Heartbeat act fails in Nebraska

[1srelluc]

Most of these states that have banned abortions had trigger laws in place which will all eventually have be voted on by the people and we'll see many of these states laws overturned

I suspect all of them.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The vote failed. Yay.

 

[schmidlap]

Most of these states that have banned abortions had trigger laws in place which will all eventually have be voted on by the people and we'll see many of these states laws overturned

Given the public support for reproductive freedom in Kansas, Montana, Michigan, etc., the portents are auspicious.

If authoritarian politicians pay the price in 2024, democracy will have recovered significantly.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

A surprise vote among Republicans in Nebraska. One vote made the difference. That's about as close as you get. It failed because they wouldn't compromise at all. It cannot be reintroduced this session. Omaha News, Weather and Sports - Nebraska News - KETV NewsWatch 7>articles-Nebraska-Heartbeat-Act-likely-fails-in-lehislature-as-support-falls-short. 52 minutes ago. When asked about why he couldn't vote for the bill as written. The Republican legislator replied, " I believe the pro-life organization has shades of gray in it. If you're going to make changes it's better to make gradual change, not extremeeasures. "

why does murdering babies with blood lust give you mental defectives a woody?

 

[Blues Man]

why does murdering babies with blood lust give you mental defectives a woody?

why do you feel the need to control the choices women make?

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

why do you feel the need to control the choices women make?

I could fucking give a shit if some wench coat hangers herself pal.......doing a favor if a slut thinks that way..what a mother she would be....lol

it is your blood lust obssession with this shit

i wish every lib here had a mom that was fanatically pro choice and didn't have kids...the world would be way better off

 

[Zoë4ever]

27 states from conception
9 states for only part of pregnancy

And abortion is still legal in some of those states so the only time it applies is when the pregnant woman is the victim of a crime.

What a woman does to her own body is never a crime.

Then our sources differ. National Right to Life lists thirty states with full coverage for unborn victims of homicide and eight states with partial coverage.

We were discussing personhood and separateness. Like it or not, fetal homicide laws bestow legal personhood on unborn children. Kill them in utero or don’t, but arguing they aren’t separate “persons” with legal rights, when they clearly are, is disingenuous.

 

[badger2]

It's human but not yet a person

It's always already human and by default, a human. You're fucked up on the signifer-signifed game having been played by SCOTUS effeminates and its cronies.

 

[Blues Man]

I could fucking give a shit if some wench coat hangers herself pal.......doing a favor if a slut thinks that way..what a mother she would be....lol

it is your blood lust obssession with this shit

i wish every lib here had a mom that was fanatically pro choice and didn't have kids...the world would be way better off

What a woman does to her own body is not my decision. Never was never will be.

no bloodlust involved at all that's you being over emotional

 

[Blues Man]

It's always already human and by default, a human. You're fucked up on the signifer-signifed game having been played by SCOTUS effeminates and its cronies.

So then tell me do you think an embryo is not different than a newborn baby?

 

[Blues Man]

Then our sources differ. National Right to Life lists thirty states with full coverage for unborn victims of homicide and eight states with partial coverage.

We were discussing personhood and separateness. Like it or not, fetal homicide laws bestow legal personhood on unborn children. Kill them in utero or don’t, but arguing they aren’t separate “persons” with legal rights, when they clearly are, is disingenuous.

And like I said those laws only apply within a state border and where abortion is legal they do not apply to the pregnant woman and only to those who commit a crime against her.

So there is a lot of ambiguity isn't there?

 

[Frankenstein]

It's not a heartbeat at six weeks. It's a group of cells that sporaticaly pulse, and eventually will become part of a heart. The sound is not the sound of a heartbeat. It's electronically generated by the equipment being used.

The heart of an baby starts beating at about week 5 of pregnancy. It may be possible to detect the heartbeat at this point using vaginal ultrasound. Throughout the pregnancy and delivery, healthcare professionals monitor the heartbeat of the fetus.

You are barbaric and defend killing human children in the womb case closed, everything you spout, is about dehumanizing that baby so your conscience is clear. Shouldn't you be out getting pregnant so you can kill another baby

 

[Frankenstein]

So then tell me do you think an embryo is not different than a newborn baby?

Same human being

 

[Zoë4ever]

And like I said those laws only apply within a state border and where abortion is legal they do not apply to the pregnant woman and only to those who commit a crime against her.

So there is a lot of ambiguity isn't there?

Legally ambiguous, ethically squishy.

But we’ll have this conundrum as long as morality is subjective and personhood is selectively-sacrosanct.

 

[schmidlap]

why does murdering babies with blood lust give you mental defectives a woody?

Your fanaticism distorts your grasp of reality.

Americans' love of personal freedom and respect for a woman's right to make personal, private decisions differs from your addled characterization.

The woman making such decisions in consultation with medical and spiritual advisers and loved ones whom she trusts is preferred to authoritarian politicians and bureaucrats issuing their impersonal edicts to everyone.

That is true of all advanced democracies, but not El Salvador, Nicaragua, or Iraq where totalitarian regimes have arrogated such choices, as extremists here demand.

 

[Blues Man]

Same human being

So then freezing embryos should be illegal too right? I mean if the embryo is no different than a newborn freezing it must be some sort of crime yes?

 

[Blues Man]

Legally ambiguous, ethically squishy.

But we’ll have this conundrum as long as morality is subjective and personhood is selectively-sacrosanct.

Morality has always been relative because humans invented them

 

[Frankenstein]

So then freezing embryos should be illegal too right? I mean if the embryo is no different than a newborn freezing it must be some sort of crime yes?

Embryo's is a term used up to dehumanize human babies in the womb, Yes fertilized eggs should not be frozen

 

[Blues Man]

Embryo's is a term used up to dehumanize human babies in the womb, Yes fertilized eggs should not be frozen

OK so then we just destroy the ones that are right or do you prefer we forcibly implant them into women?

And the term embryo is a scientific term for a particular stage of development that is all it is.

 

[badger2]

So then tell me do you think an embryo is not different than a newborn baby?

Of course it is, and the reason for that difference is that the biological process was not interrupted by surly SCOTUS effeminates and their name games.