How many Navy Seals have shootouts while breastfeeding a baby? This woman did, and she won...

[2aguy]

And the Department of Justice study puts defensive gun use at 1.5 million times a year.....according to bill clinton.

horseshit number that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Okay, one more time.

According to the FBI, you have only 200 cases of justifiable homicide where a gun is used by a civilian to kill a bad guy. Usually in Domestic Violence scenarios, not actual crimes.

So what you are to have us believe is that out of 1,500,000 cases where a gun nut whips out his Penis Compensation to feel like a real man, he manages to not shoot the bad guy in 1,400,800 of those.

In short, they stop short of fatal violence 99.997% of the time.

That's just not credible. People can't show that kind of restraint under stress.

And again with the lies......

you try to make a point by saying only 278 people were killed in defensive gun uses in 2014.....out of 1,500,000 defensive gun uses.....knowing that most cases of civilians using guns do not involve actually killing the criminal...who either runs away, gets capture or when shot is only injured...and as is shown by the numbers, only in rare cases is the thug stupid enough to push the confrontation to the point he has to be killed to stop his aggression.

I and others have show countless cases of normal people using guns repsonibly under incredible stress...even in the middle of mass shooting incidents...like the civilians in the Klackamas mall shooting and at the Gabby Giffords shooting, mass shooting events where the concealed carry did not fire because the situation was resolved without the need to shoot....

Face it moron...you hate people......

 

[JoeB131]

5) human history...and recent history of the countries of Europe that you site, and even Japan, show that governmnents cannot be trusted...Europe murdered 12 million innocent men, women and children...people who did nothing to provoke an attack let alone direct murder.....and Japan...those anti gun people you point to murdered well over 3 million unarmed civilians when they rampaged across Asia

Actually, they did do something to provoke the Holocaust.

They killed Jesus.

You got that, right?

you see, the problem wasn't "government" didn't kill 6 million Jews. Regular folks did. Regular folks who turned in their neighbors and signed up to work at the concentration camps. (or has it struck you that most of the Hall Monitors at Auschwitz we are arresting in senior communities now are not Germans, but other people).

The notion that guns would have changed that formula was kind of absurd.

 

[JoeB131]

British citizens weren't using guns to murder people before the confiscation of their guns.....our gun murder rates have always been higher....now...after the confiscation, their gun murder rate is going up, not down......

Our gun murder rate...is going down, not up and more Americans now own and actually carry guns...not less...

Okay, let's look at these claims. TOTAL murder rates.

First, the UK.

Guns in the United Kingdom — Firearms, gun law and gun control

2011/12: 653
2010/11: 765
2009/10: 712
2008/09: 765
2007/08: 879
2006/07: 856
2005/06: 832
2004/05: 958

Uh, so, no, their homicide rate is actually trending down, not up.

Now, the US.

2011: 16,238
2010: 16,259
2009: 16,799
2008: 17,826
2007: 18,361
2006: 18,573

So also trending down, but not by all that much, really. And STILL way too high.

 

[2aguy]

The truth...

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

And here is the FBI table 8……it is a great table because it goes back4 years to show the rates of decrease….

2014 table…..

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

From 2014…..and I added 2011……

2006

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

2006 fbi table 8

Murder by firearm….

2006-- 10,225
2007 10,129
2008-- 9,528
2009-- 9,199
2010- 8,874
2011-- 8,653
2012-- 8,897
2013-- 8,454
2014-- 8,124

 

[2aguy]

5) human history...and recent history of the countries of Europe that you site, and even Japan, show that governmnents cannot be trusted...Europe murdered 12 million innocent men, women and children...people who did nothing to provoke an attack let alone direct murder.....and Japan...those anti gun people you point to murdered well over 3 million unarmed civilians when they rampaged across Asia

Actually, they did do something to provoke the Holocaust.

They killed Jesus.

You got that, right?

you see, the problem wasn't "government" didn't kill 6 million Jews. Regular folks did. Regular folks who turned in their neighbors and signed up to work at the concentration camps. (or has it struck you that most of the Hall Monitors at Auschwitz we are arresting in senior communities now are not Germans, but other people).

