How many Navy Seals have shootouts while breastfeeding a baby? This woman did, and she won...

[2aguy]

My daughter-in-law's stepfather was the victim of a home invasion. Teenage kid with a sawed-off shotgun blew two fingers off his right hand and shot him in the shoulder, nearly killing him.

Do you think if he had been armed, the incident would have turned out the way it did?

We have 32,000 gun related deaths a year. - Roughly 19,500 suicides, 11,000 homicides and 500 accidents.

of those, only 200 are classified as "Justifiable homicides" by civilians shooting criminals or attackers.

While I feel bad your your friend and all, the fact is, the butcher's bill on your fetish is much too high.

Especially since other countries that limit or outlaw gun ownership have nowhere near our level of carnage.

So let's hear your plan for getting the guns out of the hands of criminals instead of taking them from law-abiding gun owners. Isn't that the part that you gun-grabbers always forget?

He doesn't care if criminals have guns...he hates the normal people who want guns for sport, self defense and collecting....

 

[JoeB131]

No joe...the CDC is filled with anti gun activists....if any numbers on guns are crap they would be the CDC...

Well, it would be nice if the CDC was actually allowed to document gun numbers, but the last time they did that, they proved a gun in the house was far more dangerous to the people living in the house than the bad guys... which is totally not what the gun industry wants to hear.

So let's hear your plan for getting the guns out of the hands of criminals instead of taking them from law-abiding gun owners. Isn't that the part that you gun-grabbers always forget?

If law abiding citizens can't get guns, crooks can't get them, either.

Which is what they've ALREADY FIGURED OUT in the UK, Canada, Germany, Japan, Italy, France and Australia.

You see, most gun deaths aren't caused by criminals. Most gun deaths are suicides, accidents, and domestic violence. Not that you gun nuts care about that, you just want to compensate for your tiny peckers.

 

[JoeB131]

He doesn't care if criminals have guns...he hates the normal people who want guns for sport, self defense and collecting....

no, i hate that you "normal people" create 33,000 gun deaths and 70,000 gun injuries compensating for your tiny peckers.

Meanwhile, you play right into the hands of the gun lobby, who are more than happy to profit off the misery you cause.

 

[2aguy]

No joe...the CDC is filled with anti gun activists....if any numbers on guns are crap they would be the CDC...

Well, it would be nice if the CDC was actually allowed to document gun numbers, but the last time they did that, they proved a gun in the house was far more dangerous to the people living in the house than the bad guys... which is totally not what the gun industry wants to hear.

So let's hear your plan for getting the guns out of the hands of criminals instead of taking them from law-abiding gun owners. Isn't that the part that you gun-grabbers always forget?

If law abiding citizens can't get guns, crooks can't get them, either.

Which is what they've ALREADY FIGURED OUT in the UK, Canada, Germany, Japan, Italy, France and Australia.

You see, most gun deaths aren't caused by criminals. Most gun deaths are suicides, accidents, and domestic violence. Not that you gun nuts care about that, you just want to compensate for your tiny peckers.

You are wrong....the CDC used their power to lie about guns...including about guns in the home....

In the UK, Germany, Japan, Italy, France and Australia, the only people who easily get guns are criminals...as my post on drive by shootings in the UK showed as well as my posts on how easy it is to get fully automatic weapons in Europe and Australia......they even get guns in Japan......

Almost all gun deaths are done by criminals and almost all gun murder victims are fellow criminals....I have posted the information on this numerous times....

 

[2aguy]

No joe...the CDC is filled with anti gun activists....if any numbers on guns are crap they would be the CDC...

Well, it would be nice if the CDC was actually allowed to document gun numbers, but the last time they did that, they proved a gun in the house was far more dangerous to the people living in the house than the bad guys... which is totally not what the gun industry wants to hear.

So let's hear your plan for getting the guns out of the hands of criminals instead of taking them from law-abiding gun owners. Isn't that the part that you gun-grabbers always forget?

If law abiding citizens can't get guns, crooks can't get them, either.

Which is what they've ALREADY FIGURED OUT in the UK, Canada, Germany, Japan, Italy, France and Australia.

You see, most gun deaths aren't caused by criminals. Most gun deaths are suicides, accidents, and domestic violence. Not that you gun nuts care about that, you just want to compensate for your tiny peckers.

Suicides that use guns do not count....as we keep telling you....Japan, china and South Korea have absolute gun control...and they have 2 times the suicide rates that we do........

Poland, Hungary and Russia have extreme gun control...and higher rates of suicide than we do....

Number of gun accidental deaths in 2013 according to the CDC.....505....in a country of over 320 million people, with over 320 million guns in private hands with over 13 million people carrying guns for self defense....

