How did it all begin, this animosity towards Russia and communism in general?

[Orangecat]

At the beginning of the war they were. They invaded Poland together. Russia was providing coal and other war material to Germany prior to Operation Barbarossa.

And then what happened? This all started because nitwit claimed that Nazis supported communists.
Yes, the case can be made that the two had an agreement in the beginning of the war, but they were adversaries far longer than they weren’t.
History does not consider Russia and Nazi Germany as WWII allies.

 

[westwall]

And then what happened? This all started because nitwit claimed that Nazis supported communists.
Yes, the case can be made that the two had an agreement in the beginning of the war, but they were adversaries far longer than they weren’t.
History does not consider Russia and Nazi Germany as WWII allies.

Nazis and communists are two peas in a pod. They are so close in ideology as to be practically the same. The primary difference is fascism allows private property.

Early on the nazi hierarchy declared that the communists were their natural allies.

 

[Orangecat]

Nazis and communists are two peas in a pod. They are so close in ideology as to be practically the same. The primary difference is fascism allows private property.

Early on the nazi hierarchy declared that the communists were their natural allies.

I’m a fan of neither.

 

[westwall]

I’m a fan of neither.

No intelligent person is.

 

[Mushroom]

Are you contending that the Nazis and Russians were allies in WWII? You do know how the conflict ended, right? What, do you not know anything of history?

Wow, repeating an incorrect statement does not make it correct.

 

[Orangecat]

Wow, repeating an incorrect statement does not make it correct.

Go back to where this started to see how silly it is. Let it go.

 

[Mushroom]

When he took power, the first thing he did was restore the church.

Your timeline is off. That started way back in 1941 by Stalin as a way to gain support after the Germans attacked the Soviet Union. And it cycled for the next several decades, as Khrushchev closed many churches, then under Glasnost this was reversed in the 1980s. The State even started to allow broadcast of church services on the TV and radio for the first time ever in 1988.

And considering Putin has been in control of the nation since 1999, that is not saying much. And it is believed that Putin is largely behind the current schism between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church because the latter has recognized the Orthodox Church of Ukraine. Much as it was during the era of Stalin, the Russian Orthodox Church is still in many ways just another arm of the government.

And the Russian Orthodox Church has broken with any organization that recognizes the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. Including the Greek Orthodox Church, the Patriarch of Alexandria and Africa, the Archbishop of Cyprus, and most other Orthodox churches have since had their official communications with the ROC severed over this matter. Putin did not "restore the church", he made it once again another area he controls.

 

[Mushroom]

At the beginning of the war they were. They invaded Poland together. Russia was providing coal and other war material to Germany prior to Operation Barbarossa.

Even allowing Germany to run illegal arms design groups in the Soviet Union to circumvent treaty mandates forbidding Germany from designing or making anything other than small arms.

The first two Panzer models were designed in the Soviet Union at the Kama Tank School.

 

[Mushroom]

They are so close in ideology as to be practically the same.

To differentiate, I tend to use the term "International Socialists" and "National Socialists".

95% of their beliefs are the same, and not unsurprising as the founder of National Socialism was himself an excommunicated Communist leader. Something most Marxists absolutely refuse to admit to.

 

[the watcher]

Communism is pure evil. Putin regardless of pretense is still a communist and you people love him.

Evil comes in many forms and is by it's nature deceptive. It's not so much a matter of how evil is Russia or another country, it is an honest evaluation of our own behavior that should concern us.

 

[westwall]

To differentiate, I tend to use the term "International Socialists" and "National Socialists".

95% of their beliefs are the same, and not unsurprising as the founder of National Socialism was himself an excommunicated Communist leader. Something most Marxists absolutely refuse to admit to.

All part of the Fabian socialists propaganda campaign.

 

[gipper]

Evil comes in many forms and is by its nature deceptive. It's not so much a matter of how evil is Russia or another country, it is an honest evaluation of our own behavior that should concern us.

Many Americans are trained by media propaganda to believe their nation is above criticism. The indispensable nation. They believe it.

They are also trained to believe other nations have evil intentions and we must stop them. This has resulted in a huge militarization of the country at enormous financial cost and lost liberty. But the big corporations and billionaires are happy.

 

[Deadstick]

Are you contending that the Nazis and Russians were allies in WWII?

That's the bullshit they propagate they have been trying to rewrite history for a long time.

 

[Deadstick]

At the beginning of the war they were. They invaded Poland together. Russia was providing coal and other war material to Germany prior to Operation Barbarossa.

You need to look closer to home including the Ford Company.

