Zone1 Have we lost The Bible Story?

[Meriweather]

Suffice to say that your interpretation of the great flood would cause a 'whirlwind' of controversy and rage in a 'Catholic' school!

No, it wouldn't. And doesn't.

 

[ding]

No, it wouldn't. And doesn't.

He's like a dog with a bone.

 

[Meriweather]

He's like a dog with a bone.

What I find odd is that he seems to think he is an expert on the Catholic Church/faith--and that the Church spends all its time on two percent of the Bible. Unless people attend Church every day, we hear about those first few chapters in Genesis about once every three years. It appears Donald thinks at that time creationism or evolution is the focus of the homily. Never heard a homily about either, as the focus of a homily is almost always about human behavior.

 

[Donald H]

No, it wouldn't. And doesn't.

I disagree my friend, but I know there's no way of testing the question here.

And with all due respects to your beliefs, you're already attempting to turn that comparatively small local flood into something similar to the bible's official story.

That can't be done! A flood of the entire earth that covered entire mountains and included an Ark full of pairs of animals, can never be similar to a localized flood that swamped the entire ME. (ME as an example)

We've both dealt with the Noah's ark story, as has Ding, and we all agree that it's not meant to be literally true!

Where do we go from here. I'll go with you but I'm going to expect honesty!

I would rather just go there with Ding, because he's already set the tone on discussions with atheists.

Tomorrow he's first going to learn the reason why he can have his big bang, but he can't have his 'creation' myth with it.

If you know the reason why, tell me tomorrow. He won't be able!

 

[Donald H]

What I find odd is that he seems to think he is an expert on the Catholic Church/faith--and that the Church spends all its time on two percent of the Bible.

No, I don't pretend to be an expert on the Catholic faith. That comment doesn't sit well with me. It's not what I've experienced as you.

I'm detecting a change in your behaviour toward me all of a sudden. Please don't go there with Ding. It won't be worth it and it will compromise any and all understanding between us. It's only been possible by both of us to exclude him and his hateful and insulting behaviour.

Unless people attend Church every day, we hear about those first few chapters in Genesis about once every three years.

I can accept that, with some caution and reservations. I won't pursue it, simply because the purpose in bringing it up is questionable to me.

It appears Donald thinks at that time creationism or evolution is the focus of the homily. Never heard a homily about either, as the focus of a homily is almost always about human behavior.

I accept the homily. I think one of the biggest problems Ding and I have between us is that I do accept it.

He could be a lot happier with my comments if we didn't need to bring up any homilies, and could rather accept his bibles as being completely and literally true.

 

[Meriweather]

I disagree my friend, but I know there's no way of testing the question here.

And with all due respects to your beliefs, you're already attempting to turn that comparatively small local flood into something similar to the bible's official story.

That can't be done! A flood of the entire earth that covered entire mountains and included an Ark full of pairs of animals, can never be similar to a localized flood that swamped the entire ME. (ME as an example)

We've both dealt with the Noah's ark story, as has Ding, and we all agree that it's not meant to be literally true!

Where do we go from here. I'll go with you but I'm going to expect honesty!

Catholicism--and most religions--do not investigate the meteorology and geology of Bible stories. The Bible does not teach science. The Hebrew man pointed out several things about the language in the story. For example, rain can be pouring down so densely that distant mountains can't be seen through the dense rain--i.e., the mountains were covered. Again the flood and its description is its setting--it is not a sharp turn into a science lesson. It is teaching a lesson.

 

[Meriweather]

No, I don't pretend to be an expert on the Catholic faith. That comment doesn't sit well with me. It's not what I've experienced as you.

And your assertions about Catholic schools not accepting a more localized flood doesn't sit well with me. I know they do.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

And your assertions about Catholic schools not accepting a more localized flood doesn't sit well with me. I know they do.

True. The leaders of catholicism long ago threw out the literal interpretation of genesis.

