Zone1 Have we lost The Bible Story?

[Meriweather]

If it was just a local flood and the pairs of animals weren't taken aboard, etc., then you have declared that the great flood didn't happen.

You're never going to take that back from me my friend.

I stand by what I said. Noah's Ark is an account of a great flood. That great flood was not planet-wide. I said no more and no less.

 

[Meriweather]

Not just your enjoyment!!

Then you don't know me very well. My motto is that we are here in this life to learn and to have fun. I'm here to have fun. Of course, sometimes I learn as well, and that sets me forth on new research and discovery where I...have fun.

 

[BreezeWood]

But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”

never said by jesus ...

an obvious 4th century forgery, their narrative is void of the 1st century events taught by jesus - liberation theology, self determination.

 

[BreezeWood]

When it comes to goodness, we are a feeble, infirm people. We live in brokenness.

why the 1st century events are the refutation of judaism their false commandments, hereditary segregation for those who gave their lives for their beliefs during that time to the present day.

 

[alang1216]

You are not understanding what I'm saying.

Before Creation, when God in eternity was in existence with no creation, the Christian God had love and objects of love. Eternally, they are Father-Son-Holy Spirit.

Allah in eternity is all by himself. Muslims claim he is love. Who did he love before time began?

I would have no clue what God is thinking. Do you?

 

[alang1216]

No, I don't have it backwards. But, as is often noted the Bible is for both those who splash in the shallows and those who dive in more deeply. Those who enjoy arguing with scripture stay in the shallows. Those who are after greater understanding dive in more deeply. I invite you into greater depths--perhaps the depths are not as playful as the shallows, but it is where beauty and wisdom dwell.

I read what scripture says, I'm unqualified to read what it doesn't say. But I get your meaning.

 

[SweetSue92]

I would have no clue what God is thinking. Do you?

That's a sad dodge but I'm not surprised. You've made your choice; I was hoping others reading along might have something to consider

 

[alang1216]

That's a sad dodge but I'm not surprised. You've made your choice; I was hoping others reading along might have something to consider

I'm not a Christian and I'm definitely not comfortable in making new scripture from old scripture. I always enjoy how the Xmas story takes contradictory parts of Mathew and Luke and conflates them into something new.

 

[SweetSue92]

I'm not a Christian and I'm definitely not comfortable in making new scripture from old scripture. I always enjoy how the Xmas story takes contradictory parts of Mathew and Luke and conflates them into something new.

I know, and have known from the beginning, that you have made your choice. We have a good God, and He'll let you have it--for now.

 

[ding]

Why so? There was a 50-50 chance I was right back then.

If you can't see it, I can't help.

 

[ding]

I think you are confusing me with another USMB poster. You never mentioned to me about any absence or how you came to your faith.

Which is odd because you acted like you knew when you said you believe I started from my Catholic faith and looked to justify it as logical.

 

[ding]

Rome wasn't built in a day, but religion's eventual outcome is heading to the same endpoint. The Catholick church threw out baby jesus with the bath water when they invited Darwin in.

Or it was always known that the creation account in Genesis was an allegorical account and not a science book. SMH

 

[Donald H]

Or it was always known that the creation account in Genesis was an allegorical account and not a science book. SMH

Yes! Yes, yes, yes, we've finally arrived at the same conclusion that I've been trying to get Christians to accept for months!

Of course the CC could never reconcile the contradiction forever between Darwinian evolution and the creation myth.

It was a brave attempt and it kept the money rolling in for years past it's due date!

 

[Donald H]

Then you don't know me very well. My motto is that we are here in this life to learn and to have fun. I'm here to have fun. Of course, sometimes I learn as well, and that sets me forth on new research and discovery where I...have fun.

I was suggesting that others got the same enjoyment out of it too!

Your behaviour has been commendable most of the time!

 

[Donald H]

I stand by what I said. Noah's Ark is an account of a great flood. That great flood was not planet-wide. I said no more and no less.

I accepted what you said. The great flood was obviously not earth-wide and it was not the rescue of pairs of animals.

We're on the same page now and so I don't think there's anything to gain by belabouring the point any further. I'll leave it up to you to clarify your beliefs on the size of the great flood, if you still feel it's worth stating. I don't any longer.

 

[ding]

Yes! Yes, yes, yes, we've finally arrived at the same conclusion that I've been trying to get Christians to accept for months!

Of course the CC could never reconcile the contradiction forever between Darwinian evolution and the creation myth.

It was a brave attempt and it kept the money rolling in for years past it's due date!

But you have been arguing it was must be treated as a science book. Is it a myth though? Did the universe begin? Yes. Did it evolve in sequential steps over time? Yes. That's what Genesis says.

 

[Donald H]

I don't reject the story of Noah's Ark, so if you think I do, then we definitely disagree about something.

I don't have an "enlightened" version. I simply related what my Hebrew friend pointed out when focusing on the actual Hebrew instead of the King James English.

Let the Hebrew version be 'enlightenment' or not, it's not important. I wasn't aware that the Hebrews had always rejected the notion of an earth-wide flood in which pairs of animals were rescued, etc.,

Let's just let it go my friend. We can leave it to our friend Ding to wrestle with if it pleases him?

 

[Donald H]

But you have been arguing it was must be treated as a science book.

Good grief, NO!!

Is it a myth though? Did the universe begin?

That's a question that science hasn't answered yet, and may not ever answer.

Yes. Did it evolve in sequential steps over time? Yes. That's what Genesis says.

Genesis can suppose whatever suits it? But no, it can't assume anything on behalf of science. That lesson should have been learned in the Dover ID court.

Science has moved on from the 'big bang' being the beginning of everything.

It shouldn't be just Christians who insist that religion and science shouldn't be discussed together!

 

[Donald H]

Hmmm. So the focus should have been on me, not my student's question? The question was how do they pass a test when they don't believe in evolution. My response was, "Did you learn what the text taught?" The answer was, Yes. Then note what the text taught and move on. I even said if they wanted (and had time), they could add what they thought about evolution.

Mentioning God does not break the rules. When students talk about God and include me, I say little, but listen. When students are not accurate in what they say about another faith or religion, I offer a correction which is always appreciated by those whose faith is being targeted. School boards might be be fretting over religion being mentioned in school, but the students aren't. First, it seldom is brought up, but when it is, it has always been matter-of-factly, with no more import than discussing the weather or their favorite team. Students include me in those discussions as well. They are more interested in my favorite football team than my religion, and sometimes what my favorite subject is to substitute teach.

Yes, I'm sure that the school boards are concerned over religion being mentioned in schools. I think that's their display of tolerance for others' religions and for the differences within the Christian religion itself. Suffice to say that your interpretation of the great flood would cause a 'whirlwind' of controversy and rage in a 'Catholic' school!

 

[Donald H]

never said by jesus ...

an obvious 4th century forgery, their narrative is void of the 1st century events taught by jesus - liberation theology, self determination.

You should have learned at least one thing today.

The only way to change minds on this topic is by friendly persuasion. Not insults!