And then what happened? This all started because nitwit claimed that Nazis supported communists.
Yes, the case can be made that the two had an agreement in the beginning of the war, but they were adversaries far longer than they weren’t.
History does not consider Russia and Nazi Germany as WWII allies.

They had a anti aggression pact, one reason was the West refused to have a anti Nazi pact with the soviet Union to keep the Nazis under control, if the Soviets had not signed up to the Molotov deal three million Axis forces would have been on the Russian border before they were.

 

[sealybobo]

I retired from Banking at 65. Started my own little Biz, COVID wrecked that. But I was 70 at the time and really well set financially.

She would love to start a little biz. In fact, she's our condo president and I think she has deals with the snow company, lawn company, companies that our doorwalls and new heating units in. She refers us to who we should buy from. She says she gets good deals.

Here's why I think she gets kickbacks. She pushed way too hard for me to get new windows and a doorwall. She went on and on about how much I'm going to save with new windows. LOL. I'm a salesperson. She was trying to sell me. I can tell.

She also has complained that she has saved people thousands of dollars "helping" them sell their condos. And "can you believe they didn't give me a kickback?" That's when I said to her "sorry but you're not a real estate agent. I wouldn't give you anything either."

She expected them to give her $1000 because she saved them $10K. Fuck that. No one is going to give you $1000. Especially when they purchased a bigger place and now they have a 30 year mortgage and are house broke.

She's definitely hustling.

I have a friend who's in his 50's and still lives with his parents. It's actually 2 homes connected, but basically same thing. He's never had to pay a bill in his life. This guy thinks he's the smartest guy in the room but really he's an idiot. Just doesn't know it. The other day I heard about how much eggs are. About 2 years ago they got rid of all their chickens. LOL. And about 1 year before pot became legal in Michigan, he started growing marijuana. Talk about having terrible timing. No one wants his shit weed. And the price has come way down. And everyone wants his eggs, but he aint got none no more.

 

[AZrailwhale]

And then what happened? This all started because nitwit claimed that Nazis supported communists.
Yes, the case can be made that the two had an agreement in the beginning of the war, but they were adversaries far longer than they weren’t.
History does not consider Russia and Nazi Germany as WWII allies.

They were adversaries from 1941 to 1945; they were allies from the early thirties to 1941, double the time.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Many Americans are trained by media propaganda to believe their nation is above criticism. The indispensable nation. They believe it.

They are also trained to believe other nations have evil intentions and we must stop them. This has resulted in a huge militarization of the country at enormous financial cost and lost liberty. But the big corporations and billionaires are happy.

The USA has many faults, but it is the most benevolent and least destructive superpower in history.

 

[San Souci]

She would love to start a little biz. In fact, she's our condo president and I think she has deals with the snow company, lawn company, companies that our doorwalls and new heating units in. She refers us to who we should buy from. She says she gets good deals.

Here's why I think she gets kickbacks. She pushed way too hard for me to get new windows and a doorwall. She went on and on about how much I'm going to save with new windows. LOL. I'm a salesperson. She was trying to sell me. I can tell.

She also has complained that she has saved people thousands of dollars "helping" them sell their condos. And "can you believe they didn't give me a kickback?" That's when I said to her "sorry but you're not a real estate agent. I wouldn't give you anything either."

She expected them to give her $1000 because she saved them $10K. Fuck that. No one is going to give you $1000. Especially when they purchased a bigger place and now they have a 30 year mortgage and are house broke.

She's definitely hustling.

I have a friend who's in his 50's and still lives with his parents. It's actually 2 homes connected, but basically same thing. He's never had to pay a bill in his life. This guy thinks he's the smartest guy in the room but really he's an idiot. Just doesn't know it. The other day I heard about how much eggs are. About 2 years ago they got rid of all their chickens. LOL. And about 1 year before pot became legal in Michigan, he started growing marijuana. Talk about having terrible timing. No one wants his shit weed. And the price has come way down. And everyone wants his eggs, but he aint got none no more.

Sounds familiar. Friend of mine lived with his Parents till they died. He was 56. Inherited the $400,000 House. No Mortgage. So he got an equity-Line from his Bank. Spent about $200,000 trying to play the Big shot to a young woman. Also ,took a "Cold Call" about an opportunity. Invested another $200,000. Turned out to be phony. Result? Lost the Family Home.

 

[Orangecat]

They were adversaries from 1941 to 1945; they were allies from the early thirties to 1941, double the time.

And WWII was from 39-45.
We’re discussing WWII.
No one thinks Russia and Germany were allies in WWII. That’s just silly online gotcha trolls who feel the need to dispute 2+2=4.

 

[AZrailwhale]

And WWII was from 39-45.
We’re discussing WWII.

Wrong we are discussing where the animosity towards Russia came from.