Here is a matter I'm sure we can all agree on.

[pknopp]

I don't think you read the post.... Unlike me he's advocating for the executive branch to obey the judicial branch.... Myself? I think the judiciary has become co-opted by a bunch of bad actors and vigilantes. The executive branch is well within its right to simply ignore illegal rulings from such a rogue court system.

And then the next administration will do the same and it becomes a back and forth free for all.

 

[pknopp]

I’ve said that for years to you, only to have you ignore the warning…Too late Pknopp, it’s already in action by you people.

Bugger off. I've said it for years and I have no clue what you are mindlessly ranting about.

 

[berg80]

Oh please.... United States presidential history is replete with thousands of pages of presidents ignoring the courts even the supreme Court.

Concentrate. This matter pertains to a DoJ official who has been nominated to sit on an appellate court instructing subordinates to ignore a court order.

 

[SeaMajor7]

The Judicial Branch DOES NOT run the Executive Branch.
Try Schoolhouse Rock for further fundamental details on the United States government.

 

[pknopp]

Concentrate. This matter pertains to a DoJ official who has been nominated to sit on an appellate court instructing subordinates to ignore a court order.

He set the precedent. Any ruling of his can simply be ignored and there is little he can complain about.

 

[berg80]

Considering the fact that the judiciary has become the wild West I think it sets off a power struggle that will find its own balance once the judges find their own limits.

Horseshit. A ruling by the extremist conservatives on the SC undoing decades of precedent doesn't make what has happened in the past the "wild west."

 

[berg80]

Fair point

Actually, it isn't a fair point. See post #4.

 

[justoffal]

And that takes time, and the time taken is exactly why these hacks in black pretend they have authority that exceeds their bounds.

Also they know punishing them for bad behavior is virtually impossible.

The appeals process has become a way to deny access to appeals. It is purposely as slow as molasses especially if it's something they don't want to deal with. This is why the districts needed to be busted back down to districts that actually have lines.

 

[Seth]

Actually, it isn't a fair point. See post #4.

I read the post — and if there's a particular part you think I missed or misunderstood, I’m open to revisiting it. Just asking people to “go look” doesn’t move the conversation forward.

 

[justoffal]

Because whether a court has overstepped its authority or not there is a legal procedure for challenging the order. That procedure does not include a DoJ official instructing lower level employees to ignore a court order before the matter has been adjudicated in order to advance an executive policy.

Balance of power....you Keep forgetting about the word balance. The judicial branch cannot have more authority than the executive branch.... That simple. Since they have decided to work around the balance and grab more power than they deserve.... They also deserve to be ignored.

 

[berg80]

The appeals process has become a way to deny access to appeals. It is purposely as slow as molasses especially if it's something they don't want to deal with. This is why the districts needed to be busted back down to districts that actually have lines.

The "wild west" is allowing any admin to issue blatantly unconstitutional EO's which can only be blocked temporarily on a nationwide basis until the arduous process of certifying a class for a class action suit can be accomplished.

 

[berg80]

Balance of power....you Keep forgetting about the word balance. The judicial branch cannot have more authority than the executive branch.... That simple. Since they have decided to work around the balance and grab more power than they deserve.... They also deserve to be ignored.

That word salad doesn't change the fact that government officials don't get to legally ignore court orders until a higher court has ruled on the issue at hand.

 

[justoffal]

That word salad doesn't change the fact that government officials don't get to legally ignore court orders until a higher court has ruled on the issue at hand.

You forgot the dressing.... Which points equally back at your comment not changing the fact that a rogue judiciary is just that a rogue judiciary.... Like FDR once said.....' that's nice.... Now let them enforce it!"

The judiciary is not supposed to become an arm of any political party and yet that is exactly what we are seeing. By crossing that line they place themselves squarely in a position to have their rulings ignored as simply illegal rulings.

 

[Independent thinker]

Internal DOJ messages bolster claim that Trump judicial nominee spoke of defying court orders​

A fired Justice Department attorney has provided Congress with a trove of emails and text messages to corroborate his claims that a controversial Trump judicial nominee — top DOJ official Emil Bove — crudely discussed defying court orders.

The newly-released messages reinforce claims by whistleblower Erez Reuveni that Bove played a key role in a decision by Trump administration immigration officials to turn scores of Venezuelan immigrants over to El Salvador’s government despite a U.S. judge’s order not to do so.

The messages show increasing alarm among Justice Department lawyers that the administration had in fact defied court orders and that some officials — including a prominent DOJ lawyer brought on by the Trump administration — could face sanctions for misleading the courts.

Bove has said that he never advised anyone to violate court orders. DOJ and the Department of Homeland Security did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/10/emil-bove-whistleblower-documents-00446225

https://www.documentcloud.org/docum...ni-batch-1-index-and-evidence-redacted-final/

There is documentary evidence substantiating Reuveni's accusations against Bove. He did what Reuveni claimed he did. He told DoJ attorneys to ignore court orders.

Here is what we should all be able to agree on. Bove has disqualified himself from consideration as an appellate court judge. We obviously can't have judges sitting on the federal bench who directed DoJ subordinates to ignore court orders.

Democrats are in favor of not following court orders so I don't understand the point of your thread.

 

[justoffal]

Democrats are in favor of not following court orders so I don't understand the point of your thread.

They only favor the court orders that become an extension of the Democrat party. The problem is once the court becomes an extension of the party it is no longer the court.

 

[Nostra]

Internal DOJ messages bolster claim that Trump judicial nominee spoke of defying court orders​

A fired Justice Department attorney has provided Congress with a trove of emails and text messages to corroborate his claims that a controversial Trump judicial nominee — top DOJ official Emil Bove — crudely discussed defying court orders.

The newly-released messages reinforce claims by whistleblower Erez Reuveni that Bove played a key role in a decision by Trump administration immigration officials to turn scores of Venezuelan immigrants over to El Salvador’s government despite a U.S. judge’s order not to do so.

The messages show increasing alarm among Justice Department lawyers that the administration had in fact defied court orders and that some officials — including a prominent DOJ lawyer brought on by the Trump administration — could face sanctions for misleading the courts.

Bove has said that he never advised anyone to violate court orders. DOJ and the Department of Homeland Security did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/10/emil-bove-whistleblower-documents-00446225

https://www.documentcloud.org/docum...ni-batch-1-index-and-evidence-redacted-final/

There is documentary evidence substantiating Reuveni's accusations against Bove. He did what Reuveni claimed he did. He told DoJ attorneys to ignore court orders.

Here is what we should all be able to agree on. Bove has disqualified himself from consideration as an appellate court judge. We obviously can't have judges sitting on the federal bench who directed DoJ subordinates to ignore court orders.

The Supreme Court said he was right.

THREAD FAIL!

 

[berg80]

I read the post — and if there's a particular part you think I missed or misunderstood, I’m open to revisiting it. Just asking people to “go look” doesn’t move the conversation forward.

If you read the post, and comprehended it, then you should have acknowledged your error.

 

[Nostra]

Kinda like when Biden ignored the supreme courts decision on student loans?

That was different... mainly because Tater gave the middle finger to the Supreme Court and not rogue District Judge who thinks he is President.

 

[Seth]

If you read the post, and comprehended it, then you should have acknowledged your error.

I understood your post — I just don’t agree that it invalidates what I said. Disagreement doesn’t equal misunderstanding.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Here is what we should all be able to agree on. Bove has disqualified himself from consideration as an appellate court judge.

True.

Of course, Trump Cult members will disagree – they have the same contempt for the rule of law, the same contempt for the courts, and support Republican presidents defying court orders.