Gone keto. Anyone else out there in USMB land?

[Darkwind]

Hmm...I never really considered making My own blu cheese dressing. A lot of the how to's show people using mayo as one of the ingredients.

I know a few places were you can buy avocado oil based mayo so that might help.

What's the deal with soy?

Vastator

 

[Vastator]

Hmm...I never really considered making My own blu cheese dressing. A lot of the how to's show people using mayo as one of the ingredients.

I know a few places were you can buy avocado oil based mayo so that might help.

What's the deal with soy?

Vastator

Estrogen, for one thing; and... Is Soybean Oil Unhealthy? What The Science Says

 

[Darkwind]

There is a doctor out there -- can't recall his name off the top of My head -- that was a keto proponent who when fully carnivore. He claims all of his health and blood markers (with the exception of cholesterol) are textbook.

I found his statements about his cholesterol interesting in that the thinking on how your body gets cholesterol from food has been moving decidedly away from it being a red flag. Science is now thinking that the body makes 90% of its cholesterol and that only 10% comes from diet.

Anyway, he said that his cholesterol levels were in the range of 300 or something like that.

For Me, I am insulin sensitive (comes from a lifetime of drinking beer and eating to much), and the keto regime is the perfect way to get My borderline diabetes in check.

I've just recently started this diet, so I'll be watching the markers to be sure things are going well. I always do a lot of reserch before jumping in to something.

I'm years and years deep, we can call it "balls deep" into the research and experimentation. If you ever had any questions, hollar.

I started before any of this was a fad - back in the late 90s/early 2000s. Instead of following any diet, I monitored my "fullness" and sluggishness after meals and discovered that lean meats and greens worked best for my body. The low-carb fad happened after I already knew about this shit, and the whirlwind of dumb-assery that followed really pissed me off.

There's the hard heads that just say "balance," that don't realize that a single sniff of a slice of bread for some folks makes them gain 45lbs just looking at it. There IS NO one size fits all, and different comboes of foods make different bodies react in different ways. This seems to be the missing link.

Then, there's the other extremists who start to yo-yo and have no self control. Gain lose/gain lose, ad infinitum.


The keto thing is an easier approach than what I do, because the fats replace the fullness that the lack of carbs creates a vacuum for. Still, personally, I stick to way below the recommended keto amount of fat because the caloric intake seems to mitigate the speed of the fat loss.

I have tons and tons of little hacks of flavor that satiate cravings while maintaining the regimen. A friend and I have been kicking ideas back and forth for years, it really helps and it's pretty fun, too.

Of course, low carbs has not been a secret to the weight lifting community, as they know that going low carb get them the 'shredded' look they are out to achieve.

I tend to work long hours on a per shift basis, so convenience has always been a big factor with Me. That makes it difficult to stick to any kind of diet when on the run 14 hours a day. So I'm still in the 'feeling My way' stage of meal preps on My days off. The difficulty is trying to find a balance where I can make enough meals ahead of time that they won't start to go bad or just become disgusting by the third day out from their prep. I've moved to do some crockpot recipes and I was gifted an 'Instant Pot' last Christmas. That thing is amazing. I can do a weeks worth of food in under 12 minutes! I have a low carb chili that is pretty good.

The most amazing part so far is how easy the 16/8 fasting scheme works. I really don't start to feel hungry until about 15 hours after My last meal and that is a tell-tale sign that it is working.

I can spell, honest. lol edited to correct spelling.

A good little snack pack for me is some deli chicken breast roll ups with a small strip of ranch in the center.

Microwave steamed broccoli bags are like a buck at the grocer, and there's studies that show that flash-frozen veggies hold their nutritional value better than the produce aisle.....so in other words, it's an old wive's tale and not scientific that un-frozen is fresher. The microwavable veggies thing has saved me tons of time - I rock a back and forth between broccoli and asparagus for those. I steam the broccoli, and then throw it in the fridge and eat it like 3 times per bag. I eat it cold, and throw some lemon juice on it. I learned that it was tasty after some fancy restaurant that I worked at dressed-up their shrimp cocktail trays with cold lemon-broccoli.

