Zone1 Hebrews 1:8 says Jesus is God

[hobelim]

That you think you are Jesus

I see, now you have resorted to flat out lies. I never claimed to be or think of myself as Jesus, shithead. It never ceases to amaze me how low "believers", like you, will stoop to perpetuate religious bullshit stories. Pathetic.

What actually happened is that I pointed out that you said, and I quote "I think people who create conflict and DIVISION between religions and within religions are pieces of shit." THOSE WERE YOUR WORDS.

Then I posted what Jesus said, "I have not come to bring peace but DIVISION", THOSE WERE HIS WORDS.


It follows logically that you would've thought and still think that Jesus is a piece of shit. And I guess you are right since the matzo you worship and eat as Jesus comes out of your ass, your counterfeit Jesus is a piece of shit.

 

[toobfreak]

I look at it this way, most religious texts are written by the head of the said religion.

Not sure about that. Could you name a religion where the key literature on that religion was written by the head of said religion?

Anyone can do that and have in the past. But the Bible is different. The Bible is written by a group of people writing about the same God over a span of thousands of years,

About 1500 years in total, roughly, best we can tell, not counting any Jehovah witness stuff.

each with their unique perspectives about God yet cohesive enough to allowed in the same book.

But sadly IMO, badly organized by TOPIC instead of chronologically as it occurred.

As for Jesus, you have 4 eyewitness accounts of Jesus in the 4 gospels as he never writes about himself, which I think is far more powerful than having him write about himself. In fact, in each gospel there are slight variations which shows they were not trying to copy each other.

Good points.

The Bible also is the only religious text I know of that is used by science, namely, Biblical Archaeology. Scientists recognize that the text has enough veracity to use it to locate digs.

And vice versa. Just last week I watched a program where they were homing in on the locations of Sodom and Gomorrah using the Bible as a reference, and finding much corroboration.

In fact, how many ancient religions still exist today like the God of the Bible?

Quite a few actually, you just never hear much about them here in the West.
People often misinterpret my biblical questions as a challenge to them when actually, I'm just a polytheist. I was born a Christian and baptized a Lutheran. I grew up in Sunday School while my father gave his Sundays to help repair and maintain the church. But as I grew older, my interests and questions expanded and I eventually sought out higher authorities and investigated and encompassed many religions other than just Christianity to include Vedic Science, Buddhism, Taoism, and Jainism. I find that since the Vedas gave birth to all of them, in many ways, they not only support each other but where one might have a hole in what it covers, another covers details elsewhere. It is all good.

 

[Votto]

Not sure about that. Could you name a religion where the key literature on that religion was written by the head of said religion?


About 1500 years in total, roughly, best we can tell, not counting any Jehovah witness stuff.


But sadly IMO, badly organized by TOPIC instead of chronologically as it occurred.


Good points.


And vice versa. Just last week I watched a program where they were homing in on the locations of Sodom and Gomorrah using the Bible as a reference, and finding much corroboration.


Quite a few actually, you just never hear much about them here in the West.
People often misinterpret my biblical questions as a challenge to them when actually, I'm just a polytheist. I was born a Christian and baptized a Lutheran. I grew up in Sunday School while my father gave his Sundays to help repair and maintain the church. But as I grew older, my interests and questions expanded and I eventually sought out higher authorities and investigated and encompassed many religions other than just Christianity to include Vedic Science, Buddhism, Taoism, and Jainism. I find that since the Vedas gave birth to all of them, in many ways, they not only support each other but where one might have a hole in what it covers, another covers details elsewhere. It is all good.

Not sure about that. Could you name a religion where the key literature on that religion was written by the head of said religion?

I was thinking of Islam or JW's or even Mormons

In each case you had one "enlightened" individual who made "corrections" regarding to Bible to form their own religion of sorts.

Yea, it does not work that way because none of them are perfect like that as they toss in the garbage scriptures that don't agree with them, or interpret them away.

 

[Votto]

Not sure about that. Could you name a religion where the key literature on that religion was written by the head of said religion?


About 1500 years in total, roughly, best we can tell, not counting any Jehovah witness stuff.


But sadly IMO, badly organized by TOPIC instead of chronologically as it occurred.


Good points.


And vice versa. Just last week I watched a program where they were homing in on the locations of Sodom and Gomorrah using the Bible as a reference, and finding much corroboration.


Quite a few actually, you just never hear much about them here in the West.
People often misinterpret my biblical questions as a challenge to them when actually, I'm just a polytheist. I was born a Christian and baptized a Lutheran. I grew up in Sunday School while my father gave his Sundays to help repair and maintain the church. But as I grew older, my interests and questions expanded and I eventually sought out higher authorities and investigated and encompassed many religions other than just Christianity to include Vedic Science, Buddhism, Taoism, and Jainism. I find that since the Vedas gave birth to all of them, in many ways, they not only support each other but where one might have a hole in what it covers, another covers details elsewhere. It is all good.

