Zone1 Heaven VS Hell! Where does that leave us?

[Crepitus]

To quote Bill Clinton, "That depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

That "is" kinda my point here.

 

[Thunk]

I am also quite certain that those who arrive in Heaven, and perhaps those who arrive in Hell, are going to be absolutely amazed at how much of all this we got wrong.

Of that...I have no doubt!

 

[Thunk]

This one is pretty good. Not experiencing something means it doesn't exist. I can work with that, thanks.

So since I've never been to alaska...it doesn't exist?

 

[Z99]

Hmm interesting point. Another question that I don't know the answer to.

And then in Revelation 20 it says that, after being held captive for a thousand years, Satan "MUST" be released. So why must he be released? The answer is - to fulfill God's plan. God is in 100% control and always has been. Satan is serving God's purpose. In the end, Satan will be purified and transformed into perfect holiness.

 

[Z99]

That depends on what is good and evil. I like to say, "If it feels good, then it must be good for you", but morality is a far bigger issue.

I believe that the definition of "evil" is anything that is contrary to the will of God.

 

[Z99]

It's amazing to know how much you don't know isn't it?

We should all be humble and ask God to reveal the truth to us. He doesn't reveal truth to arrogant people. In fact, God DESPISES arrogant people.

 

[Michigan Swampbuck]

So since I've never been to Alaska...it doesn't exist?

I've never been there either, so if we do go there, will it suddenly exist?

 

[The Irish Ram]

If you lived as a good soul, and you pass inspection at the final judgement, once you die, then heaven is where you will spend eternity.

If you are an evil soul, and you don't pass inspection after death, you spend eternity in HELL!

But, neither of those is an accurate account of salvation, or the lack thereof.
Works will not get you into heaven. If that were the case, there would have been no reason for Christ to have died on a cross. God called even the best of works as filthy rags < menstrual pads < proof that there is no fruit in the womb. < Fruitless.

The reason for that is sin is a blood issue. It is passed from generation to generation like a mutant gene. And all our good works can't rid us of it. And sin doesn't enter Heaven. It took the pure blood of Christ to cover our sin permanently. And it was given to us as a gift.
If you turn from sin and accept Christ as your Savior, then there is no inspection to pass. Your sins were paid for and nailed to the cross, and God doesn't even remember them. There is at your coronation a process called the BEMA Judgement to determine how many crowns you deserve. That Judgment takes all of your good works, and determines which were done quietly, for Christ's sake, from those done for your own ego.

Those who choose to follow their father Satan, will be judged along with Satan at the White Throne Judgement, here on earth conducted by Christ after His Millennial Reign of peace. Their destination is the Lake of Fire for eternity.

Accept the gift, and do good things for Jesus because of the good thing He did for us.

 

[Road Runner]

Btw, that's not to say that doing good works isn't important as people will know us by our fruits.

 

[Michigan Swampbuck]

I wondered when the original sin issue would come up. Let me think, what was it that the first humans did that was so evil as to never be rid of the sins of our fathers (and mothers)? What was that horrible thing that caused endless generations to suffer for eternity because they weren't asking for forgiveness for something that happened generations ago, something they never did? It must have been pretty bad, like worse than Donald Trump bad.

 

[Michigan Swampbuck]

I'm sensing that most people here don't understand the concept of Nihilism.

 

[Thunk]

I've never been there either, so if we do go there, will it suddenly exist?

If that's the case...then we live in a simulation...and there is quite a bit of evidence that we do.

But if that's the case...does it really change anything?

 

[Road Runner]

If that's the case...then we live in a simulation...and there is quite a bit of evidence that we do.

But if that's the case...does it really change anything?

Do you mean an alternate reality?

 

[Thunk]

people will know us by our fruits.

Which brings us back to the obamas

 

[Thunk]

Do you mean an alternate reality?

Nope...I mean we might live in a computer simulation. Where the only thing that is actually real is our thoughts.

I think...therefore I am. THAT is the one thing I can be certain of...even if my own arms and legs aren't real and don't exist...I know my thoughts are my own...therefore I exist!

 

[Road Runner]

Nope...I mean we might live in a computer simulation. Where the only thing that is actually real is our thoughts.

I think...therefore I am. THAT is the one thing I can be certain of...even if my own arms and legs aren't real and don't exist...I know my thoughts are my own...therefore I exist!

Interesting.

 

[Michigan Swampbuck]

"I think, therefore I am" is more like how it really is. And that tree in the forest, the one that falls when no one is there to hear it? It doesn't make a noise, but it does make a sound.

 

[Road Runner]

"I think, therefore I am" is more like how it really is. And that tree in the forest, the one that falls when no one is there to hear it? It doesn't make a noise, but it does make a sound.

Doesn't noise and sound mean the same thing though?

 

[Thunk]

Interesting.

I know it's hard to wrap your head around...it took me a while.

But there have been several major scientific experiments trying to prove we live in a simulation...and most of the tests results were positive.

Now the question becomes...did the experiment really prove it? Or was the experiment flawed in some way?

 

[Thunk]

"I think, therefore I am" is more like how it really is. And that tree in the forest, the one that falls when no one is there to hear it? It doesn't make a noise, but it does make a sound.

Yup...basically the same question.

Kinda like...if a man is alone in the woods talking...and there is no woman around to hear him...

Is he still wrong?