I also buy those tubs of kale/spinach mix, and every 2nd day I toss them into my magic bullet with my protein shakes.

That's another time saver - the magic bullet. You can get everything you need in a few seconds and then a few sips. I bought mine like 5 years ago for $100, use it every day, and it's still knocking anything apart.

Taco salads are also fine for keto....and they're fulfilling.

I'll eat broccoli, but I'm not a huge fan. I prefer cauliflower, and there is a nice reciepe for roasting cauliflower and then coating them like chicken wings. A good olive oil/garlic with a touch of hot sauce and they're excellent and keep well in the fridge.

I do buy the minute, self venting veggies but you have to be careful to get the ones without any sauce in them. Effin hidden carbs everywhere!

yeah forget the saucy ones, make our own!

Yeah, I'm thinking a butter/garlic sauce might be good with the broccoli.

 

[Likkmee]

Adkins was the guy who had it right.

 

[Blues Man]

Past Paleo. Whoa geeze. Costing a fortune initially but I think its worth it. At least my local food bank just got the benefits of my pantry.

Yes. I've started a keto diet. Basically, keto is all about the macros.

5% carbs, protein 15 - 20%, the rest in fats.

It is amazing the number of lies being told to the world with regard to fats.

Anyway, your body stores about a total of 4 days worth of glycogen(carbs). Once those stores are used up, your liver turns on the cells that burn ketotones (fat) instead of glucose.

Since the body normally stores about 700k calories in fat, as you can imagine, you have a lot of energy to sustain you when you give up the sugars.

The side effect is weight loss, but the most important part of the diet is what it does to blood insulin levels. For people who are insulin sensitive, it brings the insulin in the blood down over time to the normal range and that is a huge health benefit.

The diet also provides more clarity of thought, longer and more sustained energy during the day, better emotional stability, and vivid dreams.

It does have a downside.


No beer.













So I gave it up!!!!









I'm kidding of course. Once you get past the keto flu, you'll feel amazing. Oh, and if you stay away from the commercial products, it isn't all that much more expensive because you actually end up eating less frequently.

Keto has become all about pissing on a stick and getting a dark purple reading

Nonsense. That only works for the beginning stages of ketosis; when in response to the change the body produces excess ketones. After prolonged ketosis the body settles into producing only what is needed. As such a person who has been in ketosis for weeks won’t be producing excess ketones; whereby they won’t be excreting high enough ketone concentration to get a response from piss strips.
No offense but... You seem to have some pretty strong opinions about this matter; which you obviously know little about...

Yeah then why are extraneous ketones being sold as keto supplments?

And I know plenty about ketogenic diets and have used them in the past but like I said anyone who says eating an apple or an orange is ill advised because it will knock you out of ketosis is someone I don't listen to.

A healthy well balanced diet will have you sliding in and out of ketosis without you even noticcing

 

[G.T.]

Past Paleo. Whoa geeze. Costing a fortune initially but I think its worth it. At least my local food bank just got the benefits of my pantry.

Yes. I've started a keto diet. Basically, keto is all about the macros.

5% carbs, protein 15 - 20%, the rest in fats.

It is amazing the number of lies being told to the world with regard to fats.

Anyway, your body stores about a total of 4 days worth of glycogen(carbs). Once those stores are used up, your liver turns on the cells that burn ketotones (fat) instead of glucose.

Since the body normally stores about 700k calories in fat, as you can imagine, you have a lot of energy to sustain you when you give up the sugars.

The side effect is weight loss, but the most important part of the diet is what it does to blood insulin levels. For people who are insulin sensitive, it brings the insulin in the blood down over time to the normal range and that is a huge health benefit.

The diet also provides more clarity of thought, longer and more sustained energy during the day, better emotional stability, and vivid dreams.

It does have a downside.


No beer.













So I gave it up!!!!









I'm kidding of course. Once you get past the keto flu, you'll feel amazing. Oh, and if you stay away from the commercial products, it isn't all that much more expensive because you actually end up eating less frequently.

