Zone1 Hebrews 1:8 says Jesus is God

[Cougarbear]

Not quite In Deuteronomy, "you should not add or subtract" refers to the commandment to strictly adhere to the G-d of Abraham Isaac and Jacob’s law and teachings without modification.This means that the Israelites should not add any new commandments or teachings to what he had already given them, nor should they take away from or ignore any of the existing laws. Christianity teaches in the New Testament to mostly ignore these rules because they have a free get out of jail card in their view of their idol Jesus…. To my knowledge the prophets almost without exception tried to get the people to follow these laws and commandments therefore your conjecture is without merit even if I would agree to this the commandment to adhere to these teachings still must be followed with no addition or subtraction….. Remember it is the G-d of Abraham Isaac and Jacob that will have the best and final laughter not you in your hysteria when he chooses his people not some “ Johnny” come lately or “ Smith” teaching a new way….There were always people that came along and misinterpreted a line here or a word there and gave it a different spin that is why there are so many different factions and groups… That is also why we need to have our own platform such as a rebuilt temple( not for sacrifices) but for teaching the correct paths and understandings that so many have deviated and fallen away from because there was no central authority to correct their errors…. That is why Mt Moriah means basically to teach and that that Mountain will be “ higher” up then all other Mountains not physically but in being the authority of what is the correct path and what is not the correct path… Laugh all you want but in time this will be so…

The simple Occam’s razor is The Lord didn’t change the law. He fulfilled his own law. The Law was a preparatory law for the higher Law. The need for animal sacrifice was no longer needed since the purpose of it was fulfilled in the atonement of Jesus Christ. Why would animal sacrifice be needed?
The fact Judaism hasn’t had another prophet since way before Jesus should tell you that your non-acceptance of Jesus atonement is worse than the absence of a prophet for 400 years before Moses. Makes sense to stick with Jesus.

 

[GLASNOST]

Hebrews 1:8 says Jesus is God The Father himself is speaking in Hebrews 1 and says in verse 8 that Jesus, His Son, is to be called God as well.​

Christianity and Hinduism. Or maybe Jim Jones.

 

[shimon]

only a sickness of heart would believe such to be the case to worship anything those three sinners would claim as a heavenly presence for their benefit.

the same people who would kill a religious itinerant without any other means to prevent their truth from vacating their obviously self serving corrupt religion as then in the 1st century to the present day.

Honestly you are like a Broken record playing the same tune over and over again… If you want an honest discussion then great but all these years you have never shown that to be the case sorry but that is my take or opinion and of course you are entitled to yours no matter how much I personally find it way off in left field….

 

[shimon]

The simple Occam’s razor is The Lord didn’t change the law. He fulfilled his own law. The Law was a preparatory law for the higher Law. The need for animal sacrifice was no longer needed since the purpose of it was fulfilled in the atonement of Jesus Christ. Why would animal sacrifice be needed?
The fact Judaism hasn’t had another prophet since way before Jesus should tell you that your non-acceptance of Jesus atonement is worse than the absence of a prophet for 400 years before Moses. Makes sense to stick with Jesus.

Shows us what you know Jesus paid absolutely nothing for anyone’s sins….It is just plain silliness what your very very bad teachers have taught you and is very telling .. Vicarius attonement is nonsense Ezekiel18:20 The soul that sinneth,it shall die.The son SHALL NOT Bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him. 21 But If the wicked will turn from his sins that he has committed and keep my statutes and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.22 ALL his TRANSGRESSIONS that he hath committed they shall not be mentioned unto him: In his righteousness that he has done he shall live…….. That is simple and straightforward there are other passages that mention similar scriptures and logical No one takes your sins but Christianity or at least the stuff they teach you is illogical and nonsense pascal lamb indeed lol….This is why we need our own platform to correct these and many other mistaken and false beliefs taught by some very very bad teachers….

 

[Cougarbear]

Honestly you are like a Broken record playing the same tune over and over again… If you want an honest discussion then great but all these years you have never shown that to be the case sorry but that is my take or opinion and of course you are entitled to yours no matter how much I personally find it way off in left field….

Mine actually has logic and reason. Yours doesn’t make logical sense. I show you two instances where more books will come forth in these days and you can’t accept it because of your mental bias. Show you can think for yourself.

 

[shimon]

Mine actually has logic and reason. Yours doesn’t make logical sense. I show you two instances where more books will come forth in these days and you can’t accept it because of your mental bias. Show you can think for yourself.

