Here is a matter I'm sure we can all agree on.

Here is a matter I'm sure we can all agree on.​

Trump was told by Bondi his name appeared multiple times in Epstein files: Report​

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Trump was told by Bondi his name appeared multiple times in Epstein files: Report

According to a report in the Wall Street Journal, Pam Bondi informed President Trump in May that his name appeared multiple times in the Epstein files.
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I assume the Biden admin also knew Dotard's name was in the file in multiple places. But it wasn't used against trump during the 2024 campaign by Dem's. I'm sure we can all agree were the circumstances reversed trump would not have hesitated to use it against an opponent.
 
berg80 said:

Here is a matter I'm sure we can all agree on.​

Trump was told by Bondi his name appeared multiple times in Epstein files: Report​

abcnews.go.com

Trump was told by Bondi his name appeared multiple times in Epstein files: Report

According to a report in the Wall Street Journal, Pam Bondi informed President Trump in May that his name appeared multiple times in the Epstein files.
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I assume the Biden admin also knew Dotard's name was in the file in multiple places. But it wasn't used against trump during the 2024 campaign by Dem's. I'm sure we can all agree were the circumstances reversed trump would not have hesitated to use it against an opponent.
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Why didn’t the dems use it then? Surely it’s not beneath them..
 
berg80 said:

Internal DOJ messages bolster claim that Trump judicial nominee spoke of defying court orders​

A fired Justice Department attorney has provided Congress with a trove of emails and text messages to corroborate his claims that a controversial Trump judicial nominee — top DOJ official Emil Bove — crudely discussed defying court orders.

The newly-released messages reinforce claims by whistleblower Erez Reuveni that Bove played a key role in a decision by Trump administration immigration officials to turn scores of Venezuelan immigrants over to El Salvador’s government despite a U.S. judge’s order not to do so.

The messages show increasing alarm among Justice Department lawyers that the administration had in fact defied court orders and that some officials — including a prominent DOJ lawyer brought on by the Trump administration — could face sanctions for misleading the courts.

Bove has said that he never advised anyone to violate court orders. DOJ and the Department of Homeland Security did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/10/emil-bove-whistleblower-documents-00446225

https://www.documentcloud.org/docum...ni-batch-1-index-and-evidence-redacted-final/

There is documentary evidence substantiating Reuveni's accusations against Bove. He did what Reuveni claimed he did. He told DoJ attorneys to ignore court orders.

Here is what we should all be able to agree on. Bove has disqualified himself from consideration as an appellate court judge. We obviously can't have judges sitting on the federal bench who directed DoJ subordinates to ignore court orders.
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What exactly did Bove say and to who?

berg80 said:
Because whether a court has overstepped its authority or not there is a legal procedure for challenging the order. That procedure does not include a DoJ official instructing lower level employees to ignore a court order before the matter has been adjudicated in order to advance an executive policy.
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That answer would make sense if we are talking about a decision here and there in which a court oversteps its authority, maybe one or two a year, or maybe even a handful, but on relatively minor points that can wait to be resolved in the months or years long processes to move a case up the judicial chain. For example, George W. Bush and Barrack Obama had 12 and 19 nationwide injunctions issued against their presidential actions respectively in each of their 8 years in office. An average of just under two per year.

In other words, for typical presidents, to whom the opposition reacts more or less normally, such court orders are relatively rare.

As of May, Donald Trump had 25 nationwide injuctions against his presidential actions. Not cases, which number in the hundreds, but actual nationwide injunctions by federal judges.


That is a clear attempt to run executive policy from the bench(es). No president can work like that. Allowing that to continue amounts to saying, "well, no. The people don't get their choice of president. We have more than 800 federal judges and some of them think that his policies are just flat wrong and they will not allow them."

I'm not saying not to take the cases to higher courts and up to the Supreme Court. I'm saying that the idea that if only one judge in that chain says "no" to the President, then that president is bound to that restraint until the whole process plays out is counter to the spirit and more importantly the letter, of Article II of the USC.
 
berg80 said:

Internal DOJ messages bolster claim that Trump judicial nominee spoke of defying court orders​

A fired Justice Department attorney has provided Congress with a trove of emails and text messages to corroborate his claims that a controversial Trump judicial nominee — top DOJ official Emil Bove — crudely discussed defying court orders.

