So cry to me about the voting rights act... What damage is being done?

[justoffal]

Honestly.....I am listening and not arguing here
I'm trying to understand how and why anyone thinks sheeting wrong is happening.

So I understand why we got it originally....

Voting Rights Act of 1965 - Wikipedia Voting Rights Act of 1965 - Wikipedia

But I also understand how it has been twisted and abused into something it was never supposed to be.

It was never intended to act as a gathering tool to create a false majority.

Nuff Said...

Now convince me!

Jo

 

[MarcATL]

Let's start here OP...

What was the goal of the Voting Rights Act?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Honestly.....I am listening and not arguing here
I'm trying to understand how and why anyone thinks sheeting wrong is happening.

So I understand why we got it originally....

Voting Rights Act of 1965 - Wikipedia Voting Rights Act of 1965 - Wikipedia

But I also understand how it has been twisted and abused into something it was never supposed to be.

It was never intended to act as a gathering tool to create a false majority.

Nuff Said...

Now convince me!

Jo

Nothing to convince. You nailed it. They lie.

 

[WEATHER53]

Damaging to the primary agenda when made more difficult to manipulate and cheat

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Let's start here OP...

What was the goal of the Voting Rights Act?

To stop democrats from preventing blacks from voting.

 

[22lcidw]

Let's start here OP...

What was the goal of the Voting Rights Act?

Nations that go beyond what they can afford end up in decline and impoverishment. With all of the Prog cities, Progressives get free TV propaganda airtime like the May Day protests.

 

[Martin Eden Mercury]

Honestly.....I am listening and not arguing here
I'm trying to understand how and why anyone thinks sheeting wrong is happening.

So I understand why we got it originally....

Voting Rights Act of 1965 - Wikipedia Voting Rights Act of 1965 - Wikipedia

But I also understand how it has been twisted and abused into something it was never supposed to be.

It was never intended to act as a gathering tool to create a false majority.

Nuff Said...

Now convince me!

Jo

"So cry to me about" and "I am listening and not arguing here I'm trying to understand"

cognitive dissonance or outright bullcrap?

 

[Martin Eden Mercury]

Nothing to convince. You nailed it. They lie.

Wait just one minute. The poster says he is not looking to argue? Are you saying he is in violation of the rules we have for opening posts?

 

[Winston]

Honestly.....I am listening and not arguing here
I'm trying to understand how and why anyone thinks sheeting wrong is happening.

So I understand why we got it originally....

Voting Rights Act of 1965 - Wikipedia Voting Rights Act of 1965 - Wikipedia

But I also understand how it has been twisted and abused into something it was never supposed to be.

It was never intended to act as a gathering tool to create a false majority.

Nuff Said...

Now convince me!

Jo

It is called "cracking and packing". You pack all the minorities into a district that you willingly concede to them, and then you crack the rest of them where they cannot attain a majority. The 12th Congressional district of the 90's the most infamous. I mean it was ridiculous, covering over 160 miles, narrow in width, has it serpentined through the state from Greensboro to Winston Salem and even close to Charlotte.

https://alabamamaps.ua.edu/contemporarymaps/special/politics/nc6n12.pdf

I mean damn, look at it. Flipping ridiculous. Embarrassing even. The Voting Rights act was established to eliminate the disenfranchisement of the minority vote. Black laws, poll taxes, literacy tests, and yes, Congressional districts. It was never intended to be permanent, but it is still needed. And let's just be honest here, you wouldn't need to crack and pack unless you knew, going in, that you were going to **** the minorities.

 

[justoffal]

It is called "cracking and packing". You pack all the minorities into a district that you willingly concede to them, and then you crack the rest of them where they cannot attain a majority. The 12th Congressional district of the 90's the most infamous. I mean it was ridiculous, covering over 160 miles, narrow in width, has it serpentined through the state from Greensboro to Winston Salem and even close to Charlotte.

https://alabamamaps.ua.edu/contemporarymaps/special/politics/nc6n12.pdf

I mean damn, look at it. Flipping ridiculous. Embarrassing even. The Voting Rights act was established to eliminate the disenfranchisement of the minority vote. Black laws, poll taxes, literacy tests, and yes, Congressional districts. It was never intended to be permanent, but it is still needed. And let's just be honest here, you wouldn't need to crack and pack unless you knew, going in, that you were going to **** the minorities.

Pretty good post

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Pretty good post

I have Winnie the Pooh on ignore, but I read his post because of what you said, and I have to agree. For once in a very long while, a blind squirrel found an acorn and posted the truth for once.

 

[Independent thinker]

Honestly.....I am listening and not arguing here
I'm trying to understand how and why anyone thinks sheeting wrong is happening.

So I understand why we got it originally....

Voting Rights Act of 1965 - Wikipedia Voting Rights Act of 1965 - Wikipedia

But I also understand how it has been twisted and abused into something it was never supposed to be.

It was never intended to act as a gathering tool to create a false majority.

Nuff Said...

Now convince me!

Jo

Blacks and minorities can't possibly win unless districts are made for black people and minorities. Oh, wait a minute, bad argument. That's simply not true and it has already been proven it's not true.

