Zone1 Hebrews 1:8 says Jesus is God

[Cougarbear]

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time (days): and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time (days).

If Jesus was spirit Mary M wouldn't have been able to physically touch him, therefore he was flesh and blood. When he returned he was also flesh and blood, even though he could walk through walls. Thomas touched his flesh/hand.

He was going to ascend to his "father", the Ancient of Days, to be accepted as the fulfillment of the wave sheaf offering.

You are mixing two separate accounts after his death. Mary’s account is prior to his resurrection and Jesus told her NOT to try and touch her. The accounts of the apostles and disciples touching him were after his resurrection. Interesting that he left the prints in of the nails because our resurrected bodies will be perfect without a hair on our heads missing. And we too will still be able to eat. So simple and logical.

 

[luiza]

do you feel that way about the angel JIBRIL who
whispered the ENTIRE KORAN into the ear of
AL NABI MUHUMMAD?

You are being an arsehole -- I understand that is the way common people like you speak .

Your assertion is as relevant as me asking you how you enjoyed your three year prison sentence for child abuse .

Both assertions are wrong . At least hopefully in your case .
Please deny and put our mind's at rest , and resist the temptation to make yourself a complete fool in public.

 

[Woodznutz]

You are mixing two separate accounts after his death. Mary’s account is prior to his resurrection and Jesus told her NOT to try and touch her. The accounts of the apostles and disciples touching him were after his resurrection. Interesting that he left the prints in of the nails because our resurrected bodies will be perfect without a hair on our heads missing. And we too will still be able to eat. So simple and logical.

The whole account occurs after Jesus' resurrection. That Thomas was able to "touch" Jesus meant that he had ascended "to the Ancient of Days", his father, and returned.

 

[Foxfyre]

The Father himself is speaking in Hebrews 1 and says in verse 8 that Jesus, His Son, is to be called God as well. Now, Colossians 2:9 makes sense. "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Verse 8 then says not to follow the philosophy and vain deceit after the traditions of men. This means to only follow prophets and apostles who teach through the spirit of God and not the secular non-prophets of the Unitarians like Jehovah Witnesses and their non-prophet so called scholars.

As Jesus Himself said in John 10: "

Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father.


But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”

And the Gospel of John opens with the words:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. . . .

. . .
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ ”)

I think the New Testament writers accepted that Jesus was God with us for his short time on Earth, and Jesus was/is God. I also think those who believe God the Father and Jesus the Son are two separate beings are okay with God who doesn't care all that much about our theology. He cares more about our love for Him and others that He has created, our willingness to do good, to be a blessing, follow His leading via the Holy Spirit, to be His witness for the time we have here on Planet Earth.

 

[irosie91]

That made no sense. Want to try again?

In the context it means the oldest human. The verse dictates the Son didn’t go to the Father. He was going to Adam who originally received the Keys of the High Priest Jesus Christ.

OH that makes sense

 

[luiza]

It's so lovely here in the Fake News Forum .
Cultists punching and spitting .

Never sure of the details behind their Fairy Story for children .
Each one of them a rabid Conspiracy Merchant intent on sowing Control and Guilt , but using the poor Essene monk as their false battering ram .

It's like watching the Devil's children at play .
Cult Christians --- "The Evil Sect "should be your calling card .

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I to had real problems with the Deity issue as many folks do. The problem for mankind is the Deity cannot be explained by man with theoretical physics/math, which leaves faith as the only other option available to humanity to explain the Deity. Since 'faith' does not consist of anything physical/tangible let alone valuable such as gold, platinum, food etc. the term 'faith' is then relegated to just a concept or @ best an abstract ideology to many folks. I'd say many if not most of us accept our Deity on faith alone only after we have been driven to our knees from anything & everything from losing loved ones to poverty & every fiasco that can happen in between. Get hit hard enough & even the hardest of heads will yield to the inevitable.

Yeah, the JW's have the same problem the statist left has & that's their hive mentality. That strength in numbers group/herd mentality is a sure fire way to lose contact with our Maker, like nothing quite like putting the congregation ahead of Jesus the created sacrificial 'a-n-g-e-l'!!! The unitarians are pushing for the "One World Without Borders" religion & we know where that ends up. I have family down around the general area of Twin Falls Idaho that got roped into the mormon cult. It's all heading into what I call the "comedy of errors" era, as humanity tries to save itself from humanity(cat chasing it's tail).

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Jesus is fully God and fully Man.


