How did it all begin, this animosity towards Russia and communism in general?

[GMCGeneral]

Cuba , Columbia etc.

I said it before, and I will say it again and again and again until the day I fling down the curtain and join the choir invisible. We should have heeded Patton and gone after the Soviets either by conventional invasion or (preferably) a couple of nuclear gravity bombs targeting Moscow and Leningrad. Sen. Joe McCarthy was absolutely correct about Communists infiltrating the US. Had those two cities in the USSR been reduced to rubble, I believe the spread of Communism might have been thwarted.

 

[Litwin]

We should have heeded Patton and gone after the Soviets either by conventional invasion or (preferably) a couple of nuclear gravity bombs targeting Moscow and Leningrad.

EXACTLY !!

THE ONLY WAY TO GO :

 

[ThirdTerm]

It all started with Kennan's Long Telegram (1946) that formed the basis of American foreign policy towards the Soviet Union for the next 25 years. Kennan was a Soviet expert who didn't hate Russians. But we still cannot fully trust those who had been behind the Iron Curtain. The Long Telegram was strong in its anti-communism, outlining a basic theory of containment.

861.00/2 - 2246: Telegram The Charge in the Soviet Union (Kennan) to the Secretary of State SECRET Moscow, February 22, 1946--9 p.m. [Received February 22--3: 52 p.m.] 511. Answer to Dept's 284, Feb 3 [13] involves questions so intricate, so delicate, so strange to our form of thought, and so important to analysis of our international environment that I cannot compress answers into single brief message without yielding to what I feel would be dangerous degree of over-simplification. I hope, therefore, Dept will bear with me if I submit in answer to this question five parts, subjects of which will be roughly as follows: (1) Basic features of post-war Soviet outlook. (2) Background of this outlook (3) Its projection in practical policy on official level. (4) Its projection on unofficial level. (5) Practical deductions from standpoint of US policy. I apologize in advance for this burdening of telegraphic channel; but questions involved are of such urgent importance, particularly in view of recent events, that our answers to them, if they deserve attention at all, seem to me to deserve it at once.

George Kennan's "Long Telegram"

 

[Mushroom]

With a memorandum, written by a collaboration of newly minted "security" specialists and corporate spokesmen.

Actually, there is no "Animosity" towards Russia, only towards their behavior. And as long as they continue to behave like thugs, that animosity will continue.

As far as Communism, that animosity in the US really gained traction in the Anarchist Bombings of 1914-1927. One thing about the US, when political groups do things like bombing campaigns, that tends to turn the population strongly against them, their movement, and anything associated with it. And as the bombings started actually predate the forming of the Soviet Union, that did not make the US well disposed towards them to begin with.

 

[Deadstick]

It started as soon as WW2 was over, the war pigs in the West including Churchill needed a new enemy so they went from Uncle Joe to Stalin the Barbarian, same as when the Soviet Union went they needed a new enemy which is Russia.

 

[whitehall]

Russia was an ally of the U.S. during WW2. FDR referred to Stalin as "Uncle Joe". Truman's Secretary of State disarmed the loyalist Chinese and paved the way for Mao's revolution. Democrats created HUAC and Hollywood blacklisted it's own fearing the loss of revenue. When it all went bad, the media and democrats and Hollywood blamed the whole thing on an obscure republican senator. Meanwhile the CIA was relatively clueless about every important event including the Communist revolution, the Korean invasion, the Berlin Wall and especially 9-11.

 

[marvin martian]

^^ LMAO

There we have it folks. Communism isn’t responsible for all the people they murdered under their own various regimes. The gulags, the killing fields, the intentional starvation. And to top it off Orange Man is actually worse.

That's the DemoKKKrat party circa 2024 in a nutshell.

 

[Litwin]

It all started with Kennan's Long Telegram (1946) that formed the basis of American foreign policy towards the Soviet Union for the next 25 years. Kennan was a Soviet expert who didn't hate Russians. But we still cannot fully trust those who had been behind the Iron Curtain. The Long Telegram was strong in its anti-communism, outlining a basic theory of containment.

861.00/2 - 2246: Telegram The Charge in the Soviet Union (Kennan) to the Secretary of State SECRET Moscow, February 22, 1946--9 p.m. [Received February 22--3: 52 p.m.] 511. Answer to Dept's 284, Feb 3 [13] involves questions so intricate, so delicate, so strange to our form of thought, and so important to analysis of our international environment that I cannot compress answers into single brief message without yielding to what I feel would be dangerous degree of over-simplification. I hope, therefore, Dept will bear with me if I submit in answer to this question five parts, subjects of which will be roughly as follows: (1) Basic features of post-war Soviet outlook. (2) Background of this outlook (3) Its projection in practical policy on official level. (4) Its projection on unofficial level. (5) Practical deductions from standpoint of US policy. I apologize in advance for this burdening of telegraphic channel; but questions involved are of such urgent importance, particularly in view of recent events, that our answers to them, if they deserve attention at all, seem to me to deserve it at once.