 

[justoffal]

Blacks and minorities can't possibly win unless districts are made for black people and minorities. Oh, wait a minute, bad argument. That's simply not true and it has already been proven it's not true.

We elected Obama right?

 

[Martin Eden Mercury]

It is called "cracking and packing". You pack all the minorities into a district that you willingly concede to them, and then you crack the rest of them where they cannot attain a majority. The 12th Congressional district of the 90's the most infamous. I mean it was ridiculous, covering over 160 miles, narrow in width, has it serpentined through the state from Greensboro to Winston Salem and even close to Charlotte.

https://alabamamaps.ua.edu/contemporarymaps/special/politics/nc6n12.pdf

I mean damn, look at it. Flipping ridiculous. Embarrassing even. The Voting Rights act was established to eliminate the disenfranchisement of the minority vote. Black laws, poll taxes, literacy tests, and yes, Congressional districts. It was never intended to be permanent, but it is still needed. And let's just be honest here, you wouldn't need to crack and pack unless you knew, going in, that you were going to **** the minorities.

The Southern Strategy “Debunked” ?

In recent years, defenders of the Republican Party have increasingly attempted to “debunk” the idea that the Southern Strategy played a role in reshaping American politics along racial lines. However, many of these attempts rely on straw man arguments or selective evidence rather than addressing the broader historical record. One common tactic is to misrepresent what historians mean by the Southern Strategy. Critics often argue that the theory claims there was a single, explicit moment when Southern voters suddenly switched from Democrat to Republican. When they point out that the shift happened gradually over several decades rather than overnight, they present this as proof that the Southern Strategy is a myth. In reality, most historians have long described the political realignment of the South as a slow, multi-decade process, beginning in the late 1960s and continuing into the 1990s.

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Ronald Reagan refers to African Diplomats as “Monkeys”

Another frequent approach is to focus narrowly on specific quotes from individual politicians, particularly President Richard Nixon, while ignoring the broader policy environment and political messaging used by the Republican Party during that era. By insisting that there is no direct quote from Nixon explicitly describing a “Southern Strategy,” detractors attempt to dismiss the concept entirely. This framing overlooks the way political strategies often operate through coded messaging, campaign themes, and policy positioning rather than explicit public statements. Critics also tend to ignore or downplay some of the most direct evidence, including statements from Republican strategist Lee Atwater. In a widely circulated interview recorded in 1981, Atwater openly described how political messaging evolved from explicit racial language in earlier decades to more abstract policy framing—using issues such as taxes, states’ rights, and government programs in ways that still carried racial implications for voters. More recently, historical recordings have further complicated attempts to dismiss racial dynamics in Republican politics of that era. Newly surfaced audio of a conversation between President Ronald Reagan and President Richard Nixon includes Reagan referring to African representatives at the United Nations in racially derogatory terms. While such remarks do not by themselves prove a formal electoral strategy, they provide additional context about racial attitudes among some political leaders during the period when the Southern political realignment was taking place.

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For these reasons, most historians and political scientists view the debate not as a question of whether the Southern Strategy existed, but rather how it operated and how influential it was in the long-term shift of Southern voters toward the Republican Party. Attempts to “debunk” the Southern Strategy often succeed only by redefining the argument into a simplified version that historians were never making in the first place. The Current Situation The Southern Strategy was a turning point in the Republican Party’s history, propelling them to power in the South but also forever linking them to racial tensions and discrimination. As we move forward, it is essential to recognize and understand this history to create a more equitable and united future. Political parties should strive to be vehicles for progress and equality, representing the diverse interests and aspirations of all Americans, regardless of race or background. Only then can we hope to overcome the divisive legacy of the past and build a stronger, more inclusive nation for all.

The Southern Strategy Explained and How it HASN'T Been Debunked

Learn how the Southern Strategy reshaped U.S. politics and why critics argue it helped transform the GOP into the party associated with racial backlash.

www.factandmyth.com

 

[Martin Eden Mercury]

Pretty good post

really?

Ronald Reagan refers to African Diplomats as “Monkeys”

"Another frequent approach is to focus narrowly on specific quotes from individual politicians, particularly President Richard Nixon, while ignoring the broader policy environment and political messaging used by the Republican Party during that era. By insisting that there is no direct quote from Nixon explicitly describing a “Southern Strategy,” detractors attempt to dismiss the concept entirely. This framing overlooks the way political strategies often operate through coded messaging, campaign themes, and policy positioning rather than explicit public statements. Critics also tend to ignore or downplay some of the most direct evidence, including statements from Republican strategist Lee Atwater. In a widely circulated interview recorded in 1981, Atwater openly described how political messaging evolved from explicit racial language in earlier decades to more abstract policy framing—using issues such as taxes, states’ rights, and government programs in ways that still carried racial implications for voters. More recently, historical recordings have further complicated attempts to dismiss racial dynamics in Republican politics of that era. Newly surfaced audio of a conversation between President Ronald Reagan and President Richard Nixon includes Reagan referring to African representatives at the United Nations in racially derogatory terms. While such remarks do not by themselves prove a formal electoral strategy, they provide additional context about racial attitudes among some political leaders during the period when the Southern political realignment was taking place."