Keto has become all about pissing on a stick and getting a dark purple reading

Nonsense. That only works for the beginning stages of ketosis; when in response to the change the body produces excess ketones. After prolonged ketosis the body settles into producing only what is needed. As such a person who has been in ketosis for weeks won’t be producing excess ketones; whereby they won’t be excreting high enough ketone concentration to get a response from piss strips.
No offense but... You seem to have some pretty strong opinions about this matter; which you obviously know little about...

Yeah then why are extraneous ketones being sold as keto supplments?

And I know plenty about ketogenic diets and have used them in the past but like I said anyone who says eating an apple or an orange is ill advised because it will knock you out of ketosis is someone I don't listen to.

A healthy well balanced diet will have you sliding in and out of ketosis without you even noticcing

Some people have a bad insulin response to apples and oranges. You should know what's good for you, and stop bullshitting past that.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

OP is gone.

My cousin and his wife are doing keto, it's definitely working for them, no carbs. Not even cake at Christmas.

Not sure if worth it. No beans, either. Screw that!

Do you need to lose weight?

Need? Probably not. Would like to lose a few? Sure. Idk if you've ever seen Scarface ranting about getting old, but that's where I am (halfway), and I used to have the Body of David. I still have most of the muscle.

You mean him?

I saw him in Florence once.

Better not reveal any more. I have to remember where I am.

He brought my wife to tears when we visited him

 

[Blues Man]

Past Paleo. Whoa geeze. Costing a fortune initially but I think its worth it. At least my local food bank just got the benefits of my pantry.

Yes. I've started a keto diet. Basically, keto is all about the macros.

5% carbs, protein 15 - 20%, the rest in fats.

It is amazing the number of lies being told to the world with regard to fats.

Anyway, your body stores about a total of 4 days worth of glycogen(carbs). Once those stores are used up, your liver turns on the cells that burn ketotones (fat) instead of glucose.

Since the body normally stores about 700k calories in fat, as you can imagine, you have a lot of energy to sustain you when you give up the sugars.

The side effect is weight loss, but the most important part of the diet is what it does to blood insulin levels. For people who are insulin sensitive, it brings the insulin in the blood down over time to the normal range and that is a huge health benefit.

The diet also provides more clarity of thought, longer and more sustained energy during the day, better emotional stability, and vivid dreams.

It does have a downside.


No beer.













So I gave it up!!!!









I'm kidding of course. Once you get past the keto flu, you'll feel amazing. Oh, and if you stay away from the commercial products, it isn't all that much more expensive because you actually end up eating less frequently.

Keto has become all about pissing on a stick and getting a dark purple reading

Nonsense. That only works for the beginning stages of ketosis; when in response to the change the body produces excess ketones. After prolonged ketosis the body settles into producing only what is needed. As such a person who has been in ketosis for weeks won’t be producing excess ketones; whereby they won’t be excreting high enough ketone concentration to get a response from piss strips.
No offense but... You seem to have some pretty strong opinions about this matter; which you obviously know little about...

Yeah then why are extraneous ketones being sold as keto supplments?

And I know plenty about ketogenic diets and have used them in the past but like I said anyone who says eating an apple or an orange is ill advised because it will knock you out of ketosis is someone I don't listen to.

A healthy well balanced diet will have you sliding in and out of ketosis without you even noticcing

Some people have a bad insulin response to apples and oranges. You should know what's good for you, and stop bullshitting past that.

Some people

not most people

People who are insulin resistant usually get that way after years of poor diet habits

 

[Darkwind]

Past Paleo. Whoa geeze. Costing a fortune initially but I think its worth it. At least my local food bank just got the benefits of my pantry.

Yes. I've started a keto diet. Basically, keto is all about the macros.

5% carbs, protein 15 - 20%, the rest in fats.

It is amazing the number of lies being told to the world with regard to fats.

Anyway, your body stores about a total of 4 days worth of glycogen(carbs). Once those stores are used up, your liver turns on the cells that burn ketotones (fat) instead of glucose.

Since the body normally stores about 700k calories in fat, as you can imagine, you have a lot of energy to sustain you when you give up the sugars.

The side effect is weight loss, but the most important part of the diet is what it does to blood insulin levels. For people who are insulin sensitive, it brings the insulin in the blood down over time to the normal range and that is a huge health benefit.