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[luiza]

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Jesus is fully God and fully Man.


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What a great Circus act if he could do it daily and twice on a Saturday .

Could I do lighting and Sound Effects ?

 

[Votto]

One of the disciples of Jesus, Thomas, had this to say after he saw Jesus after the resurrection. He told Jesus that unless he could see his wounds from the crucifixion he would not believe, and Jesus showed him, causing the following exchange. He even put his hand in his wound. And that is why he is referred to as "doubting Thomas".

John 20:28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

 

[hobelim]

The dynamic of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is something that we cannot know and understand until we're in Heaven.

The doctrine is based on several misunderstood passages. There is only one God who has two human witnesses.

Then I asked the angel, “What are these two olive trees on the right and the left of the lampstand?”Again I asked him, “What are these two olive branches beside the two gold pipes that pour out golden oil?” He replied, “Do you not know what these are? “No, my lord,” I said “These are the two who are anointed to serve the Lord of all the earth.” Zechariah 4:11-14

"Then I took My two staffs" (with which to lead the flock) Zechariah 11:7,

And I will give power and authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” These witnesses are the two olive trees and two lamp stands that stand in attendance before the Lord of all the earth. If anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouths and devours their enemies. In this way, anyone who seeks to them harm must be killed.…Revelation 11:1-14

"On either side of the river there was a tree of life, (2) bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations." Revelation 22:2

The interesting thing to note is that Jesus said that he was the first and the last. "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd."

 

[DStar777]

The Father himself is speaking in Hebrews 1 and says in verse 8 that Jesus, His Son, is to be called God as well.

What does that mean? Psalm 82:6 calls you and others gods too. Does that mean you are God? Satan is called the God of this world (2 Cor 4:4). Jesus himself quotes Psalm 82:6 to the Jews who want to stone him (John 10:34-36). I'm thinking "God" or "god" or "gods" depending on context is a title or label given to many beings. It doesn't mean these beings are actual deities.

 

[luiza]

One of the disciples of Jesus, Thomas, had this to say after he saw Jesus after the resurrection. He told Jesus that unless he could see his wounds from the crucifixion he would not believe, and Jesus showed him, causing the following exchange. He even put his hand in his wound. And that is why he is referred to as "doubting Thomas".

John 20:28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Bloody Thomas would have been more acxcurate .

 

[hobelim]

What does that mean? Psalm 82:6 calls you and others gods too.

In Hebrew the word for gods, elohim, also means judges. In the context of Jesus quoting this passage it means that "to whom the law was delivered were called Elohim, judges, (of the Law), not gods.

 

[ding]

The doctrine is based on several misunderstood passages. There is only one God who has two human witnesses.

Then I asked the angel, “What are these two olive trees on the right and the left of the lampstand?”Again I asked him, “What are these two olive branches beside the two gold pipes that pour out golden oil?” He replied, “Do you not know what these are? “No, my lord,” I said “These are the two who are anointed to serve the Lord of all the earth.” Zechariah 4:11-14

"Then I took My two staffs" (with which to lead the flock) Zechariah 11:7,

And I will give power and authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” These witnesses are the two olive trees and two lamp stands that stand in attendance before the Lord of all the earth. If anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouths and devours their enemies. In this way, anyone who seeks to them harm must be killed.…Revelation 11:1-14

"On either side of the river there was a tree of life, (2) bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations." Revelation 22:2

The interesting thing to note is that Jesus said that he was the first and the last. "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd."

The gospel according to hobelim?

all of Israel will be saved.

I bear the great seal of the living God. Prophecy fulfilled.

every time you defy the law of my God

I can't see the good in doing what has been forbidden by my God.

you act like you can escape the hand of my God in this world or the next

You brazenly defy the Law that prohibits idolatry...

You are already dead, in hell, and well along the way that leads to endless destruction.

I always do exactly as God commands. I am keystone in the Yahad of God; the habitation of light. No one else in heaven, on earth, or under the earth, can do what I have already done...

You are in hell under the dominion, care, of a spirit of perversity.

You have sold your soul for the satanic lie, a promise that you will receive eternal life when you die physically after living for your entire life like a schnook by doing exactly what the Bible teaches results in death hell and ultimately destruction.

You have set aside the Law of God...

you are an idolator...

I am creating a new heaven and a new earth in full view of all believers and unbelievers alike

 

[ding]

Preach on, religious nutjob!!!