The notion that guns would have changed that formula was kind of absurd.

No.....it isn't absurd....the Warsaw ghetto with 10 old pistols held off the Germans for 4 days.......50,000 rifle and pistol armed citizens with improvised bombs in house to house fighting......expanded to every country the Germans invaded...since the rest of Europe was also disarmed as well, would have ended German expansionism before it ever started...but no....morons like you joe disarmed the civilians long before the Germans started murdering people and they were helpless in the face of mass murder....

That is something we are trying to prevent going into the future....

 

[JoeB131]

You got your figures, which I've already said are bullshit. Why do you think repeating them gets you anywhere.

So let's review. Woman with a gun fails to kill bad guys, gets injured herself, puts her baby at risk.

Gun nuts think she's a hero.

 

[2aguy]

British citizens weren't using guns to murder people before the confiscation of their guns.....our gun murder rates have always been higher....now...after the confiscation, their gun murder rate is going up, not down......

Our gun murder rate...is going down, not up and more Americans now own and actually carry guns...not less...

Okay, let's look at these claims. TOTAL murder rates.

First, the UK.

Guns in the United Kingdom — Firearms, gun law and gun control

2011/12: 653
2010/11: 765
2009/10: 712
2008/09: 765
2007/08: 879
2006/07: 856
2005/06: 832
2004/05: 958

Uh, so, no, their homicide rate is actually trending down, not up.

Now, the US.

2011: 16,238
2010: 16,259
2009: 16,799
2008: 17,826
2007: 18,361
2006: 18,573

So also trending down, but not by all that much, really. And STILL way too high.

The British police are hiding their gun murder numbers......it is a major scandal in Britain....they have to lie because they confiscated their guns...and their gun murder rate is going up....

 

[2aguy]

Yes...a country that disarmed itself....has this problem....

Man killed in drive-by shooting

A man was shot dead after two assailants opened fire with automatic weapons from a van near a town centre, police said.
A second man suffered minor injuries after the apparent drive-by shooting in Brewery Road, Hoddesdon, Herts.
Both victims were white and the two suspects, also white, abandoned their van in the Lampits area of the town. Police said it was not believed the public were at further risk.
A Hertfordshire Police statement said: "It is believed the injuries were caused by automatic weapons."
A witness, who lives near the scene, told Sky News: "It's a kind of downhill slope. It looked like they came down the hill on the other side of the road, pulled up close, and opened up through the car.
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Three men injured in drive-by shooting

and a woman Jeweler murdered in her shop……with a gun…
Three men have been injured in a drive-by shooting. They were hit by shots fired from a blue or black Volvo-type car in Elm Park Road, Reading, Berkshire, on Friday night, Thames Valley Police said.
The incident follows the fatal shooting of a man in Hoddesdon, Hertfordshire, and the death of jeweller Marian Bates, who was shot at point blank range by robbers at her shop in Nottingham earlier this week.
Extra police are patrolling the streets of a picturesque market town after a 32-year-old man was shot dead in broad daylight in what detectives believe was a targeted attack.
The man was killed and another man injured after two gunmen pulled up in a van beside them in Hoddesdon, Hertfordshire and opened fire at 9.20am on Friday.
The injured man, from London, was not seriously hurt and was helping police with their inquiries.
The victim, who lived in Stevenage, would not be named until all next of kin had been informed, police said.
Hertfordshire's Assistant Chief Constable Jerry Alford said the suspects' van was later found burning in the Lampits area of the town, where the two men were then thought to have made off in a silver saloon car.
Mr Alford said it was not clear at this stage whether the victim and his companion were in a blue Peugeot car or about to get into it at the time of the shooting.
He said: "Clearly gun crime is here on the agenda but I can reassure the public that police forces nationally are redoubling their efforts to make sure the scourge of gun crime is eradicated from our streets."
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Pictured: Bystander mistakenly gunned down in drive-by shooting

A father murdered in a drive-by shooting may have been the victim of mistaken identity in a gangland feud, police said.