The newly-released messages reinforce claims by whistleblower Erez Reuveni that Bove played a key role in a decision by Trump administration immigration officials to turn scores of Venezuelan immigrants over to El Salvador’s government despite a U.S. judge’s order not to do so.

The messages show increasing alarm among Justice Department lawyers that the administration had in fact defied court orders and that some officials — including a prominent DOJ lawyer brought on by the Trump administration — could face sanctions for misleading the courts.

Bove has said that he never advised anyone to violate court orders. DOJ and the Department of Homeland Security did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/10/emil-bove-whistleblower-documents-00446225

https://www.documentcloud.org/docum...ni-batch-1-index-and-evidence-redacted-final/

There is documentary evidence substantiating Reuveni's accusations against Bove. He did what Reuveni claimed he did. He told DoJ attorneys to ignore court orders.

Here is what we should all be able to agree on. Bove has disqualified himself from consideration as an appellate court judge. We obviously can't have judges sitting on the federal bench who directed DoJ subordinates to ignore court orders.
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This is not a bug but rather a feature to the Trump Admin
Rule of law be damned
 
Seymour Flops said:
What exactly did Bove say and to who?


That answer would make sense if we are talking about a decision here and there in which a court oversteps its authority, maybe one or two a year, or maybe even a handful, but on relatively minor points that can wait to be resolved in the months or years long processes to move a case up the judicial chain. For example, George W. Bush and Barrack Obama had 12 and 19 nationwide injunctions issued against their presidential actions respectively in each of their 8 years in office. An average of just under two per year.

In other words, for typical presidents, to whom the opposition reacts more or less normally, such court orders are relatively rare.

As of May, Donald Trump had 25 nationwide injuctions against his presidential actions. Not cases, which number in the hundreds, but actual nationwide injunctions by federal judges.


That is a clear attempt to run executive policy from the bench(es). No president can work like that. Allowing that to continue amounts to saying, "well, no. The people don't get their choice of president. We have more than 800 federal judges and some of them think that his policies are just flat wrong and they will not allow them."

I'm not saying not to take the cases to higher courts and up to the Supreme Court. I'm saying that the idea that if only one judge in that chain says "no" to the President, then that president is bound to that restraint until the whole process plays out is counter to the spirit and more importantly the letter, of Article II of the USC.
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Another whistleblower claims that top DOJ official suggested department could ignore court orders​

Another whistleblower has made claims to the Justice Department’s watchdog that Emil Bove — a top agency official who is now nominated for a judgeship — suggested others in the department could ignore court orders during a contentious legal battle in an immigration case.

The whistleblower, a former DOJ attorney in the Office of Immigration Litigation, told CNN documents have been filed with the DOJ Office of the Inspector General that appear to align with another whistleblower’s account that Bove tried to mislead federal judges during the administration’s aggressive deportation effort this spring.

“I think it would be incredibly dangerous for someone like that to have a lifetime appointment as a federal appellate judge,” the whistleblower said.

Are you in favor of appellate judges having a history of illegally suggesting court orders be ignored while working for the DoJ?
 
berg80 said:

Another whistleblower claims that top DOJ official suggested department could ignore court orders​

Another whistleblower has made claims to the Justice Department’s watchdog that Emil Bove — a top agency official who is now nominated for a judgeship — suggested others in the department could ignore court orders during a contentious legal battle in an immigration case.

The whistleblower, a former DOJ attorney in the Office of Immigration Litigation, told CNN documents have been filed with the DOJ Office of the Inspector General that appear to align with another whistleblower’s account that Bove tried to mislead federal judges during the administration’s aggressive deportation effort this spring.

“I think it would be incredibly dangerous for someone like that to have a lifetime appointment as a federal appellate judge,” the whistleblower said.

