Zone1 Hebrews 1:8 says Jesus is God

[luiza]

You are using human made up words to describe the event of the birth of Jesus Christ to a virgin. There was no sex involved. And, she became pregnant with Jesus before she married Joseph. You cannot judge God.

Fair enough .
I always have a smidgin of respect for a clever Scammer who uses Conspiracy to rationalise a dodgy position .

But that sentence above is as convoluted a piece of rubbish as can ever be ,
" Human made up words" --- Classic

 

[luiza]

Gabriel isn't the Holy Spirit.

Exactly as I told you . Gabriel is the dirty old Angel.

Did he whisper in her ear - --
"Me not Gabby . Me Holy Spirit"

 

[irosie91]

Exactly as I told you . Gabriel is the dirty old Angel.

Did he whisper in her ear - --
"Me not Gabby . Me Holy Spirit"

do you feel that way about the angel JIBRIL who
whispered the ENTIRE KORAN into the ear of
AL NABI MUHUMMAD?

 

[Z99]

God is Jesus but Jesus isn't God? Illogical. He either is God or he isn't. So, as Hebrews 1:8 states clearly, God the Father said His Son is also God or a God. Part of the Godhead mentioned in Colossians 2:9.

This says that Jesus will be subjected to God.

1 Corinthians 15:28
When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

 

[Cougarbear]

There is only one Deity that I know of Father, Son & Holy Ghost, do U know of another deity? Yes I am a believer in our Maker. Though both the Father & Son are referred to by several names/titles, I most often refer to the Father as the "Ancient Of Days" & the Son as Messiah or Jesus Christ. As far as our Holy Ghost, that is the only title/name that I know of to reference for our Holy Ghost. Since I cannot explain 1 as 3 or 3 as 1, I often use the title of "Maker" which is my way of acknowledging all three facets of the trinity as "one" or as the ancient Hebrews said "our God is One".

Seventh Day Adventists teach that the Father is the "Ancient of Days." Mainstream Christianity believes the Father and Son are one being. They are not. They are one in purpose. If you believe the Father and Son are the same being, then the Father cannot be the Ancient of Days. Daniel 7:13, "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of Man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days...." Jesus comes to the Ancient of Days. Who is the most ancient person of the days of the earth? Adam. Adam, Michael, the Arc angel is the Ancient of Days.

 

[Cougarbear]

Fair enough .
I always have a smidgin of respect for a clever Scammer who uses Conspiracy to rationalise a dodgy position .

But that sentence above is as convoluted a piece of rubbish as can ever be ,
" Human made up words" --- Classic

Nothing convoluted about it. Pure logic and reasoning. It's you that rationalize your hatred of God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ.

 

[Woodznutz]

Seventh Day Adventists teach that the Father is the "Ancient of Days." Mainstream Christianity believes the Father and Son are one being. They are not. They are one in purpose. If you believe the Father and Son are the same being, then the Father cannot be the Ancient of Days. Daniel 7:13, "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of Man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days...." Jesus comes to the Ancient of Days. Who is the most ancient person of the days of the earth? Adam. Adam, Michael, the Arc angel is the Ancient of Days.

When the resurrected Jesus came before the throne of God the Father, the Ancient of Days, he came to be approved as the "wave sheaf offering", was accepted and received dominion as Lord of Lords and King of Kings.

 

[Cougarbear]

When the resurrected Jesus came before the throne of God the Father, the Ancient of Days, he came to be approved as the "wave sheaf offering", was accepted and received dominion as Lord of Lords and King of Kings.

There is no verse that says the Father is the Ancient of Days. None. The Father never walked the earth. And, Jesus came to the Ancient of Days who will be on earth. So, there is no way the Father is the Ancient of Days.

 

[luiza]

Nothing convoluted about it. Pure logic and reasoning. It's you that rationalize your hatred of God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ.

There is no hate in me and particularly not of the invented figures of Cult Christianity .
Just sadness that it has taken us so long as a species to begin to awake .

Your God and his imaginary son are only as real as Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy .

Awakened ex-Normies ( including myself) realise we are the Universe within an eternal Now . We have embraced this new paradigm as we move into this more spiritual and sensitive age .
Your turn to join us will doubtless come , although likely not until a later life.

 

[Woodznutz]

There is no verse that says the Father is the Ancient of Days. None. The Father never walked the earth. And, Jesus came to the Ancient of Days who will be on earth. So, there is no way the Father is the Ancient of Days.

The verses don't say that the Ancient of Days walked on the earth. The scene is at the heavenly throne, not on the earth.

 

[Cougarbear]

There is no hate in me and particularly not of the invented figures of Cult Christianity .
Just sadness that it has taken us so long as a species to begin to awake .

Your God and his imaginary son are only as real as Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy .

Awakened ex-Normies ( including myself) realise we are the Universe within an eternal Now . We have embraced this new paradigm as we move into this more spiritual and sensitive age .
Your turn to join us will doubtless come , although likely not until a later life.

You act as if it’s something new that people have started not believing in Elohim-Jehovah(Jesus)-Holy Ghost. This has gone on since Cain killed Abel. The “Pride Cycle” has been going on for 6000 years. People are destitute calling for their God to help them. Eventually God does. The people get back on their feet. They get stronger and eventually self sufficient. Then, they become puffed up in their own pride on what they have become. They begin to put themselves out as their own god and reject the God that saved them. Their civilization crumbles and they start over the cycle.

 

[Cougarbear]

There is no hate in me and particularly not of the invented figures of Cult Christianity .
Just sadness that it has taken us so long as a species to begin to awake .

Your God and his imaginary son are only as real as Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy .

Awakened ex-Normies ( including myself) realise we are the Universe within an eternal Now . We have embraced this new paradigm as we move into this more spiritual and sensitive age .
Your turn to join us will doubtless come , although likely not until a later life.

You act as if it’s something new that people have started not believing in Elohim-Jehovah(Jesus)-Holy Ghost. This has gone on since Cain killed Abel. The “Pride Cycle” has been going on for 6000 years. People are destitute calling for their God to help them. Eventually God does. The people get back on their feet. They get stronger and eventually self sufficient. Then, they become puffed up in their own pride on what they have become. They begin to put themselves out as their own god and reject the G saved them. Their civilization crumbles and they start over the cycle.

The verses don't say that the Ancient of Days walked on the earth. The scene is at the heavenly throne, not on the earth.

the verse says Jesus comes to the Ancient of Days in the last days. Not the Father because it was the father that said he would in that verse. Ancient or the oldest of days (man). Very easy to understand.

 

[Woodznutz]

You act as if it’s something new that people have started not believing in Elohim-Jehovah(Jesus)-Holy Ghost. This has gone on since Cain killed Abel. The “Pride Cycle” has been going on for 6000 years. People are destitute calling for their God to help them. Eventually God does. The people get back on their feet. They get stronger and eventually self sufficient. Then, they become puffed up in their own pride on what they have become. They begin to put themselves out as their own god and reject the G saved them. Their civilization crumbles and they start over the cycle.

the verse says Jesus comes to the Ancient of Days in the last days. Not the Father because it was the father that said he would in that verse. Ancient or the oldest of days (man). Very easy to understand.

The 'last days' began with the crucifixion of Jesus. Upon his resurrection he told Mary M 'not to touch him (cling to him) as he was to ascend to his father where his sacrifice would be accepted and he would receive kingship over the earth,
to be fulfilled at the end time. This was the fulfillment of the 'wave sheaf offering' that Daniel saw this in his vision.

That the Ancient of Days 'came' and oversaw the destruction of the power of the Holy Roman Empire and the conferring of the earthly kingdom (not God's Kingdom) to the 'people of the saints' is another matter.

