Zone1 Have we lost The Bible Story?

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Led by the Holy Spirit.

Joseph Kony is led by the Holy Spirit.

 

[alang1216]

Led by the Holy Spirit.

Hard to judge that just by looking at them. Any other ways of knowing? Words or actions?

 

[alang1216]

Joseph Kony is led by the Holy Spirit.

I'm sure the 9/11 terrorists would say they were led by God too.

 

[SweetSue92]

You have yet to explain exactly what that 'heresy' is. All you have presented is your disagreement.

Here, 100 verses. Get started.

What Does the Bible Say About Jesus Say About Hell?

Bible verses about Jesus Say About Hell

www.openbible.info

 

[SweetSue92]

What makes someone a 'true' Christian?

For if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.--Romans 10:9

Confess and believe.

 

[alang1216]

For if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.--Romans 10:9

Confess and believe.

I don't know any Christians that would say otherwise, including Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, Mormons, etc. Sounds like you disagree with Woodznutz that there are only a small number of true Christians.

 

[Donald H]

Led by the Holy Spirit.

The word, LED! [\b]

Only Meriweather indicates a spirit that could be applicable. But only I as an atheist can claim to be faithful to a kind spirit that demonstrates the desired example. All others on this board are demonstrating a spirit of hate toward others. Meriweather is the only exception. (with exceptions)

Take Ding for example, who has at least demonstrated a mean-spirited persona that is the very opposite of the desired spirit.

 

[Donald H]

For if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.--Romans 10:9

Confess and believe.

You're not doing anything positive to convince non-believers that there is any truth in Christianity. All of the Christians eventually turn to needing to insult atheists.

 

[SweetSue92]

I don't know any Christians that would say otherwise, including Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, Mormons, etc. Sounds like you disagree with Woodznutz that there are only a small number of true Christians.

Catholics--yes, they would say this
Protestants--same
Orthodox--yes
Mormons--not Christian. They believe Jesus is the "spirit-brother" of Satan. So they are not even espousing the same Jesus, the one of the Bible.

Unbelievers often say we use the No True Scotsman fallacy when deciding who is or isn't a Christian. But the fallacy itself is a fallacy. "No true Scotsman drinks wine" is fallacious. "No true Scotsman is born in Argentina, to two Argentinian parents, whose ancestors have been Argentinian for generation" is not a fallacy. It's just true.

You can't confess the Jesus Christ of the Bible but not believe the Jesus Christ of the Bible and call yourself a Christian.

 

[alang1216]

Catholics--yes, they would say this
Protestants--same
Orthodox--yes
Mormons--not Christian. They believe Jesus is the "spirit-brother" of Satan. So they are not even espousing the same Jesus, the one of the Bible.

Unbelievers often say we use the No True Scotsman fallacy when deciding who is or isn't a Christian. But the fallacy itself is a fallacy. "No true Scotsman drinks wine" is fallacious. "No true Scotsman is born in Argentina, to two Argentinian parents, whose ancestors have been Argentinian for generation" is not a fallacy. It's just true.

You can't confess the Jesus Christ of the Bible but not believe the Jesus Christ of the Bible and call yourself a Christian.

Good answer but you presume you know the one true Bible. If the Bible is the work of committees of men over hundreds of years, how do we know what is truth. If the Bible is the work of God, how do we know God didn't write the Book of Mormon?

 

[BreezeWood]

You can't confess the Jesus Christ of the Bible but not believe the Jesus Christ of the Bible and call yourself a Christian.

primarily because jesus never claimed to be a jewish messiah ...

jesus had nothing to do w/ the christian bible written 400 years after their death and pertaining nothing for why they were crucified the refutation of judaism's false commandments, hereditary idolatry and the liberation theology, self determination they taught that did lead to their untimely death.

 

[ding]

My obligation is to Truth. If what I believe is untrue, I will discard it for the truth. Objectivity is central to my peace. The reason you see it that way is because I argue things that are true. It has nothing to do with me being superior and everything to do with truth being superior. I think what you are missing is that I come to religious forums to share what knowledge I have to to understand what people believe and why. I really have no other reason to be here.

Is that why you made up your mind at age 12?

 

[ding]

I think you are being disingenuous. I believe you started from your Catholic faith and looked to justify it as logical. You succeeded in making a logical case for a creator since little is understood about the creation of the universe. What reveals your true goal is that you extrapolated a creator to the God of the Bible.

I also started from a position of faith but my pursuit of logic led me to be an atheist.

How do you explain my 32 year absence?

You pursuit of logic at the age of 12?

 

[ding]

I think that the god wanted his flock to believe it was stored in the heavens but more recently science has discovered that it's stored in the earth's core.

They are fair and important questions but not in this topic! With you asking these questions, it's pretty clear that you have lost the bible stories! Please try to stay on topic.

But you said we should ask you questions. So you believe that the earth's core is responsible for AGW? Interesting.

 

[ding]

I will suggest that's not true of religions. Christians who are believers are and have declined greatly in numbers. I think it could be true that some Christians could become stronger in their beliefs now, since their church has permitted them to believe in more rational answers to Genesis particularly.

However, the more formally educated are still going to be faced with the church's contradiction.

The god created everything?

Maybe look at what happened when your militant atheist buddies tried to abolish religion.

 

[alang1216]

Is that why you made up your mind at age 12?

I first asked and answered at 12. Everything I've learned since only confirmed it.

 

[alang1216]

How do you explain my 32 year absence?

You pursuit of logic at the age of 12?

No clue about your absence?

Is there a minimum age to be logical and curious?

 

[ding]

I first asked and answered at 12. Everything I've learned since only confirmed it.

Funny how that worked.

 

[ding]

No clue about your absence?

Is there a minimum age to be logical and curious?

Yep, you don't have a clue. Needless to say, your thoughts about how I came to my faith are diametrically opposite to how I came to my faith.

 

[ding]

Is there a minimum age to be logical and curious?

Seriously? Yes, I'm sure you were full of knowledge and wisdom at 12. SMH