Zone1 Hebrews 1:8 says Jesus is God

[HaShev]

Nice try. How stupid do you think I am. I'm not Catholic. Nor am I protestant. Jesus Christ is Jehovah, not Michael. Jesus Christ is the Son of the Father, as we all are sons of God. As it states in John 10:34, Jesus states he is Jehovah. Simple logic and reason says this as he states he told the people he said the "ye are gods." The Arch Angel is Michael. Michael became Adam.

In Judaism Moshiach is a servant not served-book of Isaiah
Moshiach is not God, Moshiach is a reflection and manifestation of that Essence. ONLY THE FALLEN SON OF PERDITION would be forbidden claimed a god in the hands of
" the seas " (i.e. Rome)-Ezekiel 28
Sources:
Isaiah 42:8 we can't pray to any image of anything physical- Exodus 20:3-7 and Deuteronomy 5:8-10

God is not a man nor form-(Isaiah 2:22, 14:13, I Samuel 15:29, Numbers 23:19, and Hosea 11:9, Deuteronomy 4:11-12 and the 13 major principles of the Jewish faith based on the Rambam's teaching of "ain lo demus haguf ve'ayno guf" -- that Hashem has no physical form.)

The Gemarah (Baba Batra 75) Tells us Jerusalem is named after G0D and is the place commemorating his name(description)& essence.

In Sefer D’varim (12:5, 11, 14, 18, 21; 14:23,24, 25; 15:20; 16:2, 6, 7, 11, 15, 16; 17:8, 10; 18:6; 26:2; 31:11).the place that I will choose to place My Name(the messenger of God shares this name and reflects this Essence). That is referring to YeruShalem because Sifri identifies the place which Hashem will choose (12:18) as “Yerushalayim”.

Shalem means completeness/wholeness thus describing the Essence to be all we could and should be aka evolve/progress.

YeruShalem would carry the name. (1 Kings 11:36 &

in dead sea scrolls: Words of the Archangel Michael scroll 4Q529, 6Q23)

Why is it in the top messenger's scroll?

Because Shalem is the Evening Star (Michael who rises-Dan 12:1-4)

SINCE GOD (an Essence describing creations most finite source) IS NOT A MAN (NOT ANTHROPROMORPHIC) then it's the mediator (metatron) aka (top messenger) who is manifesting-reflecting and emulating that essence & has to describe that Essence to mankind as a mediator between God and Man.

In laymen terms when we go against the part about Anthropromorphizing God, then we are idolizing a figure and form from our minds, and that creates false pretenses and reliances on a physical figure like I said before, which then misses the processes and steps and our own work it takes to bring about that progression in stages to become stable complete and whole (Shalem).
In other words you place an image of a man as an idol and his compiled plagiarized story and use it to hinder the Essence and lose sight of the reflection & manifestation of that Essence.

 

[Cougarbear]

In Judaism Moshiach is a servant not served-book of Isaiah
Moshiach is not God, Moshiach is a reflection and manifestation of that Essence. ONLY THE FALLEN SON OF PERDITION would be forbidden claimed a god in the hands of
" the seas " (i.e. Rome)-Ezekiel 28
Sources:
Isaiah 42:8 we can't pray to any image of anything physical- Exodus 20:3-7 and Deuteronomy 5:8-10

God is not a man nor form-(Isaiah 2:22, 14:13, I Samuel 15:29, Numbers 23:19, and Hosea 11:9, Deuteronomy 4:11-12 and the 13 major principles of the Jewish faith based on the Rambam's teaching of "ain lo demus haguf ve'ayno guf" -- that Hashem has no physical form.)

The Gemarah (Baba Batra 75) Tells us Jerusalem is named after G0D and is the place commemorating his name(description)& essence.

In Sefer D’varim (12:5, 11, 14, 18, 21; 14:23,24, 25; 15:20; 16:2, 6, 7, 11, 15, 16; 17:8, 10; 18:6; 26:2; 31:11).the place that I will choose to place My Name(the messenger of God shares this name and reflects this Essence). That is referring to YeruShalem because Sifri identifies the place which Hashem will choose (12:18) as “Yerushalayim”.

Shalem means completeness/wholeness thus describing the Essence to be all we could and should be aka evolve/progress.

YeruShalem would carry the name. (1 Kings 11:36 &

in dead sea scrolls: Words of the Archangel Michael scroll 4Q529, 6Q23)

Why is it in the top messenger's scroll?

