Has Fascism come to America?

[Coyote]

Hitler was an ultra-conservative...try again MAGAT.

Rightists trying to rewrite political history to disown their extremists. They need to man up and own it.

 

[Correll]

Rightists trying to rewrite political history to disown their extremists. They need to man up and own it.

He was a socialist and very anti-Christian.

His ideology has nothing in common with the modern MAGA.


He was all about genocidal military expansion and we are all about domestic policies and reducing foriegn entanglements.

 

[buttercup]

Thinking it started with Trump, is uniparty partisan stupidity.

That's the problem, a huge percentage of posters here are deeply stuck in the false left-right paradigm, not understanding that the global powers-that-shouldn't-be control both sides.

Until folks realize that, it's almost pointless to even try to have a discussion with them.

 

[Stann]

Why yes. It has. MAGA!

Seriously though, I never thought I would see this.


Source: What Is Fascism?

“Many experts agree that fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of the nation over the individual. This model of government stands in contrast to liberal democracies that support individual rights, competitive elections, and political dissent.

In many ways, fascist regimes are revolutionary in nature. They advocate for the overthrow of existing systems of government and the persecution of political enemies. However, such regimes are also highly conservative in their championing of traditional values.

And although fascist leaders typically claim to support the everyman, in reality, their regimes often align with powerful business interests.”


Sound familiar? It should.

Existing forms of government are being overthrown through the destruction of our institutions with the Executive usurping powers traditionally given to Congress and openly defying the courts when checked.

Note the last line: aligned with powerful business interests: Musk (who is raking in millions in government contracts), Bezos, Zuckerberg.


Characteristics of Facism:

Extreme Nationalism - check.

Fascist leaders believe in the supremacy of certain groups of people based on characteristics such as race, religion, ethnicity, and nationality.


Cult of personality - check.

Fascist regimes cultivate images of their leaders as great figures to be loved and admired. This cult of personality is often perpetuated through mass media and propaganda. …The Pope chalked up Il Duce’s survival of assassination attempts to divine intervention, adding to Mussolini’s mystique.


How did Fascists come to power? This is interesting, because it tracks what has actually been happening.

“It wasn’t overnight. History laid the groundwork – a pattern of liberal decay.

First, fascist parties gained a foothold in government through initially democratic means. However, over time, the party consolidated power, and ultimately secured their dictatorship.”

Note: Trump is seeking ways for a 3rd term and a Congressman is creating a bill to create a path to a 3rd term that only applies to Trump’s situation.

Andt fascism has a face now , trump.

 

[Missourian]

Why yes. It has. MAGA!

Seriously though, I never thought I would see this.


Source: What Is Fascism?

“Many experts agree that fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of the nation over the individual. This model of government stands in contrast to liberal democracies that support individual rights, competitive elections, and political dissent.

In many ways, fascist regimes are revolutionary in nature. They advocate for the overthrow of existing systems of government and the persecution of political enemies. However, such regimes are also highly conservative in their championing of traditional values.

And although fascist leaders typically claim to support the everyman, in reality, their regimes often align with powerful business interests.”


Sound familiar? It should.

Existing forms of government are being overthrown through the destruction of our institutions with the Executive usurping powers traditionally given to Congress and openly defying the courts when checked.

Note the last line: aligned with powerful business interests: Musk (who is raking in millions in government contracts), Bezos, Zuckerberg.


Characteristics of Facism:

Extreme Nationalism - check.

Fascist leaders believe in the supremacy of certain groups of people based on characteristics such as race, religion, ethnicity, and nationality.


Cult of personality - check.

Fascist regimes cultivate images of their leaders as great figures to be loved and admired. This cult of personality is often perpetuated through mass media and propaganda. …The Pope chalked up Il Duce’s survival of assassination attempts to divine intervention, adding to Mussolini’s mystique.


How did Fascists come to power? This is interesting, because it tracks what has actually been happening.

“It wasn’t overnight. History laid the groundwork – a pattern of liberal decay.

First, fascist parties gained a foothold in government through initially democratic means. However, over time, the party consolidated power, and ultimately secured their dictatorship.”

Note: Trump is seeking ways for a 3rd term and a Congressman is creating a bill to create a path to a 3rd term that only applies to Trump’s situation.

Please cite a fascists government that's goal was to make government smaller and less intrusive... I'll wait.

 

[Coyote]

Please cite a fascists government that's goal was to make government smaller and less intrusive... I'll wait.

Why? This administration is expanding government.

 

[Coyote]

He was a socialist and very anti-Christian.

He was a socialist until he was kicked out of the Socialist party after which he completely transformed his political ideology from one of class conflict to one of national identity and loyalty I.e. Fascism.

His ideology has nothing in common with the modern MAGA.

It has lots in common as I noted earlier.

He was all about genocidal military expansion and we are all about domestic policies and reducing foriegn entanglements.

You would think that is all we are about but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

We have upped our military involvement, aggressively bombing Yeman, threatening Greenland and talking about drone strikes in Mexico. Clearly we are not reducing foreign entanglements.

We are also building up our own military, prioritizing heavier weaponry. In addition, like Mussolini, the emphasis is on militant masculinity over diplomacy.

 

[Correll]

He was a socialist until he was kicked out of the Socialist party after which he completely transformed his political ideology from one of class conflict to one of national identity and loyalty I.e. Fascism.

Except, he didn't completely transform his political ideology. He was still all about totalitarian govenment control.