I don’t know why you decided to interfere between me and Breezewood as this was not for you however ….. I will answer you thusly “ the truth can walk around naked” but the LIE must be covered…. The naked truth is there in the “ Tree of Life” which is the Torah or the Jewish scriptures or the OT if some prefer.. But others came along and decided that “ Tree wasn’t good enough for them so they ate the “ Fruits”( which are teachings) from another TREE and they no longer had the NAKED TRUTH thus they had to cover themselves up and their LIES with different BE LEAFS thus they wrote Books and more books and in them many a tall tale as one LiE begat another lie all to cover up the fact that their fruits( teachings) were rotten to the core … You want more “ books” more Beliefs( Bel the snakes lie to Eve ,,,Believe) go ahead as my Baba used to say you want it nah eat it choke on it… I myself will stick to the naked truth as found in the Jewish scriptures…..

 

[Cougarbear]

I don’t know why you decided to interfere between me and Breezewood as this was not for you however ….. I will answer you thusly “ the truth can walk around naked” but the LIE must be covered…. The naked truth is there in the “ Tree of Life” which is the Torah or the Jewish scriptures or the OT if some prefer.. But others came along and decided that “ Tree wasn’t good enough for them so they ate the “ Fruits”( which are teachings) from another TREE and they no longer had the NAKED TRUTH thus they had to cover themselves up and their LIES with different BE LEAFS thus they wrote Books and more books and in them many a tall tale as one LiE begat another lie all to cover up the fact that their fruits( teachings) were rotten to the core … You want more “ books” more Beliefs( Bel the snakes lie to Eve ,,,Believe) go ahead as my Baba used to say you want it nah eat it choke on it… I myself will stick to the naked truth as found in the Jewish scriptures…..

This is an open forum. So, expect others to follow and comment. I find it puzzling that you believe the tree of knowledge is finite. It is for those who stone their prophets. Again, it’s been 2300 years without a prophet for Jews. Not for true Israel. Especially for the tribe of Joseph. We are Ali e and well with prophets and apostles. Men called and led by God to communicate his increasing knowledge to us. Judaism is much like Protestants and Catholics in that your stuck in the past without a future. The Messiah has come once and will come again and show his wounds he received in the house of his friends (Judah). Sound familiar showing the wounds in his hands and feet?

 

[HaShev]

Typical event by someone who lost the debate. Write as much as can hoping it looks scholarly. Unfortunately, it doesn’t. The simple Occam’s Razor method of truth gives me the win. Michael is one of the great princes of angels while Jesus is the
Prince Messiah.

1)That was not a refutation
2)you don't know what words mean, what do you think arch malakh means?
Angels are merely A DEFINED word as being messengers, reflections of the Essence, not spirit beings, not winged myths. NT and OT and clergy disclose they can be Rabbis, bishops, cardinals called angels, men.
Even the Pope calls his bishops and cardinals angels =meaning he's the head aka arch angel of his opposition to the Mikdash. Hence the Head Priest of the Temple to come is... . Come on even you can get this one.
How many clues do you need?
The name of Moshiach is in "the Bible" (Mikra).-Melakim {I Kings8:43)and
The Torah-Devarim 14:22
RA in Hebrew=Father in Heaven. =Mike is the Father in Heaven (head of the hosts).
The MIKra (i.e. Bible) says
The name of Moshiach will be in the Temple (Mikdash) in his name that will sit *in the holy city in his name *(Neither the Temple nor city is called JesusDash or YeruJesus).
"dash"="referring to"
the Mikdash is the Building referring to Mike.
Also called Mikdosh (dosh=thresher) cause Moshiach is the thresher who removes the thin veil from our eyes-Isaiah 25:7 like a thresher removes the wheat from the chaff and thin veil from the grain.

Source for his name in the holy city:
“at the site that He shall choose to place His Name”

In Sefer D’varim (12:5, 11, 14, 18, 21; 14:23, 24, 25; 15:20; 16:2, 6, 7, 11, 15, 16; 17:8, 10; 18:6; 26:2; 31:11).the place that I will choose to place My Name. That is referring to YeruShalem because Sifri identifies the place which Hashem will choose (12:18) as "Yerushalayim".
1 Kings 11:36 & In the Words of the Archangel Michael Scroll(4Q529, 6Q23).
Gemarah (Baba Batra 75) Tells us Jerusalem is named after G0D and is the place commemerating his name and essence.
So the Name must be in the name of the City of YeruShalem,
in fact Jesus in Rev 22;16 claimed to be the nemesis of the one in the name of the city-Shalem is the Evening Star, Jesus claimed to be the Morning Star the fallen arc of venus thus used as a symbolic name for Lucifer-look it up in a collegiate dictionary or Encarta Encyclopedia.

