Has Fascism come to America?

[SeaMajor7]

Well…that’s quite a rant, delving a bit too deeply into the Twilight Zone however. I’ll mark you as pro-fascist.

You didn't refute anything I posted.
All that SHIT happened throughout the last DECADE.
Were you sleeping?
Is it lack of self-awareness, or gaslighting?
Do you deny (gasp) that all that happen?
Trump is your Road-Runner.
Meep-Meep.....pffffft....

Oh, and Trump is your Emmanual Goldstien.
Two-minutes HATE will NEVER be enough.

 

[Lesh]

Trump is now talking about deporting AMERICAN CITIZENS to that prison in El Salvador

 

[Correll]

Trump is now talking about deporting AMERICAN CITIZENS to that prison in El Salvador

What did he ACTUALLY say? In context.

 

[Mac1958]

Why? This administration is expanding government.

And trying to concentrate power under one man, even going so far as to question the authority of the courts.

Very few things surprise me at this point, but it was pretty shocking when Vance said that.

Either the rubes don't understand what they are enabling, OR it's EXACTLY what they want.

 

[Correll]

And trying to concentrate power under one man, even going so far as to question the authority of the courts.

Very few things surprise me at this point, but it was pretty shocking when Vance said that.

Either the rubes don't understand what they are enabling, OR it's EXACTLY what they want.

The courts are overstepping their bounds.

 

[SeaMajor7]

And trying to concentrate power under one man, even going so far as to question the authority of the courts.

Very few things surprise me at this point, but it was pretty shocking when Vance said that.

Either the rubes don't understand what they are enabling, OR it's EXACTLY what they want.

The OVER-POLITICIZED courts need to stay in their lane.
It is useful IDIOTS like YOU that ENABLE THEM.

 

[Mac1958]

And for the zillionth time, they jump in to illustrate my point for me.

 

[Correll]

And for the zillionth time, they jump in to illustrate my point for me.

Actually, we addressed your point, instead of just spewing ORANGE MAN BAD.


So, you refuse to engage.


As per that vid I offered you.

 

[SeaMajor7]

And for the zillionth time, they jump in to illustrate my point for me.

You're only outing yourself, stupid.
Self-awareness is LOST on the demented LEFT.

 

[Tyrion234]

What Is Fascism?

According to this source there are 5 stages of Fascism.

Stage 1: Emerging out of disillusionment

Covid lockdowns, economic downturn and supply chain meltdowns, inflation, political instability (false claims of 2020 election fraud), etc.

Economic crisis spurs a nationalist political movement blaming immigrants and ethnic minorities for the country’s turmoil.


Stage 2: Establishing Legitimacy as a Political Party

The Trumpification of the Republican Party


Popular mobilization

… fascist regimes seek to energize public participation in society through government-organized channels. Both Mussolini and Hitler, for instance, drew massive crowds in rallies intended to stir up enthusiasm for the country, the party, and the leader.

Trump has the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers as his “Blackshirts” – fascist citizen militias loyal to Trump. Trump has also pardoned them from any crimes or violence on his behalf and made it clear his DoJ will not prosecute them for anything in the future . In addition to those more organized militias he has a fervent and large core of MAGA followers willing to commit populist violence on his behalf. January 6 is the defining moment for the movement.

Of note, like Mussolini’s Fascism – Trump’s fascist militants have skirmished with groups like ANTIFA, and leftist protestors (labeled socialists and Marxists) protesting his policies.

Like other Fascist groups, the MAGA movement also blames specific groups for the country’s seeming demise and undermining efforts to make America Great AGAIN.

Immigrants (not just illegal immigrants), Black People, DEI, Transgender people.

Please link to proud boys and oath keepers “crimes” you so casually mention

 

[jbrownson0831]

Thanks for giving a thoughtful response (few have).

I go by the definition of fascism that I referenced, it seemed the most comprehensive one I came across.

I don’t see Trump as actually reducing the size of government so much as changing its composition, emphasis and reach. “Big Government” isn’t just about bodies and agencies.

Trump’s government is reaching far more deeply into our lives and into areas previously deemed non-political than that of any other administration in my lifetime.

Direct political attacks (using the power of his position) on universities, academic freedom and free speech. Mandating who and how they admit, as well as clamping down on free speech that is in opposition to the Administration’s priorities.

Directly attacking law firms that either prosecuted him or his administration or defended his opponents in various legal actions. In addition, using the power of his administration to threaten or cut off grants funding lawyers who represent immigrants or challenge his policies on civil rights grounds.

Many people who have been affected are afraid to speak out out of fear of government retaliation.

Everyone in this country has certain basic rights, citizen and non-citizen. This administration is going through social media as well using other sources (such lists of names provided by opposing groups) to hunt down people who have either supported Palestinian rights or opposed the war in Gaza, cancelling their visas, and sending ICE (in masks) to grab them and send them hundreds of miles away, out of reach and communication with legal assistance and family.

That is one example of the attack on several very fundamental rights in this country. And this, to me, manifests the most intrusive and seemingly unaccountable Big Government.






Well, I’m going to disagree and Ialso remember how the Right treated Obama. Trump was attacking people from Day 1 of his first administration and behaved in ways no other president has, you can’t ignore his own behavior in this.

As far as persecuted, I listed examples of that above. Add to it, anyone who worked in DEI for example. They specifically stated those people should be fired rather than transferred to other positions when they closed down the units. Even people who once worked in a position considered DEI and were in a different job, were fired.