We're the party of freedom of speech, YOU'RE the party of censorship. FOR ONE LIMITED EXAMPLE.

It has lots in common as I noted earlier.

except, what you said was so moronic, that it was hard to even address.

You're a traitor who is more loyal to foriegners, than your fellow Americans.

You would think that is all we are about but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

We have upped our military involvement, aggressively bombing Yeman, threatening Greenland and talking about drone strikes in Mexico. Clearly we are not reducing foreign entanglements.

Yes, we are. GREENLAND, isn't going to be a war. It might be a big bride to a population. It likely will be nothing.

YOU are the one that wants endless war in ukraine or with russian.

We are also building up our own military, prioritizing heavier weaponry. In addition, like Mussolini, the emphasis is on militant masculinity over diplomacy.

You say those words without any concern that they are just made up shit talk.

 

[Missourian]

Why? This administration is expanding government.

They are? By reducing it's size and scope? Eliminating the bloat? Cutting the waste? Removing entire Departments? Where exactly are you seeing this 'expansion' specifically?

 

[Coyote]

They are? By reducing it's size and scope? Eliminating the bloat? Cutting the waste? Removing entire Departments? Where exactly are you seeing this 'expansion' specifically?

They are reducing in some areas, expanding far more intrusively in others. They’ve expanded with Doge, ICE, but mostly in the individual power exerted by the Executive.

 

[whitehall]

"Fascist" is usually the word commie kids scream when they are busted for dope. You have to wonder how the hell the crazy TDS left could accuse Trump of fascism after we lived through an era of genuine fascism during Covid courtesy of a mentally deranged president and a power hungry doctor. Is it "good" fascism during democrat administrations?

 

[gipper]

That's the problem, a huge percentage of posters here are deeply stuck in the false left-right paradigm, not understanding that the global powers-that-shouldn't-be control both sides.

Until folks realize that, it's almost pointless to even try to have a discussion with them.

So true. I’m tired of trying. I suspect many don’t want to accept the truth. They like wallowing in partisan stupidity.

 

[scruffy]

Why? This administration is expanding government.

Really?

That's why it just cut 40,000 government jobs?

Heads up, your bullshit isn't selling.

 

[Correll]

Really?

That's why it just cut 40,000 government jobs?

Heads up, your bullshit isn't selling.

Libtards just think that it they lie and stonewall, that they can make the rest of us pretend to believe the shit they say.

 

[Coyote]

Where to start......?
Candidate Trump was spied upon in 2015.
President Elect Trump was spied upon in 2016.
President Trump was spied upon in 2016.
"Opposition research" paid for by Hillary Clinton lead to multiple investigations and even an impeachment. Not to mention the ENDLESS stream of accusatory allegations from the DNC controlled MSM.
FISA Court ABUSES ensued.
Then a gain of function manufactured bio-warfare VIRUS was released, and the demented LEFT went into draconian control-freak mode to mess with the masses by coercing EVERYONE to get injections of an EXPERIMENTAL POTION that they call a "vaccine" after changing the very DEFINITION of what a vaccine actually is, all to rig and STEAL the 2020 election.
And THEN.......endless SOVIET LAWFARE BULLSHIT ensued to try to put Trump IN PRISON by twisting statutes 8n an effort to bankrupt Trump to keep him from running for reelection.
And THEN you mother fuckers TRIED TO ASSASINATE Trump and MISSED......TWICE!!!!!!!
Well, the American People across ALL DEMOGRAPHICS saw this fascism for what it IS. and OVERWHELMINGLY REJECTED YOU MARXIST LENINIST ZOMBIE ASSHOLES in a LANDSLIDE ELECTORAL ANS POPULAR VOTE VICTORY.
Don't fucking EVER dare to deny the fascist nature of the demented LEFT and what YOU and the rest of your subverted brigade of Marxist ASSHOLES put the People and Donald Trump through over the last DECADE.
In fact, you idiots can't help yourselves and CONTINUE your LAWFARE with federal district judges trying to thwart THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
So, coyote, you can kindly GO FUCK YOURSELF.

Well…that’s quite a rant, delving a bit too deeply into the Twilight Zone however. I’ll mark you as pro-fascist.

 

[Coyote]

Really?

That's why it just cut 40,000 government jobs?

Heads up, your bullshit isn't selling.

Power and reach isn’t dependent on the number of bodies in the civil service.

 

[gipper]

"Fascist" is usually the word commie kids scream when they are busted for dope. You have to wonder how the hell the crazy TDS left could accuse Trump of fascism after we lived through an era of genuine fascism during Covid courtesy of a mentally deranged president and a power hungry doctor. Is it "good" fascism during democrat administrations?

When and if you grow up, you’ll realize there is little difference between the two parties and the assholes chosen to be president.

 

[JimH52]

He was a socialist and very anti-Christian.

His ideology has nothing in common with the modern MAGA.


He was all about genocidal military expansion and we are all about domestic policies and reducing foriegn entanglements.

Tell the right wing NAZIs that marched in Charlottesville that. Don't be a stupid MAGAT.

 

[Nostra]

They are reducing in some areas, expanding far more intrusively in others. They’ve expanded with Doge, ICE, but mostly in the individual power exerted by the Executive.

DOGE is like a dozen people.

 

[Nostra]

Power and reach isn’t dependent on the number of bodies in the civil service.

What power does DOGE have that the government didn’t already have?