Are you in favor of appellate judges having a history of illegally suggesting court orders be ignored while working for the DoJ?
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Doesn't answer the question. Again:

What, exactly, did Bove say?

That a whistleblower feels that Bove "suggested" something tells me nothing.

If there is a real quote that can be verified of Bove saying "Ah Hell! Let's just ignore these court orders!" then we can have a conversation about it.
 
Seymour Flops said:
Doesn't answer the question. Again:

What, exactly, did Bove say?

That a whistleblower feels that Bove "suggested" something tells me nothing.

If there is a real quote that can be verified of Bove saying "Ah Hell! Let's just ignore these court orders!" then we can have a conversation about it.
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A Third Whistleblower Challenges Bove​

A third whistleblower has come forward to the Senate Judiciary Committee, charging that Emil Bove, Trump’s nominee for a lifetime appointment to the Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, misled senators during his confirmation hearing, the Washington Post reports.

This latest whistleblower follows two others who accused Bove of telling Justice Department attorneys to ignore court orders blocking Trump’s deportations. Specifically, former DOJ attorney Erez Reuveni said that Bove had told department lawyers to say “**** you” to judges blocking Trump’s scheme to render Venezuelan detainees to an El Salvador prison. Bove claimed in his confirmation hearing he did not recall saying this.

“We have substantial information relevant to the truthfulness of the nominee,” Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) said in a floor speech yesterday. But Senate Republicans have shown no interest in even finding out what the new whistleblower has to say.
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A Third Whistleblower Challenges Bove, and a Criminal Defendant Challenges Habba

A lot of things happened. Here are some of the things. This...
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Must be a deep state thing, right? It's not possible a trump sycophant told DoJ staff to ignore a court order, right? Then you'd have to admit a trump nominee has disqualified himself from being confirmed for the appellate bench. And we can't have that!
 
berg80 said:

A Third Whistleblower Challenges Bove​

A third whistleblower has come forward to the Senate Judiciary Committee, charging that Emil Bove, Trump’s nominee for a lifetime appointment to the Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, misled senators during his confirmation hearing, the Washington Post reports.

This latest whistleblower follows two others who accused Bove of telling Justice Department attorneys to ignore court orders blocking Trump’s deportations. Specifically, former DOJ attorney Erez Reuveni said that Bove had told department lawyers to say “**** you” to judges blocking Trump’s scheme to render Venezuelan detainees to an El Salvador prison. Bove claimed in his confirmation hearing he did not recall saying this.

“We have substantial information relevant to the truthfulness of the nominee,” Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) said in a floor speech yesterday. But Senate Republicans have shown no interest in even finding out what the new whistleblower has to say.
talkingpointsmemo.com

A Third Whistleblower Challenges Bove, and a Criminal Defendant Challenges Habba

A lot of things happened. Here are some of the things. This...
talkingpointsmemo.com

Must be a deep state thing, right? It's not possible a trump sycophant told DoJ staff to ignore a court order, right? Then you'd have to admit a trump nominee has disqualified himself from being confirmed for the appellate bench. And we can't have that!
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A two work quote "**** you?"

What exactly did he say and what is the evidence? Is it just a former DOJ guy who was fired or quit?

You are turning into a waste of time.
 
Seymour Flops said:
What exactly did he say and what is the evidence?
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The internet is at your disposal to find out. Do some research. Or, remain ignorant.

BTW, I'm on to your game of parsing every detail in the hope of dissembling what is increasingly becoming a straightforward story.
 
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j-mac said:
When you post, it’s a safe bet that fact has nothing to do with it…
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Any time you'd like to try to prove a post of mine is factually incorrect, bring it.
 
berg80 said:
Any time you'd like to try to prove a post of mine is factually incorrect, bring it.
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I’ve got more important things to do than school you…I’ll just continue to laugh at you…
 
berg80 said:
The internet is at your disposal to find out. Do some research. Or, remain ignorant.

BTW, I'm on to your game of parsing every detail in the hope of dissembling what is increasingly becoming a straightforward story.
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No, it is a repetive mistatement of the truth.
 
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