Zone1 Hebrews 1:8 says Jesus is God

[hobelim]

G-ds true son is Israel as per Exodus 4 ( Son not in a physical sense but in emulating G-d in other ways)

In Isaiah 52:14-15 a clear distinction is made between Israel and Gods son.

"Time was when many were aghast at you, my people, so now many nations recoil at sight of him and kings curl their lips in disgust; for they see what they had never been told and things unheard before fill their thoughts."

 

[hobelim]

it's all poetry----I thing that I shall never see .......a poem lovely as a tree

You do know that, like poetry, the figurative language used in scripture is about something. The meaning of what was written not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used effectively burying the subjects so that many walk above it without realizing there is treasure buried and hidden beneath their feet.

 

[irosie91]

In Isaiah 52:14-15 a clear distinction is made between Israel and Gods son.

"Time was when many were aghast at you, my people, so now many nations recoil at sight of him and kings curl their lips in disgust; for they see what they had never been told and things unheard before fill their thoughts."

seems kinda nonspecific to me

 

[hobelim]

seems kinda nonspecific to me

So you didn't notice the clear distinction made between Israel, "my people", and "him', the suffering servant?

 

[irosie91]

You do know that, like poetry, the figurative language used in scripture is about something. The meaning of what was written not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used effectively burying the subjects so that many people walk above it without realizing there is treasure buried and hidden beneath their feet.

the key to the understanding of the figurative language in the OT is (drumroll) in the hands of
the people who wrote it.!!! the key to the understanding of the figurative language in the NT
(two measures on the bassoon) is in the hands of the polyglot of which the nicean council
consisted and the materials it sourced.

 

[irosie91]

So you didn't notice the clear distinction made between Israel, "my people", and "him', the suffering servant?

you are quoting a translation---ain't nuthin CLEAR about it

 

[hobelim]

you are quoting a translation---ain't nuthin CLEAR about it

That's the thing about holy writ. It translates perfectly into every language like the command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate. Anyone with a grade school education can figure that one out.

 

[irosie91]

That's the thing about holy writ. It translates perfectly into every language like the command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate. Anyone with a grade school education can figure that one out.

uhm.....oh YEAH ----clear as day-----sorta

 

[Cougarbear]

What blindness!

When a person reads a book it is about one thing or another. When it says in the OT, "God is not a man, so he does not lie; he is not human, so he does not change his mind." It refutes any claim to the contrary in the NT about God becoming an edible sacrificial human being. Not to mention that all on its own, the belief is absurd.

Now either you have misinterpreted the words in your own holy book, misunderstood, or it is complete bullshit.

Simple.

Is it too hard for someone who professes to believe that God became a man to believe you have been misled?

Have you forgotten that you live on earth? In a world without shape or form, lawless, and void, pointless, where darkness covers the face of the deep, teeming with predatory beasts always on the prowl for suckers?

Another example of using your own shallow understanding of what the scriptures say in our day. That's why that second book Ezekiel says will come forth and has is so important. It helps bridge the gap of understanding and faulty reasoning. Take "man" and "human." Human are what we are in our present state on earth. We are all falling short the glory of God. Currently, two members of the Godhead, Father and Son, have glorified bodies or are glorified men where they do not lie. human and man are not the same in this instance.

 

[Donald H]

That's the thing about holy writ. It translates perfectly into every language like the command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate. Anyone with a grade school education can figure that one out.

The trouble is hobelim, most grade school children have figured out that the unclean animals idea is silly. Even the jews!

 

[hobelim]

The trouble is hobelim, most grade school children have figured out that the unclean animals idea is silly.

You don't understand. People have been comparing other people to other creatures, insects, beasts, and birds, in nature to either praise or insult in every language, nation, and tribe, on earth, ever since people could talk.

The specific reason that swine have been designated by God to be unclean creatures, whose flesh (teaching) defiles and contaminates (the mind) is because THEY DO NOT RUMINATE, exactly like the faithful in whatever religion who "just believe" without thinking deeply about the insanity they are letting take root in the minds.

It may be silly to believe the subject of Kosher law is about food, but the deeper implications will never be silly.

Many believers here openly demonstrate the terrifying and deeply disturbing consequences for setting aside that simple instruction, but so do many unbelievers. Even commies like you who "just believe" that Putin is trying to save the Ukraine from nazis by invading the country, dropping bombs, killing innocent civilians indiscriminately.

You filthy animal...

 

[BreezeWood]

That's the thing about holy writ. It translates perfectly into every language ...

why then is nothing known written by jesus for "clarity" - nor more curiously why a contemporary stone etching or clay relief or even a sketch is known to exist for their likeness.

hard to believe their deliberation is so finely tuned as the cause for their own lack of notoriety nor would that be possible for so many as claimed to have been involved.

truly though the heavenly spoken religion of antiquity / goal for judgement and admission to the everlasting - the triumph of good vs evil - is eternal and will never be mistranslated. surly spoken repeatedly by jesus throughout their tenure.

“Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani”

these words are known to have been spoken by jesus - despite judaisms denial - from a cross.

 

[Donald H]

You don't understand. People have been comparing other people to other creatures, insects, beasts, and birds, in nature to either praise or insult in every language, nation, and tribe on earth, ever since people could talk.

The specific reason that swine have been designated by God as unclean creatures, whose flesh (teaching) defiles and contaminates (the mind) is because THEY DO NOT RUMINATE, exactly like the faithful in whatever religion who "just believe" without thinking deeply about the insanity they are letting take root in the minds.

It may be silly to believe the subject of Kosher law is about food, but the deeper implications will never be silly.

Many believers here openly demonstrate the terrifying and deeply disturbing consequences for setting aside that simple instruction, but so do many unbelievers. Even commies like you who "just believe" that Putin is trying to save the Ukraine from nazis with bombs and take over the country by killing innocent civilians indiscriminately.

You filthy animal...

You're right about calling me an animal.

And I had a shower with soap about a month ago.

 

[hobelim]

You're right about calling me an animal.

And I had a shower with soap about a month ago.

I shower once a month too! Whether I need it or not!

But please explain how is it that every time I squeeze your addled head a foul and smelly pus comes oozing out.

You must cleanse your mind from all the commie bullshit people have crammed down your throat ever since you were a tender and supple little lad.

Don't be afraid.

Rising from the dead is as easy or as difficult as it is for a person to be honest with themselves and others.

You can do it!

 

[irosie91]

You don't understand. People have been comparing other people to other creatures, insects, beasts, and birds, in nature to either praise or insult in every language, nation, and tribe on earth, ever since people could talk.

The specific reason that swine have been designated by God as unclean creatures, whose flesh (teaching) defiles and contaminates (the mind) is because THEY DO NOT RUMINATE, exactly like the faithful in whatever religion who "just believe" without thinking deeply about the insanity they are letting take root in the minds.

It may be silly to believe the subject of Kosher law is about food, but the deeper implications will never be silly.

Many believers here openly demonstrate the terrifying and deeply disturbing consequences for setting aside that simple instruction, but so do many unbelievers. Even commies like you who "just believe" that Putin is trying to save the Ukraine from nazis with bombs and take over the country by killing innocent civilians indiscriminately.

You filthy animal...

calm youself, HOBIE----donnie is confused by the word "unclean"----which actually does not exist
in the "TORAH" as a description of the noble and non-ruminating pig. and various other disallowed
foods and activities and material stuff. "UNCLEAN" is an example of the pitfalls of translations.
The word, itself, annoys people. A more logical albeit not poetic translation would be a simple
"disallowed" No pig should be MALIGNED for not rechewing regurgitated food not should it
be considered a creature, thereby, lacking in THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION.

 

[irosie91]

why then is nothing known written by jesus for "clarity" - nor more curiously why a contemporary stone etching or clay relief or even a sketch is known to exist for their likeness.

hard to believe their deliberation is so finely tuned as the cause for their own lack of notoriety nor would that be possible for so many as claimed to have been involved.

truly though the heavenly spoken religion of antiquity / goal for judgement and admission to the everlasting - the triumph of good vs evil - is eternal and will never be mistranslated. surly spoken repeatedly by jesus throughout their tenure.



these words are known to have been spoken by jesus - despite judaisms denial - from a cross.

I have never known a jew who claimed that Jesus as he slowly died nailed to a cross---ROMAN
HOLIDAY---did not say -----the ELI ELI thing-----likely thousands of crucified pharisees did
so

 

[hobelim]

calm youself, HOBIE--

OK, hold on! Let me get my medication!..... .....Ahhhhhhh. that's better.

donnie is confused by the word "unclean"----which actually does not exist
in the "TORAH" as a description of the noble and non-ruminating pig. and various other disallowed
foods and activities and material stuff. "UNCLEAN" is an example of the pitfalls of translations.
The word, itself, annoys people. A more logical albeit not poetic translation would be a simple
"disallowed" No pig should be MALIGNED for not rechewing regurgitated food not should it
be considered a creature, thereby, lacking in THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION.

Calm yourself, ROSIE. I am just toying with donnie, cat and mouse. You could have just said YOU understand.

 

[irosie91]

OK, hold on! Let me get my medication! ROSIE.....Ahhhhhhh. that's better.


I am toying with donnie cat and mouse. Calm yourself. You could have just said that you understand.

a LACONIC "I understand" would be misconstrued as lack of INSIGHT by the public
cyberspace peanut gallery

 

[hobelim]

a LACONIC "I understand" would be misconstrued as lack of INSIGHT by the public
cyberspace peanut gallery

So what? Wassup? Are you afraid of being hung from a tree or something? flogged? Deported to El Salvador?

Say it ain't so!

 

[irosie91]

So what? Wassup? Are you afraid of being hung from a tree or something? flogged? Deported to El Salvador?

Say it ain't so!

I wish to express my highly laudatory opinions in a manner that the "masses" can digest