505 accidental gun deaths...with over 13 million civilians carrying guns for self defense....not a problem...cars are a bigger threat to your life and your family than guns are.

Domestic violence is not a normal person problem.....domestic violence is committed by abnormal people with abnormal problems...the gun is not the focal point...drugs, alcohol, and a long history of violence and a criminal background determine domestic violence, not gun ownership.

A gun in a normal home is not going to be used to off the wife because she was late making dinner......

you anti gun extremists hate people...you attribute the abnormal behavior of the criminal element to all people instead of seeing the reality.....your brains don't process the truth, facts or reality....they just churn out emotional reactions to fantasies...

 

[2aguy]

He doesn't care if criminals have guns...he hates the normal people who want guns for sport, self defense and collecting....

no, i hate that you "normal people" create 33,000 gun deaths and 70,000 gun injuries compensating for your tiny peckers.

Meanwhile, you play right into the hands of the gun lobby, who are more than happy to profit off the misery you cause.

Again...since you fail to understand the truth...

Public Health Pot Shots

this article goes at kellerman extensively and his crap research.....and here is some work on who actually kills people...


These and other studies funded by the CDC focus on the presence or absence of guns, rather than the characteristics of the people who use them. Indeed, the CDC's Rosenberg claims in the journalEducational Horizons that murderers are "ourselves--ordinary citizens, professionals, even health care workers": people who kill only because a gun happens to be available. Yet if there is one fact that has been incontestably established by homicide studies, it's that murderers are not ordinary gun owners but extreme aberrants whose life histories include drug abuse, serious accidents, felonies, and irrational violence.



Unlike "ourselves," roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have significant criminal records, averaging an adult criminal career of six or more years with four major felonies.

Access to juvenile records would almost certainly show that the criminal careers of murderers stretch back into their adolescence.

In Murder in America (1994), the criminologists Ronald W. Holmes and Stephen T. Holmes report that murderers generally "have histories of committing personal violence in childhood, against other children, siblings, and small animals." Murderers who don't have criminal records usually have histories of psychiatric treatment or domestic violence that did not lead to arrest.

Contrary to the impression fostered by Rosenberg and other opponents of gun ownership, the term "acquaintance homicide" does not mean killings that stem from ordinary family or neighborhood arguments.


Typical acquaintance homicides include: an abusive man eventually killing a woman he has repeatedly assaulted; a drug user killing a dealer (or vice versa) in a robbery attempt; and gang members, drug dealers, and other criminals killing each other for reasons of economic rivalry or personal pique.



According to a 1993 article in the Journal of Trauma, 80 percent of murders in Washington, D.C., are related to the drug trade, while "84% of [Philadelphia murder] victims in 1990 had antemortem drug use or criminal history."

A 1994 article in The New England Journal of Medicinereported that 71 percent of Los Angeles children and adolescents injured in drive-by shootings "were documented members of violent street gangs."

And University of North Carolina-Charlotte criminal justice scholars Richard Lumb and Paul C. Friday report that 71 percent of adult gunshot wound victims in Charlotte have criminal records.

 

[2aguy]

From the link in post #46 on the CDC and suicide research and guns.........

Although press reports about gun research commonly treat correlation and causation as one and the same, this association does not prove that having a gun in the house raises the risk of suicide. We can imagine alternative explanations: Perhaps gun ownership in this sample was associated with personality traits that were, in turn, related to suicide, or perhaps people who had contemplated suicide bought a gun for that reason. To put the association in perspective, it's worth noting that living alone and using illicit drugs were both better predictors of suicide than gun ownership was. That does not necessarily mean that living alone or using illegal drugs leads to suicide.

Furthermore, Kellermann and his colleagues selected their sample with an eye toward increasing the apparent role of gun ownership in suicide. They started by looking at all suicides that occurred during a 32-month period in King County, Washington, and Shelby County, Tennessee, but they excluded cases that occurred outside the home--nearly a third of the original sample. "Our study was restricted to suicides occurring in the victim's home," they explained with admirable frankness, "because a previous study has indicated that most suicides committed with guns occur there."

Kellermann also participated in CDC-funded research that simplistically compared homicide rates in Seattle and Vancouver, attributing the difference to Canada's stricter gun laws. This study, published in The New England Journal of Medicine in 1988, ignored important demographic differences between the two cities that help explain the much higher incidence of violence in Seattle. Furthermore, the researchers were aware of nationwide research that came to strikingly different conclusions about Canadian gun control, but they failed to inform their readers about that evidence.