George Kennan's "Long Telegram"

WE FREE world, has always hated your mongol horde . google " big game"

 

[Litwin]

It started as soon as WW2 was over, the war pigs in the West including Churchill needed a new enemy so they went from Uncle Joe to Stalin the Barbarian, same as when the Soviet Union went they needed a new enemy which is Russia.

google big game Kremlin ´s whore. We hated always your horde

 

[Litwin]

Mao's

do you know that Mao has always hate Moscow imperialism ?

 

[whitehall]

Harry Truman was way out of his league when he woke up one morning in April 1945 and found himself president of the United States. Being the only president lacking a college education, he was more at home in a small town haberdashery store than the leader of the free world. Under his leadership the democrat majority in Congress established HUAC to fight the growing communist menace in American society. At the same time his Secy/State George Marshall, a former Army General who had little or no experience in foreign policy, decided to take sides in a revolution in China, disarmed the nationalists and pushed Mao into the leadership in spite of all that Chinese loyalists did for America during WW2. Being democrats, Truman and Marshall could always count on media support so when the war on communism became unpopular it was easy for the media to blame the era an obscure republican senator who didn't even chair a committee.

 

[sealybobo]

No. US is a fine country. all US haters can leave US anytime

Can't we get/do better?

 

[Litwin]

Can't we get/do better?

YES, you/WE can, US BADLY NEED TO PROSECUTE old commie - traitors. you / we can start FROM here

Soviet Spy Stamp Collection

 

[AZrailwhale]

Ok, did the 6 million Hitler murdered have anything to do with Nazism then?

Of course, you say.

What then is the difference between Nazism and communism? It was that Hitler allowed corporations to remain private while basically controlling their every move. It was a superior model to Stalin trying to run industry along with his bureaucratic buffoons who did not even know how to run government that effectively.

What is most concerning to me is, Marxism had murdered hundreds of millions more than Nazism, simply because Stalin sided with the winning side against Hitler. Now today Marxism is still hip to varying degrees but not Nazism when it should be hated equally, if not more.

For example, BLM was founded by people who declared themselves Marxists. Did they even know that Marxism murdered hundreds of millions more than Nazism, or the fact that Karl Marx himself was a racist? They essentially bought into an ideology grounded in systemic racism, but the fools on the Left will continue to erect Karl Marx statues while tearing down statues of Lincoln who freed the slaves as they call him a racist.

Hitler murdered far more than six million. Those were just the Jews. Hitler murdered the physically defective, mentally defective, minorities and anyone who dared to disagree with him. I believe the number is closer to thirty million civilians than six. And that’s not counting the POWs (mostly Soviet) that he murdered. And he was a piker compared to Stalin and Mao.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I'm just guessing but I think the boogyman started because the Soviet Union wasn't a market for our capitalist interests.

Nope, from the earliest days of the Communist state the USSR spent enormous amounts of money, time and effort attempting to subvert capitalist governments. It never stopped until the fall of the USSR. Does the word COMINTERN ring any bells?

 

[mikegriffith1]

Huh, well, maybe it started when Lenin murdered at least 1 million Russians, and then when Stalin later murdered around 20 million Russians, imposed tyranny on Eastern Europe, ordered North Korea to invade South Korea, etc., etc. Maybe those were some of the crimes that caused most people to view the Soviet Union very negatively.

As for communism in general, maybe most people viewed it as a cancer because it led to the murder of at least 20 million people in China under Mao, the brutal dictatorship in North Korea, the subjugation of Eastern Europe, the horrors of the Soviet Union, and mass killings and concentration camps in Vietnam and Cambodia.

 

[Orangecat]

Reminder, there are only 3 kinds of people who support Russia: fucking idiots, fucking Nazis and fucking sex offenders or a combination of all 3.

Nazis support Russia? WWII disagrees.

 

[Deadstick]

Nazis support Russia? WWII disagrees.

The guy is mentally deranged ignore him.

 

[Deadstick]

Huh, well, maybe it started when Lenin murdered at least 1 million Russians, and then when Stalin later murdered around 20 million Russians, imposed tyranny on Eastern Europe, ordered North Korea to invade South Korea, etc., etc. Maybe those were some of the crimes that caused most people to view the Soviet Union very negatively.

As for communism in general, maybe most people viewed it as a cancer because it led to the murder of at least 20 million people in China under Mao, the brutal dictatorship in North Korea, the subjugation of Eastern Europe, the horrors of the Soviet Union, and mass killings and concentration camps in Vietnam and Cambodia.

Well with Great Britain the irrational hatred has been there since at least the 18th century.

 

[Unkotare]

With a memorandum, written by a collaboration of newly minted "security" specialists and corporate spokesmen. Create a boogyman, put Reinhart Gehlen who was Hitler's spy chief and his crew to work to feed Congress with inflated threats and get more funding and power. Oh, keep it secret for 25 years and let the mockingbird press run with it. That's how our war economy was built, and it remains today. That is why voting doesn't matter as much as you might think. Milestones in the History of U.S. Foreign Relations - Office of the Historian

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