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Who cares about a minor munitions factory? The destruction of the military headquarters and slaughter of twenty thousand Japanese soldiers was quite satisfactory.
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The idea wasn't to defeat the Americans, but to sicken the American public by the massive losses on both sides. They thought the US would then allow Japan to return to status quo ante with no consequences to the Japanese ruling class.Yeah and you think they could have beaten the US military. Lol.
They thought the US would then allow Japan to return to status quo ante with no consequences to the Japanese ruling class.
This article contains a number of blatant falsehoods.Hiroshima and the Myths of Military Targets and Unconditional Surrender
Every year, in early August, new articles appear that debate whether the dropping of the atomic bombs in 1945 was justified. Earlier this month, the 75th anniversary of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki attacks, was no exception.www.lawfareblog.com
There were official estimates that invading Japan could result in a million American deaths, plus millions more Americans maimed and gravely wounded.The Hopkins claim was the most recent inflation of estimates building on what Rufus Miles called the “myth of half a million American lives saved.” Secretary of War Henry Stimson originally claimed in his famous 1947 Harper’s article that an invasion was expected to produce “over a million American casualties [wounded and killed] to American forces alone” (emphasis added). Winston Churchill, in his memoirs, claimed instead that the invasion would have produced one million American fatalities and an additional 500,000 thousand allied fatalities. But the serious historians studying this issue come to a different conclusion, finding that the range of estimates of U.S. deaths in the 1945 military records was significantly lower than the mythical half a million figure.
Another lie. About 15% of the dead at Hiroshima were Japanese soldiers.Although Hiroshima contained some military-related industrial facilities—an army headquarters and troop-loading docks—the vibrant city of over a quarter of a million men, women and children was hardly “a military base.” Indeed, less than 10 percent of the individuals killed on Aug. 6, 1945, were Japanese military personnel.
Truman had no ability to try it earlier, since Japan was not willing to try it before August 10.As is true with all counterfactuals, we can’t know with certainty whether the Japanese government would have surrendered without the dropping of the bomb if this compromise had been offered when Stimson suggested. Among the many tragedies of Hiroshima, however, is that Truman refused to try this diplomatic maneuver earlier.
All sorts of lies here. The US didn't intentionally attack civilians. The identified military targets in Hiroshima were highly significant and far from modest.The international law of armed conflict has evolved considerably since 1945, and an attack like that against Hiroshima would be illegal today. It would violate three requirements of the law of armed conflict codified in the 1977 Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions: to not intentionally attack civilians (the principle of distinction); to ensure that incidental damage against civilians is not excessive compared to the direct military advantage gained from an attack against a lawful target (the principle of proportionality), especially where, as here, the value of the identified military targets in Hiroshima was modest; and to take all feasible precautions to minimize collateral damage against civilians (the precautionary principle).
Truman didn't demand unconditional surrender. The Potsdam Proclamation was a list of surrender terms.Because it would have entailed the awful human costs of an invasion, Truman’s demand for Japan’s unconditional surrender to end the war was indefensible. Seeking to avoid the larger losses that would flow from an unjust demand for unconditional surrender cannot justify the Hiroshima attack.
Both cities were major naval bases. Both were producing weapons to be used against the invading Americans. Unlike the Germans, the Japanese had distributed their war production in mom-and-pop factories located in civilian areas. There was no way to bomb factories without killing civilians.Complete lie.
Not really. All those Americans did indeed live.You may know that, but it’s absolutely wrong.
Bombing military targets is not a war crime.Nothing but propaganda to cover for Truman’s heinous war crime.
You sure do like murdering innocent people.He should have been hung like the Nazis at Nuremberg.
That Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military targets is no lie.Yeah. Kill those defenseless women and children based on a lie. Too stupid.
Bombing military targets is neither murder nor a war crime.Mass murdering defenseless women and children is ALWAYS a war crime.
Military targets are not civilians, and bombing military targets is not murder.We know your strategy. Mass murdering defenseless civilians just like a fucking Nazi.
Fake news. Never happened.Do you think MacArthur did the right thing when he encouraged fdr to investigate overtures to surrender prior to Yalta?
Fake news. Never happened.Overtures to surrender had been floated via the Russians and through Swiss envoys, but the bloodthirsty fdr rejected the notion out of hand.