They are, to the extent every political party tends to be. But how directly are they involved in actual formation and carrying out of policy the way Musk is for example?



I think most presidents have pushed the envelope on separation of powers, however I have never seen one to the extent Trump has.




I disagree. Democrats don’t believe in “superiority” of any particular group. That is not to say they aren’t divisive and in general, what drives them is more on issues of equity and class.


Bezos has altered the Washington Post to comply with Trump, Fox (which is mass media) is essentially a mouth piece for him.




BUT…they opted not to didn’t they?

Do you really think he is jerking chains? There are so many crazy things he has said that he ended up acting on.



Hitler, no. Mussolini? Mmm maybe.

He is pushing for a military build up both in weaponry and budget. The fact that he thinks we should ignore the Geneva conventions and focus on “lethality”disturbs me hugely

312-226...America won, you lost.

 

[Coyote]

And trying to concentrate power under one man, even going so far as to question the authority of the courts.

Very few things surprise me at this point, but it was pretty shocking when Vance said that.

Either the rubes don't understand what they are enabling, OR it's EXACTLY what they want.

I think it is a bit of both. They believe the Executive defines the Constitution, not Vice versa, and that the branches are not co-equal. The Executive can over-rule or edit any court or congressional action.

 

[SeaMajor7]

I think it is a bit of both. They believe the Executive defines the Constitution, not Vice versa, and that the branches are not co-equal. The Executive can over-rule or edit any court or congressional action.

The courts have overstepped their roll and they think that they RULE the Executive branch. In actuality, all they are doing is purposely stalling the Executive's agenda THAT THE PEOPLE VOTED FOR.
You can twist yourself into a pretzel all you want, THAT is what's happening.

 

[Coyote]

The courts have overstepped their roll and they think that they RULE the Executive branch. In actuality, all they are doing is purposely stalling the Executive's agenda THAT THE PEOPLE VOTED FOR.
You can twist yourself into a pretzel all you want, THAT is what's happening.

I’m afraid you have that wrong. The Executive feels he is not bound by the courts just as he is not bound by Congressional appropriations.

As to what the people voted for? Idiocracy.

 

[SeaMajor7]

I’m afraid you have that wrong. The Executive feels he is not bound by the courts just as he is not bound by Congressional appropriations.

As to what the people voted for? Idiocracy.

 

[JimH52]

And trying to concentrate power under one man, even going so far as to question the authority of the courts.

Very few things surprise me at this point, but it was pretty shocking when Vance said that.

Either the rubes don't understand what they are enabling, OR it's EXACTLY what they want.

Remember that Orban was a guest speaker at their CPAC. That is exactly what they want. The 2026 mid-terms are the most important in our history. trump is setting up a system to rig the election, by whatever means he can. If repubs hold congress, the country is doomed.

 

[Mac1958]

Remember that Orban was a guest speaker at their CPAC. That is exactly what they want. The 2026 mid-terms are the most important in our history. trump is setting up a system to rig the election, by whatever means he can. If repubs hold congress, the country is doomed.

Yes, Orban is definitely the modern day template. And they haven't really tried to hide it.

 

[jbrownson0831]

Rightists trying to rewrite political history to disown their extremists. They need to man up and own it.

Awwww, jimboliar loves it when another backwards post supports his clownlike ideas.....

 

[jbrownson0831]

I’m afraid you have that wrong. The Executive feels he is not bound by the courts just as he is not bound by Congressional appropriations.

As to what the people voted for? Idiocracy.

312-226....so some of your ilk are idiots too then.

 

[Independent thinker]

Why yes. It has. MAGA!

Seriously though, I never thought I would see this.


Source: What Is Fascism?

“Many experts agree that fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of the nation over the individual. This model of government stands in contrast to liberal democracies that support individual rights, competitive elections, and political dissent.

In many ways, fascist regimes are revolutionary in nature. They advocate for the overthrow of existing systems of government and the persecution of political enemies. However, such regimes are also highly conservative in their championing of traditional values.

And although fascist leaders typically claim to support the everyman, in reality, their regimes often align with powerful business interests.”


Sound familiar? It should.

Existing forms of government are being overthrown through the destruction of our institutions with the Executive usurping powers traditionally given to Congress and openly defying the courts when checked.

Note the last line: aligned with powerful business interests: Musk (who is raking in millions in government contracts), Bezos, Zuckerberg.


Characteristics of Facism:

Extreme Nationalism - check.

Fascist leaders believe in the supremacy of certain groups of people based on characteristics such as race, religion, ethnicity, and nationality.


Cult of personality - check.

Fascist regimes cultivate images of their leaders as great figures to be loved and admired. This cult of personality is often perpetuated through mass media and propaganda. …The Pope chalked up Il Duce’s survival of assassination attempts to divine intervention, adding to Mussolini’s mystique.


How did Fascists come to power? This is interesting, because it tracks what has actually been happening.

“It wasn’t overnight. History laid the groundwork – a pattern of liberal decay.

First, fascist parties gained a foothold in government through initially democratic means. However, over time, the party consolidated power, and ultimately secured their dictatorship.”

Note: Trump is seeking ways for a 3rd term and a Congressman is creating a bill to create a path to a 3rd term that only applies to Trump’s situation.

It did but we voted it out last November, while we were still able to vote somewhat fairly.