The diet also provides more clarity of thought, longer and more sustained energy during the day, better emotional stability, and vivid dreams.

It does have a downside.


No beer.













So I gave it up!!!!









I'm kidding of course. Once you get past the keto flu, you'll feel amazing. Oh, and if you stay away from the commercial products, it isn't all that much more expensive because you actually end up eating less frequently.

Keto has become all about pissing on a stick and getting a dark purple reading

Nonsense. That only works for the beginning stages of ketosis; when in response to the change the body produces excess ketones. After prolonged ketosis the body settles into producing only what is needed. As such a person who has been in ketosis for weeks won’t be producing excess ketones; whereby they won’t be excreting high enough ketone concentration to get a response from piss strips.
No offense but... You seem to have some pretty strong opinions about this matter; which you obviously know little about...

Yeah then why are extraneous ketones being sold as keto supplments?

And I know plenty about ketogenic diets and have used them in the past but like I said anyone who says eating an apple or an orange is ill advised because it will knock you out of ketosis is someone I don't listen to.

A healthy well balanced diet will have you sliding in and out of ketosis without you even noticcing

Which proves the point made earlier. Some people just follow fads and do stupid shit. That does NOT invalidate the entire science behind the diet.

Besides, a better source of energy is medium chain triglycerides, or MCT.

Medium-chain triglyceride - Wikipedia

I put a capful in My morning coffee. Has zero taste and gives a boost to the ketone burning machine.

 

[Darkwind]

Yes. I've started a keto diet. Basically, keto is all about the macros.

5% carbs, protein 15 - 20%, the rest in fats.

It is amazing the number of lies being told to the world with regard to fats.

Anyway, your body stores about a total of 4 days worth of glycogen(carbs). Once those stores are used up, your liver turns on the cells that burn ketotones (fat) instead of glucose.

Since the body normally stores about 700k calories in fat, as you can imagine, you have a lot of energy to sustain you when you give up the sugars.

The side effect is weight loss, but the most important part of the diet is what it does to blood insulin levels. For people who are insulin sensitive, it brings the insulin in the blood down over time to the normal range and that is a huge health benefit.

The diet also provides more clarity of thought, longer and more sustained energy during the day, better emotional stability, and vivid dreams.

It does have a downside.


No beer.













So I gave it up!!!!









I'm kidding of course. Once you get past the keto flu, you'll feel amazing. Oh, and if you stay away from the commercial products, it isn't all that much more expensive because you actually end up eating less frequently.

Keto has become all about pissing on a stick and getting a dark purple reading

Nonsense. That only works for the beginning stages of ketosis; when in response to the change the body produces excess ketones. After prolonged ketosis the body settles into producing only what is needed. As such a person who has been in ketosis for weeks won’t be producing excess ketones; whereby they won’t be excreting high enough ketone concentration to get a response from piss strips.
No offense but... You seem to have some pretty strong opinions about this matter; which you obviously know little about...

Yeah then why are extraneous ketones being sold as keto supplments?

And I know plenty about ketogenic diets and have used them in the past but like I said anyone who says eating an apple or an orange is ill advised because it will knock you out of ketosis is someone I don't listen to.

A healthy well balanced diet will have you sliding in and out of ketosis without you even noticcing

Some people have a bad insulin response to apples and oranges. You should know what's good for you, and stop bullshitting past that.

Some people

not most people

People who are insulin resistant usually get that way after years of poor diet habits

Have you looked at America lately?

Some people? Only if you count 'some' as like 70%.

America became fat. When did they become fat? When the government told them that fats were bad for them and that they should switch to a whole grain diet that is alleged, 'balanced'.

Government dietary guidelines are a joke. So is the myth of 'a balanced diet'.

 

[Blues Man]

Past Paleo. Whoa geeze. Costing a fortune initially but I think its worth it. At least my local food bank just got the benefits of my pantry.

Yes. I've started a keto diet. Basically, keto is all about the macros.

5% carbs, protein 15 - 20%, the rest in fats.

It is amazing the number of lies being told to the world with regard to fats.

Anyway, your body stores about a total of 4 days worth of glycogen(carbs). Once those stores are used up, your liver turns on the cells that burn ketotones (fat) instead of glucose.