 

[hobelim]

Preach on, religious nutjob!!!

Jesus said, "I HAVE NOT COME TO BRING PEACE BUT DIVISION" LUKE 12:51

I think people who create conflict and DIVISION between religions and within religions are pieces of shit.

No need for me to preach. I have better things to do. Your own posts have revealed enough already! Your own words and deeds will convince even the most devout atheist and believer to take a closer look at scripture.

Out of the sheer terror of suffering your fate.

 

[ding]

Jesus said, "I HAVE NOT COME TO BRING PEACE BUT DIVISION" LUKE 12:51



No need for me to preach. I have better things to do.

Your own words and deeds will convince even the most devout atheist to take a closer look at scripture.

That you think you are Jesus only confirms your status as this boards biggest religious nutjob.

 

[toobfreak]

Hebrews 1:8 says Jesus is God​

The Father himself is speaking in Hebrews 1 and says in verse 8 that Jesus, His Son, is to be called God as well. Now, Colossians 2:9 makes sense. "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Verse 8 then says not to follow the philosophy and vain deceit after the traditions of men. This means to only follow prophets and apostles who teach through the spirit of God and not the secular non-prophets of the Unitarians like Jehovah Witnesses and their non-prophet so called scholars.

What confuses me first is how the Bible became its own source of verification. By that, I mean that in essence, the BIBLE is confirming the veracity of itself and to ignore all other sources. How does that work? Where else in science or literature are we given a reference standard whose basis of authority and veracity lays WITHIN itself instead of without?

The second question I have is about Hebrews. That book was written roughly 70 years after Jesus' death--- who was alive at that time who would know and be able to affirm with authority that Jesus was God when they would have had to be about 90 years old at the time of writing Hebrews to have actually known Jesus as an adult before he died?

 

[Votto]

What confuses me first is how the Bible became its own source of verification. By that, I mean that in essence, the BIBLE is confirming the veracity of itself and to ignore all other sources. How does that work? Where else in science or literature are we given a reference standard whose basis of authority and veracity lays WITHIN itself instead of without?

The second question I have is about Hebrews. That book was written roughly 70 years after Jesus' death--- who was alive at that time who would know and be able to affirm with authority that Jesus was God when they would have had to be about 90 years old at the time of writing Hebrews to have actually known Jesus as an adult before he died?

I look at it this way, most religious texts are written by the head of the said religion. Anyone can do that and have in the past. But the Bible is different. The Bible is written by a group of people writing about the same God over a span of thousands of years, each with their unique perspectives about God yet cohesive enough to allowed in the same book. As for Jesus, you have 4 eyewitness accounts of Jesus in the 4 gospels as he never writes about himself, which I think is far more powerful than having him write about himself. In fact, in each gospel there are slight variations which shows they were not trying to copy each other.

But the Bible also includes the good, the bad, and the ugly, holding nothing back and letting the world see all the warts and flaws of the followers of God, making it far more believable than other religious texts which paint their religious leaders as perfect in every respect, which is not believable unless you are God in the flesh like Christ was purported to be.

The Bible also is the only religious text I know of that is used by science, namely, Biblical Archaeology. Scientists recognize that the text has enough veracity to use it to locate digs.

And of course, the veracity of the Bible is also shown in the religious teachings as well as prophesy itself. In fact, how many ancient religions still exist today like the God of the Bible? The Bible correctly predicts that the religion will not only live on, but the nation of Israel would even return which it did in the 20th century. And the Bible indicates that the Holy Land would be a point of contention and worldwide interest in the end times, again, something we are seeing today. Those are crazy odds of those predictions coming true like they have, especially since most of our history is lost to us due to problems of writing down and preserving text throughout time.

 

[ding]

I see, now you have resorted to flat out lies. I never claimed to be or think of myself as Jesus, shithead. It never ceases to amaze me how low "believers", like you, will stoop to perpetuate religious bullshit stories. Pathetic.

What actually happened is that I pointed out that you said, and I quote "I think people who create conflict and DIVISION between religions and within religions are pieces of shit."

Then I posted what Jesus said, "I have not come to bring peace but DIVISION",


It follows logically that you would've thought and still think that Jesus is a piece of shit. And I guess you are right since the matzo you worship and eat as Jesus comes out of your ass, your counterfeit Jesus is a piece of shit.

You aren't Jesus and Jesus didn't do what you are doing. You are a religious nutjob attacking rival religions because you are a religious nutjob.