Quite a few actually, you just never hear much about them here in the West.
People often misinterpret my biblical questions as a challenge to them when actually, I'm just a polytheist. I was born a Christian and baptized a Lutheran. I grew up in Sunday School while my father gave his Sundays to help repair and maintain the church. But as I grew older, my interests and questions expanded and I eventually sought out higher authorities and investigated and encompassed many religions other than just Christianity to include Vedic Science, Buddhism, Taoism, and Jainism. I find that since the Vedas gave birth to all of them, in many ways, they not only support each other but where one might have a hole in what it covers, another covers details elsewhere. It is all good.

I am aware of ancient religions in the far east, like Hinduism, but by in large there are a select few that have survived in the grand scheme of things. They are a rare breed, and if God is God, he would be a God of those in the past just like the present, which is one of the reasons why I think the true God lies in one of these religions.

However, the man named Jesus is unique because all religions point to him as being a man of God. It is also evident mankind requires redemption, something only Jesus offers.

As Ghandi once famously said, I like this man Jesus who is a man of God but not so much his followers that claim to follow him.

Of course, everything hinges on the resurrection, which if you study it historically will draw you closer to the conclusion that it is legit. A good book on it is "The Case for Christ". It was written by an atheist who was an investigative reporter, who investigated the resurrection for himself, only to come to the conclusion that it happened. And if there are a million ways to God other than the resurrection of Christ, then his suffering was in vain.

 

[toobfreak]

I was thinking of Islam or JW's or even Mormons

The JWs and Mormons maybe (I don't know enough about them either way), but in the case of Islam, muslims would dispute that saying the Koran came directly from Allah and merely spoke through Mohammad.

 

[Votto]

The JWs and Mormons maybe (I don't know enough about them either way), but in the case of Islam, muslims would dispute that saying the Koran came directly from Allah and merely spoke through Mohammad.

Christ could have said the same thing and written the NT himself, but he chose to use witnesses instead, which again is a more powerful testimony to veracity, which is why witnesses are more valued in the court of law than what the defended says about themselves.

After all, anyone can make up anything about themselves, but try to get a group of people to say the exact same thing about you!

 

[toobfreak]

I am aware of ancient religions in the far east, like Hinduism, but by in large there are a select few that have survived in the grand scheme of things. They are a rare breed, and if God is God, he would be a God of those in the past just like the present, which is one of the reasons why I think the true God lies in one of these religions.

Or perhaps he lies in all, merely seen and described differently at different times seen in different context from different angles.

 

[ding]

I see, now you have resorted to flat out lies. I never claimed to be or think of myself as Jesus, shithead. It never ceases to amaze me how low "believers", like you, will stoop to perpetuate religious bullshit stories. Pathetic. What actually happened is that I pointed out that you said, and I quote "I think people who create conflict and DIVISION between religions and within religions are pieces of shit." THOSE WERE YOUR WORDS. Then I posted what Jesus said, "I have not come to bring peace but DIVISION", THOSE WERE HIS WORDS. It follows logically that you would've thought and still think that Jesus is a piece of shit. And I guess you are right since the matzo you worship and eat as Jesus comes out of your ass, your counterfeit Jesus is a piece of shit.

You are a religious nutjob.

all of Israel will be saved.

I bear the great seal of the living God. Prophecy fulfilled.

every time you defy the law of my God

I can't see the good in doing what has been forbidden by my God.

you act like you can escape the hand of my God in this world or the next

You brazenly defy the Law that prohibits idolatry...

You are already dead, in hell, and well along the way that leads to endless destruction.

I always do exactly as God commands. I am keystone in the Yahad of God; the habitation of light. No one else in heaven, on earth, or under the earth, can do what I have already done...

You are in hell under the dominion, care, of a spirit of perversity.

You have sold your soul for the satanic lie, a promise that you will receive eternal life when you die physically after living for your entire life like a schnook by doing exactly what the Bible teaches results in death hell and ultimately destruction.

You have set aside the Law of God...

you are an idolator...

I am creating a new heaven and a new earth in full view of all believers and unbelievers alike

 

[hobelim]

You are a religious nutjob.

And you are full of shit. A deeply religious actor and lying fraud.

Jesus said, "I HAVE NOT COME TO BRING PEACE BUT DIVISION" LUKE 12:51

I think people who create conflict and DIVISION between religions and within religions are pieces of shit.

 

[ding]

And you are full of shit. A deeply religious actor and lying fraud.

Jesus said, "I HAVE NOT COME TO BRING PEACE BUT DIVISION" LUKE 12:51

You aren't Jesus. You are a religious nutjob who is losing his shit.

 

[hobelim]

You aren't Jesus.