Because Shalem is the Evening Star (Michael who rises-Dan 12:1-4)

SINCE GOD (an Essence describing creations most finite source) IS NOT A MAN (NOT ANTHROPROMORPHIC) then it's the mediator (metatron) aka (top messenger) who is manifesting-reflecting and emulating that essence & has to describe that Essence to mankind as a mediator between God and Man.

In laymen terms when we go against the part about Anthropromorphizing God, then we are idolizing a figure and form from our minds, and that creates false pretenses and reliances on a physical figure like I said before, which then misses the processes and steps and our own work it takes to bring about that progression in stages to become stable complete and whole (Shalem).
In other words you place an image of a man as an idol and his compiled plagiarized story and use it to hinder the Essence and lose sight of the reflection & manifestation of that Essence.

Isaiah 2:22, "Cease ye from man, whoe breath is in his nostrils. God has nostrils. He's a man then. Glorified man.
You have your translation which is suspect. Michael is the Arch Angel, not Son of God. Jesus is the Son of God, messiah, and the 2nd member of the Godhead. He's not the Father God. That is Elohim. Jesus tried to teach the Israelites, mostly Jews. But their hearts were hardened. Only those who did not limit themselves to only what is written, were able to be taught greater truths concerning the things of God. The Bible is not the only word of God. The Book of Mormon is also the Word of God. The Stick of Joseph through Ephraim. Together, they are one in our hands now. you reject half of the truth of OT and NT times. I don't.

 

[BreezeWood]

Then why are you condemning those you don't believe correctly understand his words?

by their actions and results to knowingly use the 1st century as their foil to persecute and victimize the innocent.

 

[shimon]

Isaiah 2:22, "Cease ye from man, whoe breath is in his nostrils. God has nostrils. He's a man then. Glorified man.
You have your translation which is suspect. Michael is the Arch Angel, not Son of God. Jesus is the Son of God, messiah, and the 2nd member of the Godhead. He's not the Father God. That is Elohim. Jesus tried to teach the Israelites, mostly Jews. But their hearts were hardened. Only those who did not limit themselves to only what is written, were able to be taught greater truths concerning the things of God. The Bible is not the only word of God. The Book of Mormon is also the Word of God. The Stick of Joseph through Ephraim. Together, they are one in our hands now. you reject half of the truth of OT and NT times. I don't.

Not that I like to get in between others when they are having a conversation but what part of Deutoronomy do you not understand where it says What thing what soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it… Did not the Book of Mormon come many years after the fact those words were written not just in Deutoronomy but in other places .. Whatpart of adding or subtracting do you not get… Is math not your strong suit even little Johnny got it right when his parents at whits end couldn’t get him to learn math and as a last recourse they sent him to catholic school where after the first day he studied and studied till he finally was rewarded with an A .. His parents were flabbergasted and they asked him why after going to so many schools and not learning math he was finally learning it…. His answer was when he walked into the school that first day and he saw a man nailed to the plus sign he knew they meant business and he knew he better learn quickly or that would be his fate as well….. Moral of the story some people are slow learners some never learn but with the proper motivation and incentive even the most obtuse can finally learn and grow as long as they realize there is no value in getting “ Nailed” to a plus sign to say the least…

 

[BreezeWood]

- as long as they realize there is no value in getting “ Nailed” to a plus sign to say the least…

- certainly not for the criminals and their silver coins ... to then believe who they were waiting for will ever appear - and greet them for their grizzly deed.

 

[HaShev]

Isaiah 2:22, "Cease ye from man, whoe breath is in his nostrils. God has nostrils. He's a man then. Glorified man.
You have your translation which is suspect. Michael is the Arch Angel, not Son of God. Jesus is the Son of God, messiah, and the 2nd member of the Godhead. He's not the Father God. That is Elohim. Jesus tried to teach the Israelites, mostly Jews. But their hearts were hardened. Only those who did not limit themselves to only what is written, were able to be taught greater truths concerning the things of God. The Bible is not the only word of God. The Book of Mormon is also the Word of God. The Stick of Joseph through Ephraim. Together, they are one in our hands now. you reject half of the truth of OT and NT times. I don't.

>>You have your translation which is suspect

IF you read the OT it should be the Tanakh version not the Roman version.
You wouldn't read a manual on flying a plane written by a boating instructor would you?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

but what part of Deutoronomy do you not understand where it says What thing what soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it…

So you should accept none of the Books written after Deuteronomy

 

[irosie91]

So you should accept none of the Books written after Deuteronomy

that what "after" do you refer---Deuteronomy describes details of "law"

 

[hobelim]

You're not....