 

[Cougarbear]

1)That was not a refutation
2)you don't know what words mean, what do you think arch malakh means?
Angels are merely A DEFINED word as being messengers, reflections of the Essence, not spirit beings, not winged myths. NT and OT and clergy disclose they can be Rabbis, bishops, cardinals called angels, men.
Even the Pope calls his bishops and cardinals angels =meaning he's the head aka arch angel of his opposition to the Mikdash. Hence the Head Priest of the Temple to come is... . Come on even you can get this one.
How many clues do you need?
The name of Moshiach is in "the Bible" (Mikra).-Melakim {I Kings8:43)and
The Torah-Devarim 14:22
RA in Hebrew=Father in Heaven. =Mike is the Father in Heaven (head of the hosts).
The MIKra (i.e. Bible) says
The name of Moshiach will be in the Temple (Mikdash) in his name that will sit *in the holy city in his name *(Neither the Temple nor city is called JesusDash or YeruJesus).
"dash"="referring to"
the Mikdash is the Building referring to Mike.
Also called Mikdosh (dosh=thresher) cause Moshiach is the thresher who removes the thin veil from our eyes-Isaiah 25:7 like a thresher removes the wheat from the chaff and thin veil from the grain.

Source for his name in the holy city:
“at the site that He shall choose to place His Name”

In Sefer D’varim (12:5, 11, 14, 18, 21; 14:23, 24, 25; 15:20; 16:2, 6, 7, 11, 15, 16; 17:8, 10; 18:6; 26:2; 31:11).the place that I will choose to place My Name. That is referring to YeruShalem because Sifri identifies the place which Hashem will choose (12:18) as "Yerushalayim".
1 Kings 11:36 & In the Words of the Archangel Michael Scroll(4Q529, 6Q23).
Gemarah (Baba Batra 75) Tells us Jerusalem is named after G0D and is the place commemerating his name and essence.
So the Name must be in the name of the City of YeruShalem,
in fact Jesus in Rev 22;16 claimed to be the nemesis of the one in the name of the city-Shalem is the Evening Star, Jesus claimed to be the Morning Star the fallen arc of venus thus used as a symbolic name for Lucifer-look it up in a collegiate dictionary or Encarta Encyclopedia.

Jesus never claimed to be Lucifer or son of the mourning star. Where are you getting all this misinformation and interpretation from? Jehovah Witnesses? I’ll keep it simple, angels are in fact spirit personages (no wings). Michael came down and took control of the body of Adam. Gabriel came down and took the body of Noah. Jehovah came down and took the body of Jesus. Elohim is what we have been told by a true prophet of God is Father in Heaven. We are his spirit children and have descended into our physical bodies. At death, our spirit bodies will ascend to spirit prison with two parts to it, Paradise or Hell. We will await our resurrection and together with Jehovah (Jesus) our dead bodies will again rise as Isaiah put it.

 

[HaShev]

Jesus never claimed to be Lucifer or son of the mourning star. Where are you getting all this misinformation and interpretation from? Jehovah Witnesses? I’ll keep it simple, angels are in fact spirit personages (no wings). Michael came down and took control of the body of Adam. Gabriel came down and took the body of Noah. Jehovah came down and took the body of Jesus. Elohim is what we have been told by a true prophet of God is Father in Heaven. We are his spirit children and have descended into our physical bodies. At death, our spirit bodies will ascend to spirit prison with two parts to it, Paradise or Hell. We will await our resurrection and together with Jehovah (Jesus) our dead bodies will again rise as Isaiah put it.

[See Lucifer here etymology of "": "[ the morning star, a fallen rebel archangel, THE Devil, fr. OE. fr. Latin, the morning star, fr. Lucifer light-bearing, fr. luc light + -fer -ferous--more at LIGHT]" (Webster's, p.677)

So we have the prophetic message more fully confirmed. You will do well to be attentive to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star (LUCIFER)rises in your hearts.” -- 2 Peter 1:19

“... from my Father (Baal's son was the morning star). To the one who conquers(DESTROYS) I will also give the morning star(LUCIFER).” -- Revelation 2:28
· Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things in the churches.
· I am the bright and Morning Star (lucifer)

If you would read right to left like we do then you'd save yourself from
reading 66 books by man=6
Called the Holy Bible =666 in ASCll
AND you would have read the Roman punchline first and gotten their sick joke before it destroyed you.
Once again: Baal is the father they are having you worship.