Since the body normally stores about 700k calories in fat, as you can imagine, you have a lot of energy to sustain you when you give up the sugars.

The side effect is weight loss, but the most important part of the diet is what it does to blood insulin levels. For people who are insulin sensitive, it brings the insulin in the blood down over time to the normal range and that is a huge health benefit.

The diet also provides more clarity of thought, longer and more sustained energy during the day, better emotional stability, and vivid dreams.

It does have a downside.


No beer.













So I gave it up!!!!









I'm kidding of course. Once you get past the keto flu, you'll feel amazing. Oh, and if you stay away from the commercial products, it isn't all that much more expensive because you actually end up eating less frequently.

Keto has become all about pissing on a stick and getting a dark purple reading

Nonsense. That only works for the beginning stages of ketosis; when in response to the change the body produces excess ketones. After prolonged ketosis the body settles into producing only what is needed. As such a person who has been in ketosis for weeks won’t be producing excess ketones; whereby they won’t be excreting high enough ketone concentration to get a response from piss strips.
No offense but... You seem to have some pretty strong opinions about this matter; which you obviously know little about...

Yeah then why are extraneous ketones being sold as keto supplments?

And I know plenty about ketogenic diets and have used them in the past but like I said anyone who says eating an apple or an orange is ill advised because it will knock you out of ketosis is someone I don't listen to.

A healthy well balanced diet will have you sliding in and out of ketosis without you even noticcing

Which proves the point made earlier. Some people just follow fads and do stupid shit. That does NOT invalidate the entire science behind the diet.

Besides, a better source of energy is medium chain triglycerides, or MCT.

Medium-chain triglyceride - Wikipedia

I put a capful in My morning coffee. Has zero taste and gives a boost to the ketone burning machine.

I never said it did did I?

Keto has its place but in reality so does every other diet.

I'm more of the school that we evolved to eat what the planet gives us.

So anything that grows and is eaten in its unprocessed state is fair game.

 

[Blues Man]

Keto has become all about pissing on a stick and getting a dark purple reading

Nonsense. That only works for the beginning stages of ketosis; when in response to the change the body produces excess ketones. After prolonged ketosis the body settles into producing only what is needed. As such a person who has been in ketosis for weeks won’t be producing excess ketones; whereby they won’t be excreting high enough ketone concentration to get a response from piss strips.
No offense but... You seem to have some pretty strong opinions about this matter; which you obviously know little about...

Yeah then why are extraneous ketones being sold as keto supplments?

And I know plenty about ketogenic diets and have used them in the past but like I said anyone who says eating an apple or an orange is ill advised because it will knock you out of ketosis is someone I don't listen to.

A healthy well balanced diet will have you sliding in and out of ketosis without you even noticcing

Some people have a bad insulin response to apples and oranges. You should know what's good for you, and stop bullshitting past that.

Some people

not most people

People who are insulin resistant usually get that way after years of poor diet habits

Have you looked at America lately?

Some people? Only if you count 'some' as like 70%.

America became fat. When did they become fat? When the government told them that fats were bad for them and that they should switch to a whole grain diet that is alleged, 'balanced'.

Government dietary guidelines are a joke. So is the myth of 'a balanced diet'.

So you're saying that 70% of people have adverse insulin reactions to eating an apple?

Are you listening to yourself?

 

[G.T.]

Yes. I've started a keto diet. Basically, keto is all about the macros.

5% carbs, protein 15 - 20%, the rest in fats.

It is amazing the number of lies being told to the world with regard to fats.

Anyway, your body stores about a total of 4 days worth of glycogen(carbs). Once those stores are used up, your liver turns on the cells that burn ketotones (fat) instead of glucose.

Since the body normally stores about 700k calories in fat, as you can imagine, you have a lot of energy to sustain you when you give up the sugars.

The side effect is weight loss, but the most important part of the diet is what it does to blood insulin levels. For people who are insulin sensitive, it brings the insulin in the blood down over time to the normal range and that is a huge health benefit.

The diet also provides more clarity of thought, longer and more sustained energy during the day, better emotional stability, and vivid dreams.

It does have a downside.


No beer.













