Zone1 Heaven VS Hell! Where does that leave us?

[ding]

I have been thinking a lot about the popular beliefs around heaven and hell and can't justify any of it. My line of thinking is a comparison/contrast of the afterlife and our current situation as mortal beings on planet Earth. Let's look at some points of consideration.

If you lived as a good soul, and you pass inspection at the final judgement, once you die, then heaven is where you will spend eternity.

If you are an evil soul, and you don't pass inspection after death, you spend eternity in HELL!

Immediately I can see that regardless of any good or evil acts during my mortal existence that I will have eternal life after death. Where I go is up for debate.

Now, what do we have that we will lose or gain one way or the other?

In my perfect and pure eternal body in my heavenly abode, I will live without hunger, thirst, carnal desires (hopefully not), and other undesirable aspects of human existence. No sickness or disease, no pain, and no death.


Now, in Hell, this is the eternal abode of evil and un-repenting souls who will suffer unspeakable pain forever as a punishment for being evil.

Heaven, is perfect, pleasant, hope fulfilled, and eternal. Hell, is painful, foul, entirely hopeless, and also eternal.

Mortal existence is imperfect, destructive, hopeless (without God), and temporary.

I don't see much difference between our temporary mortal existence and the Hell we are threatened with unless we obey a God that seems far more evil than his fallen angels. I seriously believe if there is a heaven world in the afterlife as described, then this mortal life is Hell on Earth as far as I am concerned.

I find myself having real sympathy for the Devil as the adversary of a God that would believe it was his blessing to create such a dark and evil universe and make us struggle here as mortals, only to die and be judged like this. Even a heavenly afterlife seems evil when I really think about this deal.

Of course, if I go with my other concept, of creation as a heat engine or mere entertainment as a fireworks display for God to be amused, then I really have respect for Satan and his rebellion against God.

I could be a real Satanist if those political posers and their Baphomet BS wasn't the accepted norm now-a-days. It is so true that evil grows with ignorance.

Bottom line, humanity is extremely screwed up and the dark and evil universe created us with natural selection to make sure we ended up this way.

Take care of the journey and the destination will work itself out.

 

[ding]

Jesus Christ man, quote some scripture, any, I might have to agree. You are lukewarm and Jesus will spit you out. Your Lord will reject you. And as an added bonus, you will be in Hell like me, forever, just for that alone.

No one knows their fate or the fate of anyone else.

 

[ding]

I don't see much difference between our temporary mortal existence and the Hell we are threatened with unless we obey a God that seems far more evil than his fallen angels. I seriously believe if there is a heaven world in the afterlife as described, then this mortal life is Hell on Earth as far as I am concerned.

Life isn't fair. Expect to make sacrifices. God did.

 

[Mortis]

I honestly don't know what I believe anymore as a part of me believes this but a part of me also believes that God wouldn't send anybody to Hell just for simply having different beliefs than Christianity.

Many Christians have different thoughts/ideas about what Hell is. We were all taught in Sunday schools different narrations of a dark place called Hell.

Maybe, it's the Human part (Spirituality), that wants us to believe there is a true place where we go after we leave here.


These days, we are corrupted with new information about whether the world is going to end, and who is going to Heaven or Hell.

I believe it depends on one's perception.

 

[Thunk]

but a part of me also believes that God wouldn't send anybody to Hell just for simply having different beliefs than Christianity.

But is it "sent" to hell or is it your choice?

If you chose to enter a house but not go thru the doorway...you're gonna have a tough time of it. I thunk it's wise to keep an open mind & keep your wits about you...because none of us know for sure what lies beyond this existence. Maybe everything I've learned is wrong and I'll need to be "flexible".

I guess I'll find out when I croak

(damn frogs got it all figured out! They croak all the time).

 

[Road Runner]

No one knows their fate or the fate of anyone else.

I tend to disagree with you. January 20th 2025 for example.

But is it "sent" to hell or is it your choice?

If you chose to enter a house but not go thru the doorway...you're gonna have a tough time of it. I thunk it's wise to keep an open mind & keep your wits about you...because none of us know for sure what lies beyond this existence. Maybe everything I've learned is wrong and I'll need to be "flexible".

I guess I'll find out when I croak

(damn frogs got it all figured out! They croak all the time).

Well either way I believe in Jesus so I'm good.

 

[Mortis]

(damn frogs got it all figured out! They croak all the time).

Mr Froggy says "You are not going to Hell! Matter of fact, you are going to save me from those Chinese from making us Frog stew."

Okay, there is NO Mr. Froggy. Just trying to lighten things up here.

Here, have some frog legs...j/k

 

[Michigan Swampbuck]

Keep it coming guys, I need a good argument for Asmodeus. I will have to be able to talk myself out of this one.

 

[ding]

I tend to disagree with you. January 20th 2025 for example.

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Well either way I believe in Jesus so I'm good.

Not exactly the fate the OP was postulating.

 

[Mortis]

Keep it coming guys, I need a good argument for Asmodeus. I will have to be able to talk myself out of this one.

You're going to Hell!

Hell, Michigan!

 

[Road Runner]

Not exactly the fate the OP was postulating.

It's still a fate though. It's called eviction.

 

[Thunk]

I need a good argument for Asmodeus. I will have to be able to talk myself out of this one.

Just say loud & proud: JESUS IS MY LORD AND SAVIOR!

Poof! You win! (it's the secret code words)

 

[Thunk]

Well either way I believe in Jesus so I'm good.

Me too!

 

[Road Runner]

Just say loud & proud: JESUS IS MY LORD AND SAVIOR!

Poof! You win!

Amen to that!!

 

[Road Runner]

I will also say this. I do believe that without Christ's sacrifice on the cross nobody could get into Heaven but do you actually have to be a Christian because of it is the problem that I'm having.

 

[Michigan Swampbuck]

Well, there are always the mystic words of power like Jesus and others I wouldn't speak or write down. However, I really would like to outsmart the devil, it's a classic theme.

 

[Mortis]

I will also say this. I do believe that without Christ's sacrifice on the cross nobody could get into Heaven but do you actually have to be a Christian because of it is the problem that I'm having.

What if you are a Jew? Christ was one.

 

[Thunk]

do you actually have to be a Christian because of it is the problem that I'm having.

All Christian religions believe in Jesus...but No...If you believe in Jesus, you're in.

Cut & dry...end of story.

I suppose you could try to jump the fence or climb in a window to get into heaven...but I suspect you wont get very far

 

[Road Runner]

What if you are a Jew? Christ was one.

I know that's why I get a lot of heat for saying this on here but I don't always trust the Bible. It might have been God inspired but it was still written by man and men are great gossipers.

 

[Thunk]

I really would like to outsmart the devil, it's a classic theme.

Always be humble & kind.

Wanting to outsmart satan doesn't sound too humble to me.