No fooling. Jesus lived and died a very long time ago, just like the Gerasene demoniac, but here you are still stampeding over a cliff with a herd of swine being broken to pieces on the rocks below all these centuries later.

How's that working out for you?

BTW, I never claimed to be Jesus. asshole.

 

[ding]

No fooling. Jesus lived and died a very long time ago, just like the Gerasene demoniac, but here you are still stampeding over a cliff with a herd of swine being broken to pieces on the rocks below all these centuries later.

How's that working out for you?

BTW, I never claimed to be Jesus. asshole.

I am at peace. You are not.

 

[The Duke]

The Father himself is speaking in Hebrews 1 and says in verse 8 that Jesus, His Son, is to be called God as well. Now, Colossians 2:9 makes sense. "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Verse 8 then says not to follow the philosophy and vain deceit after the traditions of men. This means to only follow prophets and apostles who teach through the spirit of God and not the secular non-prophets of the Unitarians like Jehovah Witnesses and their non-prophet so called scholars.

Yes.

 

[The Duke]

do you feel that way about the angel JIBRIL who
whispered the ENTIRE KORAN into the ear of
AL NABI MUHUMMAD?

I'll take "Things that never happened" for $2000, Alex.

 

[hobelim]

I am at peace.

Pssst!

You die every time you set aside the Law of God at mass and turn to a lifeless piece of bread made by human hands that you worship and eat for spiritual life and then crap down the toilet, never finding peace in death.

You are not fooling anyone but yourself.

 

[ding]

Pssst!

You die every time you set aside the Law of God at mass and turn to a lifeless piece of bread made by human hands that you worship and eat for spiritual life and then crap down the toilet, never finding peace in death.

You are not fooling anyone but yourself.

That's exactly the response I would expect from a religious nut job who thinks he's Jesus.

I am doing exactly what Jesus was doing.

 

[The Duke]

The whole account occurs after Jesus' resurrection. That Thomas was able to "touch" Jesus meant that he had ascended "to the Ancient of Days", his father, and returned.

In Hebrews? No.
I get what OP is on about, and it is absolutely correct.
As to what the Jews do, well here's the thing: God said they're his people.
That's something most of us that believe in God tend to respect.
There's many mentions of Jesus in the Old Testament that absolutely happened.
Umm, other than The Book of Hebrews, I guarantee there's a lot in Jeremiah.
Psalms, too. It's replete with how it went. IMO, it's history.

 

[hobelim]

That's exactly the response I would expect from a religious nut job who thinks he's Jesus.

There you go again. Lying your ass off in the vain attempt to conceal your guilt by inciting calumny.

I'm sure Jesus is impressed by the many wonderful things defying the Law of God religiously has done for you.

I am.

 

[The Duke]

I see, now you have resorted to flat out lies. I never claimed to be or think of myself as Jesus, shithead. It never ceases to amaze me how low "believers", like you, will stoop to perpetuate religious bullshit stories. Pathetic.

What actually happened is that I pointed out that you said, and I quote "I think people who create conflict and DIVISION between religions and within religions are pieces of shit." THOSE WERE YOUR WORDS.

Then I posted what Jesus said, "I have not come to bring peace but DIVISION", THOSE WERE HIS WORDS.


It follows logically that you would've thought and still think that Jesus is a piece of shit. And I guess you are right since the matzo you worship and eat as Jesus comes out of your ass, your counterfeit Jesus is a piece of shit.

You got a lotta hate in you, brah. You should let go of that. It's not healthy.
Forgiveness is peace. Sometimes hate can be misplaced as well.
Hate is never good to hold for any length of time.

 

[Votto]

Or perhaps he lies in all, merely seen and described differently at different times seen in different context from different angles.

I think that all men will be held accountable to God for their actions regardless of whether they have heard of Christ or not, which is why various religions have "truths" in them. That is because we all have a conscience and have a basic understanding of right from wrong. We also have a basic sense that God exists as the Bible says that only a fool does not believe in a God. In fact, even reading Socrates it is hard to sometimes distinguish his writings from that of Jesus based upon some of the things he wrote, like saying that if there ever were a man of virtue who only spoke the truth in a public setting, he would live a very short life which turned out to be the case for him as well as Christ. Simply put, the truth hurts and both Socrates and Christ paid the ultimate price for speaking truth publicly.

But how then can we atone for our sins before God? I believe that only through the blood of Christ can men come to God, even those who died before Christ died on the cross. After all, no Christian worth their salt believes that men like Moses would not ultimately be saved even though they died thousands of years before Christ gave his life for our sins. But at the end of the day, I believe Moses required the sacrifice on the cross just as much as we in regards to his eternal destination.

That then leads us to those who hear the gospel and reject it. What of them?

That is a good question, and will defer to the Almighty for that.