Erdogan Guzel, 42, was outside his bakery when his killer let loose with a machine gun.

A 51-year-old woman was also hit during the rush-hour attack in London and remains in a critical but stable condition. Scotland Yard said detectives believe the victims were not the attackers’ intended targets and were bystanders.
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While officers have not revealed a motive, they are likely to focus on the involvement of local gangs waging a ruthless territorial war.
The attack, which lasted only several seconds, was in broad daylight on Friday as Mr Guzel sat talking to a friend outside Bros Bakery in Wood Green, North London.
Mr Guzel, who moved to the UK from Turkey, is understood to have been a co-owner of the bakery. He lived in nearby Palmers Green with his 16-year-old son and 15-year-old daughter
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Drive-by shooting on London's Waterloo Bridge - BBC News

A gunman on the back of a motorbike shot a man in a suspected drive-by shooting on London's Waterloo Bridge.

Three men were arrested after a black Ford Focus was shot at, at about 20:00 GMT on Friday.


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Bouncer shot in drive-by shooting outside Newcastle nightclub

A bouncer has been shot in a drive by shooting outside a Newcastle nightclub.

A black-clack motorcycle rider was seen pulling up outside the city's Tup Tup Palace before opening fire at around 10.45pm last night.

It is thought the 24-year-old doorman was hit in the arm, and was seen walking with his black jacket over the wound and a blood soaked white shirt hanging from the waistband of his trousers, to an ambulance.

 

[JoeB131]

No.....it isn't absurd....the Warsaw ghetto with 10 old pistols held off the Germans for 4 days......

Uh, no, they really didn't.

Let's look at what really happened.

13000 People were killed in the Ghetto uprising, but they managed to kill only a whopping 19 Germans. The remaining 58,000 who managed to survive got shpped off to Auschwitz, where they got to explore exciting new career opportunities as lampshades and bars of soap.

If the government decides it wants to kill you, it's goign to kill you. And no one is going to feel bad about it until years later, if at all.

 

[JoeB131]

The British police are hiding their gun murder numbers......it is a major scandal in Britain....they have to lie because they confiscated their guns...and their gun murder rate is going up....

That's right. Any figures that don't back up your nuttiness are "lies".

Any numbers that back up your nuttiness, no matter how illogical, must be the truth.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes...a country that disarmed itself....has this problem....

SO it's better to be the US, where these sorts of things are so common they don't even make the news anymore?

 

[chikenwing]

Despite the miss guilded efforts by people like Joe B the second isn't going anywhere.

 

[2aguy]

And guns are easy to get...even for British rap singers.....and their thug friends...

So Solid Crew - man shot dead



One man was shot dead and a second wounded yesterday in another horrifying incident of gun violence involving fans of the notorious rap group So Solid Crew.

Panic broke out as shots were fired at a nightclub party promoting the debut single from their singer Lisa Maffia.
One clubber was shot in the shoulder and another man died when he was shot in a highspeed car chase after the attack.

The shootings came just days before the band are due to perform a concert in aid of the Government-sponsored Disarm! campaign, which is promoting a gun amnesty.

There have been several previous violent incidents involving members of the 30-strong So Solid Crew or their fans, and the band's lyrics have been attacked for glorifying guns.
They claim they are merely reflecting attitudes among young black people.
Police said the drama began at around 2.30am, when a group of six to eight black men forced their way into Turnmills nightclub in Clerkenwell, East London.
Several shots were fired and a 27-year-old man was hit in the shoulder.
There was panic among the 1,000-strong crowd and several people were hurt trying to escape.
A number of men were seen leaving and getting into two cars - a BMW and an Audi TT sports car - and there was a chase during which more shots were fired.
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In March last year, 19-year-old Ashley Walters - known as Asher D - was jailed for 18 months for having a loaded gun in his car. He served seven months.

Two more members, Jason Phillips and Shane Neil, both 24, are currently on remand in custody awaiting trial on a charge of possessing a gun and ammunition. They have denied the offence.