Fake news. Never happened.Tell that to MacArthur. He wrote fdr a 47 page letter about it. fdr threw the letter in the garbage (much the same way he considered the Constitution and the lives of US servicemen).
Fake News. Never happened.If fdr had any interest in peace, the war might have ended BEFORE Okinawa.
Fake news. Never happened.MacArthur informed the bloodthirsty scumbag that overtures to surrender had been sent out prior to his leaving for Yalta.
Fake news. Never happened.The bloodthirsty fdr rejected the notion out of hand, thus strengthening the position of the hardliners in the Japanese government and undermining those who were considering offering the same terms of surrender that we eventually accepted anyway AFTER incinerating hundreds of thousands of civilians, and AFTER the terrible loss of US servicemen at Iwo Jima, Okinawa and other battles that might need not ever happened.
Appeals to authority are logical fallacies.Quite a few of America's top military leaders of that time disagreed with you. Are you a general or an admiral?
Fake news. Never happened.Gen. MacArthur disagrees with you. The terms that he informed fdr about turned out to be the very same as the ones we eventually accepted anyway.
No civilians were targeted. The atomic bombs were dropped on military targets.So, the atomic bombs were dropped in revenge for medical experiments? Do you have a link to a document indicating that as the specific justification for specifically targeting and killing civilians?
Why did Japan refuse to surrender until after both atomic bombs had already been dropped?Because they could not win.Why would Japan surrender?
It's a shame Japan didn't give us that option.Imagine if there had never been a Battle of Okinawa.
Consider it denied. Japan refused to surrender until after both atomic bombs had already been dropped.You can't deny it, so you try to dismiss it.
Fake news. Never happened.Kind of like what that SOB fdr did.
A perfect example of fake news.
Article clipped from Chicago Tribune
Clipping found in Chicago Tribune published in Chicago, Illinois on 8/14/1965.www.newspapers.com
Yes we did. Pearl Harbor and the Bataan Death March demanded it.We didn’t need to occupy Japan.
Except, there was. Pearl Harbor and Bataan demanded it.You’re not getting this. There was no need to invade and occupy Japan.
We weren't about to go home, but even if we would have been willing to do so, Japan was still refusing to surrender.Accept their surrender and go home.
No, you are the one who is wrong. Japan's request was that Hirohito retain unlimited dictatorial power as Japan's living deity. Truman refused and told them that Hirohito would be subordinate to MacArthur.Wrong as always. I’ve shown you this for years. The army must have removed your brain.
All Japan asked is don’t touch the emperor. This your beloved Dirty Harry agreed to AFTER his massacre of thousands of women and babies.
Non-Japanese Asian civilians were dying at a rate of at least 100,000 a month under the tender mercies of Japanese occupation.I have never seen a report of Japanese slaughtering civilians in 1945
Do you have one?
Invasion was necessary until Japan surrendered. They did not surrender until after the second atomic bomb had been dropped.But once we had the bomb and nobody else did……Invasion was no longer necessary
That was way too long of a wait. We should have recast the uranium from Little Boy into a bunch of composite implosion cores back in the early summer.We gave them three days
That was Japan's position at the time, but note that Japan wasn't even presenting that offer to us. All we heard from Japan was stony silence.Reasonable? Again for the slow and amazingly STUPID, before the nukes ALL Japan offered was a ceasefire and return to 41 start lines.
Aren’t you a Kiwi?You’re not getting this. There was no need to invade and occupy Japan. Accept their surrender and go home.
Every major bombing kills defenseless people.A day that shall live in infamy.
Shame.
Mass murder of defenseless women and children, is nothing short of the most heinous thing a nation can do.
.Hiroshima and the Myths of Military Targets and Unconditional Surrender
Every year, in early August, new articles appear that debate whether the dropping of the atomic bombs in 1945 was justified. Earlier this month, the 75th anniversary of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki attacks, was no exception.
.Do you think MacArthur did the right thing when he encouraged fdr to investigate overtures to surrender prior to Yalta?
.Overtures to surrender had been floated via the Russians and through Swiss envoys, but the bloodthirsty fdr rejected the notion out of hand.
.Tell that to MacArthur. He wrote fdr a 47 page letter about it. fdr threw the letter in the garbage (much the same way he considered the Constitution and the lives of US servicemen).
.If fdr had any interest in peace, the war might have ended BEFORE Okinawa.