Two years later in the same journal, the same research team compared suicide rates in Seattle and Vancouver. Unfazed by the fact that Seattle had a lower suicide rate, they emphasized that the rate was higher for one subgroup, adolescents and young men--a difference they attributed to lax American gun laws. Gary Mauser, a criminologist at Simon Fraser University, called the Seattle/Vancouver comparisons "a particularly egregious example" of "an abuse of scholarship, inventing, selecting, or misinterpreting data in order to validate a priori conclusions."

 

[2aguy]

And this is why you can't trust the CDC....they are biased against guns and lie.....

As the English gun control analyst Colin Greenwood has noted, in any society there are always enough guns available, legally or illegally, to arm the violent. The true determinant of violence is the number of violent people, not the availability of a particular weapon. Guns contribute to murder in the trivial sense that they help violent people kill. But owning guns does not turn responsible, law-abiding people into killers. If the general availability of guns were as important a factor in violence as the CDC implies, the vast increase in firearm ownership during the past two decades should have led to a vast increase in homicide.

The CDC suggested just that in a 1989 report to Congress, where it asserted that "ince the early 1970s the year-to-year fluctuations in firearm availability has [sic] paralleled the numbers of homicides."

But this correlation was a fabrication: While the number of handguns rose 69 percent from 1974 to 1988, handgun murders actually dropped by 27 percent.

Moreover, as U.S. handgun ownership more than doubled from the early 1970s through the 1990s, homicides held constant or declined for every major population group except young urban black men.

 

[JoeB131]

In the UK, Germany, Japan, Italy, France and Australia, the only people who easily get guns are criminals...as my post on drive by shootings in the UK showed as well as my posts on how easy it is to get fully automatic weapons in Europe and Australia......they even get guns in Japan......

Guy, I can live with 100 murders a year if they are all committed by criminals who managed to slip by and somehow get a gun. That's still a problem, but it's a MANAGEABLE problem.

What isn't acceptable is 11,000 (yes, 11,000) murders a year because guns are lying all over the place ready to be picked up during any argument over who drank the last can of Milwaukee's best.

Gun violence costs this country $229,000,000,000 a year.

Imagine how many dressage horses your rich masters could buy if we saved that kind of money.

 

[2aguy]

And on accidental gun deaths...the CDC let's their anti gun bias get in the way of those numbers as well...

While the CDC shows a selective interest in homicide trends, it tends to ignore trends in accidental gun deaths--with good reason. In the 25 years from 1968 to 1992, American gun ownership increased almost 135 percent (from 97 million to 222 million), with handgun ownership rising more than 300 percent. These huge increases coincided with a two-thirdsdecline in accidental gun fatalities.

 

[JoeB131]

And this is why you can't trust the CDC....they are biased against guns and lie.....

As the English gun control analyst Colin Greenwood has noted, in any society there are always enough guns available, legally or illegally, to arm the violent.

United Kingdom - 48 gun homicides a year.

United States - 11,500 gun homicides a year.

Colin needs to learn to live with his tiny dick.

 

[2aguy]

In the UK, Germany, Japan, Italy, France and Australia, the only people who easily get guns are criminals...as my post on drive by shootings in the UK showed as well as my posts on how easy it is to get fully automatic weapons in Europe and Australia......they even get guns in Japan......

Guy, I can live with 100 murders a year if they are all committed by criminals who managed to slip by and somehow get a gun. That's still a problem, but it's a MANAGEABLE problem.

What isn't acceptable is 11,000 (yes, 11,000) murders a year because guns are lying all over the place ready to be picked up during any argument over who drank the last can of Milwaukee's best.

Gun violence costs this country $229,000,000,000 a year.

Imagine how many dressage horses your rich masters could buy if we saved that kind of money.

Sorry...the FBI puts gun murders at 8,124 in 2014.....and even if the CDC didn't lie about gun numbers gun murder is committed by career criminals against other criminals in democrat controlled inner cities....

320 million guns in private hands.....normal people who own guns who don't use them to commit murder...

And as more Americans own and actually carry guns...our gun murder rate has gone down, not up......and we are seeing an increase in gun crime in Europe and Australia.....places that confiscated guns and have extreme gun control laws that disarm normal people but do nothing to stop criminals from getting guns.

 

[JoeB131]

So let's sum up 2aGuy's weak ass arguments.

1) Gun murders aren't as bad as we all think they are if you cherry pick figures.
2) It's okay to ignore suicides because fuck those guys.
3) It's mostly darkies killing each other, so that makes it okay.
4) No one is going to make him face the fact he has a really, really tiny dick.
5) We needs our guns to fights the government whose figures he accepts without question, because a guy in a tank is really, really going to be scared by his pistol.

 

[JoeB131]

Sorry...the FBI puts gun murders at 8,124 in 2014

So what? The FBI also puts Defensive GUn uses at 47,000, but you'll still claim it's 1.5 million.