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Culture Minister Kim Howells branded them "idiots" in January following the driveby shootings of two teenage Birmingham girls.

But Miss Maffia said recently that the band had been made scapegoats for the growing use of firearms and other members have spoken out against guns.
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He isn't the only rapper shooting...

I just started looking up gun crime and rap music in Britain...here is another shooting we never heard about....

Rapper Sneakbo's close friend murdered in Brixton | The Voice Online


A MURDER investigation has launched following the fatal shooting of a 24-year-old man in Brixton, south London.

The young man, Ogarrao Dixon - affectionately known as ‘Gora’, is a recognised as a friend of UK recording artist Sneakbo.


Funny to read about a Gun Amnesty...in a country that has banned guns.......

The shootings came just days before the band are due to perform a concert in aid of the Government-sponsored Disarm! campaign, which is promoting a gun amnesty.

 

[Politico]

Wow, I think 2 a guy needs to start himself a GUn Porn Website.

But...I keep getting told that 1) these types of crimes never happen because the gun grabber I am debating at the time has never had it happen to them...

Frankly, there's no proof that this story is actually true. It kind of sound like gun nut murder porn.

Are you an idiot....well...don't answer that, your posts answer it for you......

Here is the actual news story...moron....

It was linked to in the first post....

Mother shot in home invasion fired back, husband says

So let's look at the ACTUAL story.

A member of the NATIONAL GUARD- a Well-regulated militia - was shot by a criminal who was able to get one of the 300 million guns that you gun nuts think anyone should be able to have despite their mental illness or criminal record.

Oh, yeah, and apparently, she was injured and they got away. So it really isn't the gun porn you guys like.

No that's one of the 300 million guns you can't grab. And no one want mentally ill people to have them Fixed it for ya.

 

[JoeB131]

Despite the miss guilded efforts by people like Joe B the second isn't going anywhere.

NO, it isn't.

But the bizarre interpretation that it allows crazy people a right to guns is.

 

[2aguy]

Yes...a country that disarmed itself....has this problem....

SO it's better to be the US, where these sorts of things are so common they don't even make the news anymore?

Considering that the violent crime rate against British citizens...stabbings and violent rape and robbery are higher in the U.K.....while our gun murder is generally confined to small, multi block areas of inner cities usually controlled by democrats and their voters......and our gun murder rate is going down, not up...

Yes....and we have the added benefit of not having had our government mass murder 12 million, unarmed people in modern times.....

Stay away from democrat controlled inner city neighborhoods and you are very safe in the U.S.

 

[chikenwing]

Despite the miss guilded efforts by people like Joe B the second isn't going anywhere.

NO, it isn't.

But the bizarre interpretation that it allows crazy people a right to guns is.

Lol

 

[JoeB131]

No that's one of the 300 million guns you can't grab. And no one want mentally ill people to have them Fixed it for ya.

of course someone wants the mentally ill to have them.

The Gun Industry does.

Because if you have crazy people out there with guns, people like 2A will piss themselves and want to arm themselves like the Zombies are Coming, too.

Let the families of the victims sue the gun industry, and I will bet you they won't be so keen on selling to crazy people anymore.

 

[JoeB131]

Considering that the violent crime rate against British citizens...stabbings and violent rape and robbery are higher in the U.K.....while our gun murder is generally confined to small, multi block areas of inner cities usually controlled by democrats and their voters......and our gun murder rate is going down, not up...

It's okay, it's just the Darkies killing each other.

Oh, yeah, and these people.

This is really why I want to see guns banned. Just to fuck over assholes like 2AGuy.

 

[chikenwing]

No that's one of the 300 million guns you can't grab. And no one want mentally ill people to have them Fixed it for ya.

of course someone wants the mentally ill to have them.

The Gun Industry does.

Because if you have crazy people out there with guns, people like 2A will piss themselves and want to arm themselves like the Zombies are Coming, too.

Let the families of the victims sue the gun industry, and I will bet you they won't be so keen on selling to crazy people anymore.

Don't forget cars, and hammer manufacturers!