SIce we deported 3 million wages went up rents went down and we had the lowest homicide rate in decades. They create misery for the families of their victims
Criminal acts—actions punishable by law—span violent offenses like murder, rape, and assault; property crimes such as theft, burglary, and arson; financial frauds; drug trafficking; cybercrime; and human trafficking. They range from local misdemeanors to serious federal offenses, including racketeering, terrorism, and corruption.
Here is a breakdown of common types of illegal crimes and offenses:

1. Violent Crimes
These involve force or threat of force against a person.

• Murder and Nonnegligent Manslaughter
• Forcible Rape and Sexual Assault
• Robbery (taking by force)
• Aggravated Assault and Battery
• Kidnapping
• Domestic Violence

2. Property Crimes
These involve theft or destruction of property without force against a person.

• Burglary (breaking and entering)
• Larceny-Theft and Shoplifting
• Motor Vehicle Theft
• Arson
• Vandalism/Destruction of Property

3. Financial & White-Collar Crimes
Non-violent crimes committed for financial gain.

• Fraud (credit card, bank, identity theft)
• Money Laundering
• Tax Evasion
• Counterfeiting
• Public Corruption

4. Drug & Organized Crimes

• Drug Possession, Trafficking, and Production
• Racketeering (RICO violations)
• Illegal Gambling Businesses

5. Cyber & Federal Crimes

• Computer Crimes and Internet Fraud
• Child Pornography Possession/Selling
• Espionage and Terrorism
• Immigration Offenses and Smuggling

Criminal Alien Statistics

Securing America's Borders

www.cbp.gov

They have destroyed our educational system.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Deporting millions of low wage illegals will help millions of low wage Americans.

What should happen to USA citizens who take the jobs is they are paid more; a living wage. When that happens we all pay more.
Including all low wage earners.

But

1. Current data doesn’t show clear wage increases tied directly to deportations​

• Recent Federal Reserve research shows that real wage growth for low-wage workers slowed significantly in 2025, even as immigration rates changed. That means wages for the bottom 25% grew less than before — not more — over this period, indicating other economic forces (like weak labor demand and inflation) are more important than minor shifts in immigration status on wage trends.

Immigration can’t explain declining employment growth | Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis

Broadly slowing labor market is a major factor in falling jobs numbers

www.minneapolisfed.org

 

[ElmerMudd]

They have destroyed our educational system.

The least educated among us vote for Trump.
The worse our education system is, the better for Trump and MAGA.