 

[Donald H]

Catholicism--and most religions--do not investigate the meteorology and geology of Bible stories. The Bible does not teach science. The Hebrew man pointed out several things about the language in the story. For example, rain can be pouring down so densely that distant mountains can't be seen through the dense rain--i.e., the mountains were covered. Again the flood and its description is its setting--it is not a sharp turn into a science lesson. It is teaching a lesson.

Then just leave the science out of the bible talk. You can have the fog and the dense rain if you're deciding to not uphold the Noah's ark story. I think that you're going to have to decide on the localized flood that isn't related to the discussion, or you're going to need to accept the bible version, complete with all the extinct species. Remember what I said about honesty!!

 

[Donald H]

True. The leaders of catholicism long ago threw out the literal interpretation of genesis.

Join the discussion, and welcome, but keep it respectable when we're talking to Meri.

With Ding, anything goes as far as I'm concerned.

 

[alang1216]

Again... you don't have a clue how much time, study and thoughtful reflection went into it.

Of course I don't, how could I? I only see the results.

I probably spent more time studying some of the primal religions than you spent studying the evangelical religion you were raised in. (see what I did there?)

Incorrectly assume I was raised in an evangelical religion? Of course you don't have a clue how much time, study and thoughtful reflection went into my studies either.

 

[ding]

Then just leave the science out of the bible talk. You can have the fog and the dense rain if you're deciding to not uphold the Noah's ark story. I think that you're going to have to decide on the localized flood that isn't related to the discussion, or you're going to need to accept the bible version, complete with all the extinct species. Remember what I said about honesty!!

You really shouldn't be speaking of honesty, Donald. We both know what you are.

 

[Meriweather]

Then just leave the science out of the bible talk. You can have the fog and the dense rain if you're deciding to not uphold the Noah's ark story. I think that you're going to have to decide on the localized flood that isn't related to the discussion, or you're going to need to accept the bible version, complete with all the extinct species. Remember what I said about honesty!!

Remember what I said that this story presents a lesson, a philosophy not a science lesson. If you wish to discuss the theme and the philosophy, I am all in. I am not interested in discussing science.

 

[ding]

Of course I don't, how could I? I only see the results.


Incorrectly assume I was raised in an evangelical religion? Of course you don't have a clue how much time, study and thoughtful reflection went into my studies either.

I guess my "see what I did there comment" flew over your head. I only know that by the age of 12 your mind was made up. That you see no problem with that is beyond me.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Remember what I said that this story presents a lesson, a philosophy not a science lesson. If you wish to discuss the theme and the philosophy, I am all in. I am not interested in discussing science.

But the philosophy and morality of this story is so stunted and primitive and terrible...

It's to make people fear God.

 

[ding]

Join the discussion, and welcome, but keep it respectable when we're talking to Meri.

With Ding, anything goes as far as I'm concerned.

This may come as a surprise to some but you don't have half the integrity that FFI has.

 

[Meriweather]

But the philosophy and morality of this story is so stunted and primitive and terrible...

It's to make people fear God.

I don't find it so. As a people we still do not watch what we say to and about one another. Cursing, slander, and defamation is as prevalent today as it was then.

The other point is that 'fear' in most Biblical passages does not equate to being afraid. It is about being in awe and reverent towards God and the ways of God.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I don't find it so. As a people we still do not watch what we say to and about one another. Cursing, slander, and defamation is as prevalent today as it was then.

The other point is that 'fear' in most Biblical passages does not equate to being afraid. It is about being in awe and reverent towards God and the ways of God.

I don't think you're going to successfully equivocate yourself out of this one, sorry.

While you may choose to sugar coat it for your own pleasure, the story clearly says what it says.

 

[Meriweather]

I don't think you're going to successfully equivocate yourself out of this one, sorry.

While you may choose to sugar coat it for your own pleasure, the story clearly says what it says.

Again, try the Hebrew and rabbinical teaching. This does not mean anyone has to ignore the King James English, but it hasn't the same, the original perspective.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Again, try the Hebrew and rabbinical teaching. This does not mean anyone has to ignore the King James English, but it hasn't the same, the original perspective.

Killed all the babies because they didn't obey just right.

Gross.