 

[irosie91]

You act as if it’s something new that people have started not believing in Elohim-Jehovah(Jesus)-Holy Ghost. This has gone on since Cain killed Abel. The “Pride Cycle” has been going on for 6000 years. People are destitute calling for their God to help them. Eventually God does. The people get back on their feet. They get stronger and eventually self sufficient. Then, they become puffed up in their own pride on what they have become. They begin to put themselves out as their own god and reject the G saved them. Their civilization crumbles and they start over the cycle.

the verse says Jesus comes to the Ancient of Days in the last days. Not the Father because it was the father that said he would in that verse. Ancient or the oldest of days (man). Very easy to understand.

I am mystified by "ANCIENT OF DAYS"----you say it refers to a person? can you do it in its original language?

 

[Cougarbear]

The 'last days' began with the crucifixion of Jesus. Upon his resurrection he told Mary M 'not to touch him (cling to him) as he was to ascend to his father where his sacrifice would be accepted and he would receive kingship over the earth, to be fulfilled at the end time. This was the fulfillment of the 'wave sheaf offering' that Daniel saw this in his vision. That the Ancient of Days 'came' and oversaw the destruction of the power of the Holy Roman Empire and the conferring of the earthly kingdom (not God's Kingdom) to the 'people of the saints' is another matter.

The 'last days' began with the crucifixion of Jesus. Upon his resurrection he told Mary M 'not to touch him (cling to him) as he was to ascend to his father where his sacrifice would be accepted and he would receive kingship over the earth,
to be fulfilled at the end time. This was the fulfillment of the 'wave sheaf offering' that Daniel saw this in his vision.

That the Ancient of Days 'came' and oversaw the destruction of the power of the Holy Roman Empire and the conferring of the earthly kingdom (not God's Kingdom) to the 'people of the saints' is another matter.

Nonsense. The crucifixion was not the start of the last days. Ridiculous. Where did you get that from? And, you should know that Jesus rose on the third day into his resurrected body. Between his death and resurrection is when Mary saw him and was told not to touch him because he was still only a spirit and her hand would have gone through him. The Devil would have said go ahead and touch me because he is the master deceiver. How did you get that ridiculous understanding about why he told Mary to touch her?

Your point doesn't clear up why you think the Ancient of Days was the Father. Your statement obviously shows he wasn't the father.

 

[Cougarbear]

I am mystified by "ANCIENT OF DAYS"----you say it refers to a person? can you do it in its original language?

Can you say the Ancient of Days refers to the Father in it's original language? No. So, we can only reason logically who it was. The word "Days" is key. Days refers to a physical earth of humans on it. The oldest or most ancient of humans according to the bible is Adam. End of story.

 

[irosie91]

Can you say the Ancient of Days refers to the Father in it's original language? No. So, we can only reason logically who it was. The word "Days" is key. Days refers to a physical earth of humans on it. The oldest or most ancient of humans according to the bible is Adam. End of story.

the word "days" is a translation. Language is determined by USAGE in THAT LANGUAGE

 

[JohnDB]

 

[Woodznutz]

Nonsense. The crucifixion was not the start of the last days. Ridiculous. Where did you get that from? And, you should know that Jesus rose on the third day into his resurrected body. Between his death and resurrection is when Mary saw him and was told not to touch him because he was still only a spirit and her hand would have gone through him. The Devil would have said go ahead and touch me because he is the master deceiver. How did you get that ridiculous understanding about why he told Mary to touch her?

Your point doesn't clear up why you think the Ancient of Days was the Father. Your statement obviously shows he wasn't the father.

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time (days): and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time (days).

If Jesus was spirit Mary M wouldn't have been able to physically touch him, therefore he was flesh and blood. When he returned he was also flesh and blood, even though he could walk through walls. Thomas touched his flesh/hand.

He was going to ascend to his "father", the Ancient of Days, to be accepted as the fulfillment of the wave sheaf offering.

 

[Cougarbear]

the word "days" is a translation. Language is determined by USAGE in THAT LANGUAGE

That made no sense. Want to try again?

In the context it means the oldest human. The verse dictates the Son didn’t go to the Father. He was going to Adam who originally received the Keys of the High Priest Jesus Christ.