 

[2aguy]

And this is why you can't trust the CDC....they are biased against guns and lie.....

As the English gun control analyst Colin Greenwood has noted, in any society there are always enough guns available, legally or illegally, to arm the violent.

United Kingdom - 48 gun homicides a year.

United States - 11,500 gun homicides a year.

Colin needs to learn to live with his tiny dick.

Gun crime is going up in Britain.......they had less gun deaths before they confiscated their guns.....and now they are beginning to see a rise in gun murder.....

We on the other hand have seen a huge decrease in gun murder.....only 8,124 gun murders in 2014.....mostly by criminals murdering other criminals.

 

[2aguy]

Sorry...the FBI puts gun murders at 8,124 in 2014

So what? The FBI also puts Defensive GUn uses at 47,000, but you'll still claim it's 1.5 million.

And the Department of Justice study puts defensive gun use at 1.5 million times a year.....according to bill clinton.

 

[JoeB131]

Gun crime is going up in Britain.......they had less gun deaths before they confiscated their guns.....and now they are beginning to see a rise in gun murder.....

We on the other hand have seen a huge decrease in gun murder.....only 8,124 gun murders in 2014.....mostly by criminals murdering other criminals.

Here are the figures on Gun Homicides in the UK.

2011: 38
2010: 33
2009: 26
2008: 40
2007: 15
2006: 61

Guns in the United Kingdom — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Here are the figures for gun homicides in the US in the same period.

2011: 11,068
2010: 11,078
2009: 11,493
2008: 12,179
2007: 12,632
2006: 12,791

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

But you needs your guns to compensates for your tiny dick. And the mean old Government is going to get you.

 

[2aguy]

So let's sum up 2aGuy's weak ass arguments.

1) Gun murders aren't as bad as we all think they are if you cherry pick figures.
2) It's okay to ignore suicides because fuck those guys.
3) It's mostly darkies killing each other, so that makes it okay.
4) No one is going to make him face the fact he has a really, really tiny dick.
5) We needs our guns to fights the government whose figures he accepts without question, because a guy in a tank is really, really going to be scared by his pistol.

1) not cherry picking, siting actual FBI homicide data...
2) suicides can be done with other means...like they are in Japan, China and South Korea where they do not have access to guns but commit suicide at 2x our rate...which means guns are not the driver of suicide....
3) you are the racist here joe.....
4) and typical anti gun extremist with a sexual hang up about guns and genitals
5) human history...and recent history of the countries of Europe that you site, and even Japan, show that governmnents cannot be trusted...Europe murdered 12 million innocent men, women and children...people who did nothing to provoke an attack let alone direct murder.....and Japan...those anti gun people you point to murdered well over 3 million unarmed civilians when they rampaged across Asia

And history has shown....unarmed people are victims of genocide, mass murder and ethnic cleansing.....all peoples murdered by their governments had 0 guns to defend themselves..that is the one thing they all had in common.

And since we are leaving Iraq and Afganistan after backward ass terrorists with poorly supplied arms have driven us out...with our tanks...and jets and satellites...yes......millions of people armed with rifles, pistols and improvised bombs would be more than enough to deter governemnt violence.

 

[JoeB131]

And the Department of Justice study puts defensive gun use at 1.5 million times a year.....according to bill clinton.

horseshit number that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Okay, one more time.

According to the FBI, you have only 200 cases of justifiable homicide where a gun is used by a civilian to kill a bad guy. Usually in Domestic Violence scenarios, not actual crimes.

So what you are to have us believe is that out of 1,500,000 cases where a gun nut whips out his Penis Compensation to feel like a real man, he manages to not shoot the bad guy in 1,400,800 of those.

In short, they stop short of fatal violence 99.997% of the time.

That's just not credible. People can't show that kind of restraint under stress.

 

[2aguy]

Gun crime is going up in Britain.......they had less gun deaths before they confiscated their guns.....and now they are beginning to see a rise in gun murder.....

We on the other hand have seen a huge decrease in gun murder.....only 8,124 gun murders in 2014.....mostly by criminals murdering other criminals.

Here are the figures on Gun Homicides in the UK.

2011: 38
2010: 33
2009: 26
2008: 40
2007: 15
2006: 61

Guns in the United Kingdom — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Here are the figures for gun homicides in the US in the same period.

2011: 11,068
2010: 11,078
2009: 11,493
2008: 12,179
2007: 12,632
2006: 12,791

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

But you needs your guns to compensates for your tiny dick. And the mean old Government is going to get you.

British citizens weren't using guns to murder people before the confiscation of their guns.....our gun murder rates have always been higher....now...after the confiscation, their gun murder rate is going up, not down......

Our gun murder rate...is going down, not up and more Americans now own and actually carry guns...not less...