Zone1 Heaven VS Hell! Where does that leave us?

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Ummm... I don't know actually as those are some pretty tough questions.

I know. That's my point. I don't know either. That's why I like the belief that no one knows their fate or the fate of others. Only God knows.

 

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This one is pretty good. Not experiencing something means it doesn't exist. I can work with that, thanks.

Great, so what does that mean exactly. You're not going to heaven and you're not going to hell. Where the heck are you going?

 

[Road Runner]

Great, so what does that mean exactly. You're not going to heaven and you're not going to hell. Where the heck are you going?

Disneyland?

 

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Disneyland?

Well played.

 

[Foxfyre]

I was going to reply...but your mind is made up.

Anything I say will fall upon deaf ears.

I do not know what Hell is and neither does anybody else. I accept that there is some state of being we call hell and we don't want to be there.

I do not know what Heaven is and neither does anybody else. I accept that there is some state of being we call Heaven and it is a good place where we want to be.

I believe that God is a God of love and He keeps the door open for all who accept the Grace He offers. I believe in eternal life.

I am also quite certain that those who arrive in Heaven, and perhaps those who arrive in Hell, are going to be absolutely amazed at how much of all this we got wrong.

 

[Road Runner]

Well played.

Thanks but I guess that's actually Hell though.

 

[Mortis]

Great, so what does that mean exactly. You're not going to heaven and you're not going to hell. Where the heck are you going?

Personally, I don't believe you go to either. There has never been a definite place. We all hear stories about it. But no concrete evidence.

 

[Z99]

That statement I already know that I don't agree with at all though.

If Satan is in rebellion against God, why then did Satan seek God's permission to torment (test) Job?

 

[Road Runner]

Personally, I don't believe you go to either. There has never been a definite place. We all hear stories about it. But no concrete evidence.

Just say a hole in the ground then.

 

[Road Runner]

If Satan is in rebellion against God, why then did Satan seek God's permission to torment (test) Job?

Hmm interesting point. Another question that I don't know the answer to.

 

[Crepitus]

I have been thinking a lot about the popular beliefs around heaven and hell and can't justify any of it. My line of thinking is a comparison/contrast of the afterlife and our current situation as mortal beings on planet Earth. Let's look at some points of consideration.

If you lived as a good soul, and you pass inspection at the final judgement, once you die, then heaven is where you will spend eternity.

If you are an evil soul, and you don't pass inspection after death, you spend eternity in HELL!

Immediately I can see that regardless of any good or evil acts during my mortal existence that I will have eternal life after death. Where I go is up for debate.

Now, what do we have that we will lose or gain one way or the other?

In my perfect and pure eternal body in my heavenly abode, I will live without hunger, thirst, carnal desires (hopefully not), and other undesirable aspects of human existence. No sickness or disease, no pain, and no death.


Now, in Hell, this is the eternal abode of evil and un-repenting souls who will suffer unspeakable pain forever as a punishment for being evil.

Heaven, is perfect, pleasant, hope fulfilled, and eternal. Hell, is painful, foul, entirely hopeless, and also eternal.

Mortal existence is imperfect, destructive, hopeless (without God), and temporary.

I don't see much difference between our temporary mortal existence and the Hell we are threatened with unless we obey a God that seems far more evil than his fallen angels. I seriously believe if there is a heaven world in the afterlife as described, then this mortal life is Hell on Earth as far as I am concerned.

I find myself having real sympathy for the Devil as the adversary of a God that would believe it was his blessing to create such a dark and evil universe and make us struggle here as mortals, only to die and be judged like this. Even a heavenly afterlife seems evil when I really think about this deal.

Of course, if I go with my other concept, of creation as a heat engine or mere entertainment as a fireworks display for God to be amused, then I really have respect for Satan and his rebellion against God.

I could be a real Satanist if those political posers and their Baphomet BS wasn't the accepted norm now-a-days. It is so true that evil grows with ignorance.

Bottom line, humanity is extremely screwed up and the dark and evil universe created us with natural selection to make sure we ended up this way.

What is the difference between a good soul and an evil one?

 

[Road Runner]

Hmm interesting point. Another question that I don't know the answer to.

It's amazing to know how much you don't know isn't it?

 

[Mortis]

It's amazing to know how much you don't know isn't it?

You are the WINNER of this post! You and your family will get to travel to Heaven! Pack up your bags...the plane leaves in an hour. Lol

 

[Road Runner]

You are the WINNER of this post! You and your family will get to travel to Heaven! Pack up your bags...the plane leaves in an hour. Lol

I could take this post a couple of different ways.... Just to be safe I'm packing my parachute.

 

[Mortis]

I could take this post a couple of different ways.... Just to be safe I'm packing my parachute.

Yeah yeah!

 

[Road Runner]

Yeah yeah!

At least there was no bazooka mentioned.

 

[Road Runner]

This is a bit off topic but here's another issue that has always bothered me.

 

[Michigan Swampbuck]

What is the difference between a good soul and an evil one?

That depends on what is good and evil. I like to say, "If it feels good, then it must be good for you", but morality is a far bigger issue.

 

[Crepitus]

That depends on what is good and evil. I like to say, "If it feels good, then it must be good for you", but morality is a far bigger issue.

What is morality?

 

[Michigan Swampbuck]

What is morality?

To quote Bill Clinton, "That depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."