 

[shimon]

This is an open forum. So, expect others to follow and comment. I find it puzzling that you believe the tree of knowledge is finite. It is for those who stone their prophets. Again, it’s been 2300 years without a prophet for Jews. Not for true Israel. Especially for the tribe of Joseph. We are Ali e and well with prophets and apostles. Men called and led by God to communicate his increasing knowledge to us. Judaism is much like Protestants and Catholics in that your stuck in the past without a future. The Messiah has come once and will come again and show his wounds he received in the house of his friends (Judah). Sound familiar showing the wounds in his hands and feet?

You are delusional and are using circular reasoning to try to prove that your idol Jesus as portrayed in your books of lies is of any use….G-ds true son is Israel as per Exodus 4 ( Son not in a physical sense but in emulating G-d in other ways ) he is Returned( Hashev in Hebrew) to his land and received many wounds in his travels at the hands of his so called friends and his feet were never truly at rest because he was forced to leave place after place by his so called friends….People are so obtuse and can’t see the obvious because they are blinded by their pages and pages of beliefs and lies as found in their books and writings…. They should look up once in awhile and see what is before their eyes… Israel is not going anywhere and he will fulfill what he is supposed to do… The false narratives we see today by the lying scribes in the news are no different then they always have been regarding Israel but he will adapt and overcome…For reference for you this is the third time Israel has Returned…. Your idol Jesus supposedly if I counted correctly returned when a he was resurrected 1: Seen by Paul on the road 2: Of course you Mormons say Smith saw him 3 and if he comes again at some future date 4 But what about all the people who claim to see him in their cornflakes etc etc that would be 5 Of course all those sightings have no proof except Christian’s and mormons and all their sects say so unlike the physical proof of Israel G-do true son standing before all to see for themselves…. The proof is in the pudding and no you will not see your idol Jesus in there either…

 

[BreezeWood]

as long as they realize there is no value in getting “ Nailed” to a plus sign to say the least…

- If you want an honest discussion then great but all these years you have never shown that to be the case ...

you have never had an honest discussion in your life nor anyone that uses a desert bible as their reference to the heavens.

murdering jesus is somehow your naked truth, the tree of life ... false commandments hereditary idolatry religion of apartheid et al, what teacher were they of yours and those congregations that chose those imposters have ever accomplished a single heavenly personification during their presence on planet earth ...

maybe they would have realized had moses been burned alive would have been far more merciful than the plagues they and the other judaism have cast on the glory of heavenly earth.


"getting nailed to a plus sign" - did they beg on their knees for your mercy.

 

[HaShev]

you have never had an honest discussion in your life nor anyone that uses a desert bible as their reference to the heavens.

murdering jesus is somehow your naked truth, the tree of life ... false commandments hereditary idolatry religion of apartheid et al, what teacher were they of yours and those congregations that chose those imposters have ever accomplished a single heavenly personification during their presence on planet earth ...

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maybe they would have realized had moses been burned alive would have been far more merciful than the plagues they and the other judaism have cast on the glory of heavenly earth.


"getting nailed to a plus sign" - did they beg on their knees for your mercy.

You can't even get your own borrowed death scene right, because you have to make an excuse for using the mark of the beast Baal cross.
NT says he was slew (stoned) & hanged
Acts 5:30 "Jesus, whom ye slew (stoned)and hanged on a tree" Acts 10:39 "whom they slew and hanged on a tree" Acts 13:29 "they took him down from the tree" 1 Peter 2:24 "who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree"

 

[hobelim]

Aliens?

Right. Otherworldly living beings. Living creatures that resembled human beings with the semblance of a hand. There are strange new living creatures with abilities above that of mere mortals, causing or curing blindness, walking the earth everywhere, just like there are dead people everywhere. Walking around like regular people. They don't see each other. They only see that they want to see. They don't know that they are dead. You wouldn't know the difference between the living and the dead because you died a very very long time ago.

Even so, even you, dead as you are, may one day become dimly aware of a certain unease in the air, and I'll tell you why.

 

[Cougarbear]

[See Lucifer here etymology of "": "[ the morning star, a fallen rebel archangel, THE Devil, fr. OE. fr. Latin, the morning star, fr. Lucifer light-bearing, fr. luc light + -fer -ferous--more at LIGHT]" (Webster's, p.677)

So we have the prophetic message more fully confirmed. You will do well to be attentive to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star (LUCIFER)rises in your hearts.” -- 2 Peter 1:19

“... from my Father (Baal's son was the morning star). To the one who conquers(DESTROYS) I will also give the morning star(LUCIFER).” -- Revelation 2:28
· Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things in the churches.
· I am the bright and Morning Star (lucifer)

If you would read right to left like we do then you'd save yourself from
reading 66 books by man=6
Called the Holy Bible =666 in ASCll
AND you would have read the Roman punchline first and gotten their sick joke before it destroyed you.
Once again: Baal is the father they are having you worship.

