How About We Elect Our Presidents By Popular Vote?

[GMCGeneral]

Equals minority rule

As it should be.

 

[AsherN]

Because, and it's been argued to death, it relegates the Presidential Election to ONLY New York and Communistfornia, dumbass! We also need to return to appointing Senators by State legislatures as well.

So New York and California have over 50% of the nation's voters?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Wait till they put you in camps.

You better hope not...who's going to feed you lowlife beggars if they do?
Have you seen the data...your human cockroaches don't contribute.

 

[GMCGeneral]

So New York and California have over 50% of the nation's voters?

They have 75% of the power.

 

[bripat9643]

The entire country elects them. Only three presidents have won without also winning the popular vote. It is possible 95% of the time. You just need to have ideas that appeal more broadly. That is the objective reality.

Looting is very popular, moron.

 

[Rigby5]

The most densely populated cities would sway the vote entirely if it were not for the Electoral College, and these densely populated cities have the least understanding of things like freedom, rights, labor, values, proper government, etc.

What we need to get rid of is political parties, not the Electoral College.
We should have no primary, but just one election, where each voter ranks all candidates.

 

[Dragonlady]

Not talking about eliminating the Electoral College here necessarily. Just bypassing it for the Presidential races. This is an initiative that's proven popular and non-partisan. Why do we still tolerate them only having to campaign in a few "swing" states?

Agreement Among the States to Elect the President by National Popular Vote

One-page explanation (PDF) The National Popular Vote law will guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. It will apply the one-person-one-vote principle to presidential elections, and make every vote equal. Why a...

www.nationalpopularvote.com

Listen to a great discussion by clicking the play button at the bottom here:

Why Do We Still Have The Electoral College?

Ralph welcomes Harvard history professor, Alex Keyssar, scholar of voting rights and author of “Why Do We Still Have The Electoral College?” to discuss the battle over the Electoral College and the role white supremacy played in conceiving and perpetuating it. Then, we welcome back Steve Silberstein

www.ralphnaderradiohour.com

The only thing the electoral college does is confirm the election of the president so if you’re going to “bypass” it for the Presidential election you’ve eliminated the whole point of its existence. Why not eliminate it?

 

[Dragonlady]

Thank God for the Founding Fathers and their intellect to counter balance a runaway government.

The only runaway government that there’s been in my lifetime was Donald Trump. And Republicans did nothing to keep him acting within the constitutional limits of his authority.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

and that is the biggest reason to have the EC,, cant have a single party rule

Only if the Republican Party continues their rightward push on policy and attacks on democracy. You can’t have it both ways. Appeal to an ever shrinking minority base and still expect to win through ever more draconian methods to circumvent democracy.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

They have 75% of the power.

With four out of 100 Senators?

 

[Grumblenuts]

Only if the Republican Party continues their rightward push on policy and attacks on democracy. You can’t have it both ways. Appeal to an ever shrinking minority base and still expect to win through ever more draconian methods to circumvent democracy.

We really need to trash both and start fresh with at least four, better none. Outlaw political parties altogether and just have everyone compete on their own merits with the same (low) public funding, none private.

 

[Dragonlady]

We really need to trash both and start fresh with at least four, better none. Outlaw political parties altogether and just have everyone compete on their own merits with the same (low) public funding, none private.

And you think that would work and be less chaotic?

 

[Grumblenuts]

And you think that would work and be less chaotic?

Very much so. It would be much simpler to facilitate without all the major party beaurocratic BS now required. No more primaries.. Just a list of candidates. Everyone pick your favorites. Done.

No more minority / majority crap in the legislature. Just individuals arguing the actual issues.

 

[Juicin]

Not talking about eliminating the Electoral College here necessarily. Just bypassing it for the Presidential races. This is an initiative that's proven popular and non-partisan. Why do we still tolerate them only having to campaign in a few "swing" states?

Agreement Among the States to Elect the President by National Popular Vote

One-page explanation (PDF) The National Popular Vote law will guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. It will apply the one-person-one-vote principle to presidential elections, and make every vote equal. Why a...

www.nationalpopularvote.com

Listen to a great discussion by clicking the play button at the bottom here:

Why Do We Still Have The Electoral College?

Ralph welcomes Harvard history professor, Alex Keyssar, scholar of voting rights and author of “Why Do We Still Have The Electoral College?” to discuss the battle over the Electoral College and the role white supremacy played in conceiving and perpetuating it. Then, we welcome back Steve Silberstein

www.ralphnaderradiohour.com

lol the fuck?

"not eliminating electoral college just bypassing it"

That's sort of it's main function?

 

[Juicin]

Very much so. It would be much simpler to facilitate without all the major party beaurocratic BS now required. No more primaries.. Just a list of candidates. Everyone pick your favorites. Done.

No more minority / majority crap in the legislature. Just individuals arguing the actual issues.

Unless you trashed a huge % of the system it would just end up in two parties again.

Still need majorities in legislative bodies

Other alternative is to go parliamentary, but still need parties for that too

 

[Grumblenuts]

lol the fuck?

"not eliminating electoral college just bypassing it"

That's sort of it's main function?

Boy, if I had a dollar for every..

 

[Godboy]

No, they both won the popular vote as well as the electoral college. Contrast with Trump and W.

That just goes to show you the popular vote isnt always a good thing.

 

[Juicin]

Boy, if I had a dollar for every..

You have some very very warped perceptions about how our system works and why it works the way it does...

 

[Grumblenuts]

Unless you trashed a huge % of the system

Yep, that's the point. You want "smaller government" right?

 

[Grumblenuts]

You have some very very warped perceptions about how our system works and why it works the way it does...

I admitted to making that error very early on. If I could edit the OP, I would.