So your response to what I said, no one who does not do what is right is righteous, and Jesus was just the Jewish man described in Deuteronomy 18:18, and not a trinity that became a human sacrifice so that "believers" who go to church every now and then to celebrate his death, worship, and eat him on their knees in the form of a lifeless piece of bread MADE BY HUMAN HANDS and handed out like a cheap snack food, can sin with impunity for life and not die "the death" for openly and brazenly setting aside Divine Law and desecrating the Words of Jesus that form the BODY OF HIS TEACHING effectively worshiping the Antichrist, a false substitute counterfeit Jesus, a trinity that became a mangod, whose supernatural "miracles of the lie" that scripture is to be taken literally, conjured from the depths of a Roman hell and unleashed on the world in 325ce., is that I am not right?

Even given the shameful bloody history of your Church worshiping an imaginary man that claimed to be a god?

Seriously?

You don't have an inkling that your Church is entirely dedicated to desecrating the Body of Christ and defying the Law of God? Even though that is what you are openly doing at Mass? Week after week after week after week?

And some people don't believe in curses. Imagine that!

Oh well..

Eternal life is not for everyone.

 

[hobelim]

hobie has an interesting and IMAGINATIVE "mishnah" on the Torah---to wit---an
interpretation . It (his interpretation) acts as a bridge between jewish ethos and
christian ethos. ----weekend coffee table conversation

Thanks Rosie. It is extremely fulfilling for me to know that you, an intelligent no nonsense Jewess, can see that.

 

[Ace Nova]

nothing less than or more than what.

You were there too, yes?

Some form of you was.

That is what I believe.

 

[Ace Nova]

Grrrr! "A proverb in the mouth of a fool is like a thorn in the hand of a drunkard."

"The sword" that Jesus said he came to bring is a curse under the appearance of a cup of wine.

"Take from my hand this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it: When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them." Jeremiah 25:15

Your tongue, dripping with the blood of many foul and loathsome creatures, betrays the secrets of your dark soul. Your deepest secret fears. You are an idolator who teaches others to do the same which amounts to murder in the same way that Jesus meant by saying "Satan was a murderer from the beginning" (of the fairy tale). Murderer.


"He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword."




Your tongue only irrefutably proves that the sword that came out of the mouth of Jesus, "From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which TO SMITE THE NATIONS" (Revelation 19:15) still works like a charm! Numbskull.

You defy the Law of God religiously, and teach others to do the same, and so you died "the death" a very long time ago. Don't take it too hard, you get to live under your strange delusions for the rest of your days. Gen 3:14

YOU HAVE YOUR REWARD ALREADY!

Enjoy!

I do - eternal life - and for that I am grateful.

How about we start working on you?

 

[Ace Nova]

Awesome!

Good song.

 

[Ace Nova]

Its a gas!

Another good song. I like your taste in music.

 

[Ace Nova]

Sure, If you say so!

It was blissful - the first two songs you posted were nice - this one, on the other hand - is eating away at my bliss.

 

[hobelim]

How about we start working on you?

How many of you are there?

What name do y'all go by? Wait a minute! Is that you again Legion? Long time no see? Still joined to a herd of swine stampeding off a cliff breaking your bones on the rocks below, over and over and over and over again?

Cool.

 

[Meriweather]

Oh well..

Yep

 

[BreezeWood]

- acts as a bridge between jewish ethos and
christian ethos.

Thanks Rosie. It is extremely fulfilling for me to know that you, an intelligent no nonsense Jewess, can see that.

sure it is -

one corruption for another how there can be a clergy for either and including islam that has performed as they have throughout recorded history is the single most blatant indictment against civility and honest for humanity there is among all living beings on planet earth.

 

[irosie91]

sure it is -

one corruption for another how there can be a clergy for either and including islam that has performed as they have throughout recorded history is the single most blatant indictment against civility and honest for humanity there is among all living beings on planet earth.

thanks for your input, breezie

 

[hobelim]

sure it is -

one corruption for another how there can be a clergy for either and including islam that has performed as they have throughout recorded history is the single most blatant indictment against civility and honest for humanity there is among all living beings on planet earth.

Stop whining. I am creating a new heaven and a new earth, new firmament upon which all people of good will whatever their race or religion or unbelief can find common ground upon which to live together in peace.