In the Bible, the "morning star" is used to refer to both Jesus and Satan, but with different meanings and contexts. In Isaiah 14:12, Lucifer, a name meaning "light-bringer," is identified as the morning star. This verse, however, is not about the literal planet Venus, but rather a fallen angel, symbolizing pride and downfall. On the other hand, in Revelation 22:16, Jesus refers to himself as the "bright and morning star," representing his divine light, hope, and promise.

There are good “kings” and bad “kings.” Does that mean the good king is bad because he uses the same “word” to describe himself as a leader? You should Google this topic and study Christian responses to get a full picture. And not JWs!!!

 

[irosie91]

In the Bible, the "morning star" is used to refer to both Jesus and Satan, but with different meanings and contexts. In Isaiah 14:12, Lucifer, a name meaning "light-bringer," is identified as the morning star. This verse, however, is not about the literal planet Venus, but rather a fallen angel, symbolizing pride and downfall. On the other hand, in Revelation 22:16, Jesus refers to himself as the "bright and morning star," representing his divine light, hope, and promise.

There are good “kings” and bad “kings.” Does that mean the good king is bad because he uses the same “word” to describe himself as a leader? You should Google this topic and study Christian responses to get a full picture. And not JWs!!!

when in ancient literature did the morning star (to wit Venus) show up as a symbol --specifically
in hebrew literature? ANYONE?

 

[Cougarbear]

You are delusional and are using circular reasoning to try to prove that your idol Jesus as portrayed in your books of lies is of any use….G-ds true son is Israel as per Exodus 4 ( Son not in a physical sense but in emulating G-d in other ways ) he is Returned( Hashev in Hebrew) to his land and received many wounds in his travels at the hands of his so called friends and his feet were never truly at rest because he was forced to leave place after place by his so called friends….People are so obtuse and can’t see the obvious because they are blinded by their pages and pages of beliefs and lies as found in their books and writings…. They should look up once in awhile and see what is before their eyes… Israel is not going anywhere and he will fulfill what he is supposed to do… The false narratives we see today by the lying scribes in the news are no different then they always have been regarding Israel but he will adapt and overcome…For reference for you this is the third time Israel has Returned…. Your idol Jesus supposedly if I counted correctly returned when a he was resurrected 1: Seen by Paul on the road 2: Of course you Mormons say Smith saw him 3 and if he comes again at some future date 4 But what about all the people who claim to see him in their cornflakes etc etc that would be 5 Of course all those sightings have no proof except Christian’s and mormons and all their sects say so unlike the physical proof of Israel G-do true son standing before all to see for themselves…. The proof is in the pudding and no you will not see your idol Jesus in there either…

You are using your own books over and over attempting to prove your points. That’s circular reasoning. We interject new revelation from God ending circular reasoning.
Now, read about the end of the world ushering in the millennium in Zechariah 12-14. The Lord will stand in the midst of the separated Mt. of Olives and one will ask a question, “6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.”
Jesus Christ is your Lord.

 

[irosie91]

You are using your own books over and over attempting to prove your points. That’s circular reasoning. We interject new revelation from God ending circular reasoning.
Now, read about the end of the world ushering in the millennium in Zechariah 12-14. The Lord will stand in the midst of the separated Mt. of Olives and one will ask a question, “6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.”
Jesus Christ is your Lord.

nice sophistry

 

[hobelim]

You are using your own books over and over attempting to prove your points.

What blindness!

When a person reads a book it is about one thing or another. When it says in the OT, "God is not a man, so he does not lie; he is not human, so he does not change his mind." It refutes any claim to the contrary in the NT about God becoming an edible sacrificial human being. Not to mention that all on its own, the belief is absurd.

Now either you have misinterpreted the words in your own holy book, misunderstood, or it is complete bullshit.

Simple.

Is it too hard for someone who professes to believe that God became a man to believe you have been misled?

Have you forgotten that you live on earth? In a world without shape or form, lawless, and void, pointless, where darkness covers the face of the deep, teeming with predatory beasts always on the prowl for suckers?

 

[irosie91]

What blindness.

When a person reads a book it is about one thing or another. When it says in the OT, "God is not a man, so he does not lie; he is not human, so he does not change his mind." It refutes any claim to the contrary in the NT about God becoming an edible sacrificial human being. Not to mention that all on its own, the belief is absurd.

Now either you have misinterpreted the words in your own holy book or it is complete bullshit.

Simple.

it's all poetry----I thing that I shall never see .......a poem lovely as a tree