So I gave it up!!!!









I'm kidding of course. Once you get past the keto flu, you'll feel amazing. Oh, and if you stay away from the commercial products, it isn't all that much more expensive because you actually end up eating less frequently.

Keto has become all about pissing on a stick and getting a dark purple reading

Nonsense. That only works for the beginning stages of ketosis; when in response to the change the body produces excess ketones. After prolonged ketosis the body settles into producing only what is needed. As such a person who has been in ketosis for weeks won’t be producing excess ketones; whereby they won’t be excreting high enough ketone concentration to get a response from piss strips.
No offense but... You seem to have some pretty strong opinions about this matter; which you obviously know little about...

Yeah then why are extraneous ketones being sold as keto supplments?

And I know plenty about ketogenic diets and have used them in the past but like I said anyone who says eating an apple or an orange is ill advised because it will knock you out of ketosis is someone I don't listen to.

A healthy well balanced diet will have you sliding in and out of ketosis without you even noticcing

Which proves the point made earlier. Some people just follow fads and do stupid shit. That does NOT invalidate the entire science behind the diet.

Besides, a better source of energy is medium chain triglycerides, or MCT.

Medium-chain triglyceride - Wikipedia

I put a capful in My morning coffee. Has zero taste and gives a boost to the ketone burning machine.

I never said it did did I?

Keto has its place but in reality so does every other diet.

I'm more of the school that we evolved to eat what the planet gives us.

So anything that grows and is eaten in its unprocessed state is fair game.

The food pyramid is retarded. White potatoes are grown, the orange ones are far superior in your diet. There's no one size fits all, "hey balance stuff gazz!"

 

[Darkwind]

Yes. I've started a keto diet. Basically, keto is all about the macros.

5% carbs, protein 15 - 20%, the rest in fats.

It is amazing the number of lies being told to the world with regard to fats.

Anyway, your body stores about a total of 4 days worth of glycogen(carbs). Once those stores are used up, your liver turns on the cells that burn ketotones (fat) instead of glucose.

Since the body normally stores about 700k calories in fat, as you can imagine, you have a lot of energy to sustain you when you give up the sugars.

The side effect is weight loss, but the most important part of the diet is what it does to blood insulin levels. For people who are insulin sensitive, it brings the insulin in the blood down over time to the normal range and that is a huge health benefit.

The diet also provides more clarity of thought, longer and more sustained energy during the day, better emotional stability, and vivid dreams.

It does have a downside.


No beer.













So I gave it up!!!!









I'm kidding of course. Once you get past the keto flu, you'll feel amazing. Oh, and if you stay away from the commercial products, it isn't all that much more expensive because you actually end up eating less frequently.

Keto has become all about pissing on a stick and getting a dark purple reading

Nonsense. That only works for the beginning stages of ketosis; when in response to the change the body produces excess ketones. After prolonged ketosis the body settles into producing only what is needed. As such a person who has been in ketosis for weeks won’t be producing excess ketones; whereby they won’t be excreting high enough ketone concentration to get a response from piss strips.
No offense but... You seem to have some pretty strong opinions about this matter; which you obviously know little about...

Yeah then why are extraneous ketones being sold as keto supplments?

And I know plenty about ketogenic diets and have used them in the past but like I said anyone who says eating an apple or an orange is ill advised because it will knock you out of ketosis is someone I don't listen to.

A healthy well balanced diet will have you sliding in and out of ketosis without you even noticcing

Which proves the point made earlier. Some people just follow fads and do stupid shit. That does NOT invalidate the entire science behind the diet.

Besides, a better source of energy is medium chain triglycerides, or MCT.

Medium-chain triglyceride - Wikipedia

I put a capful in My morning coffee. Has zero taste and gives a boost to the ketone burning machine.

I never said it did did I?

Keto has its place but in reality so does every other diet.

I'm more of the school that we evolved to eat what the planet gives us.

So anything that grows and is eaten in its unprocessed state is fair game.

Fair enough. Our Ancestors actually had a huge range of diets, but not out of choice. They ate what was abundant at the time and easily shifted to other food sources when they became abundant. The real problem, if one can even call it a problem, started with agriculture. When we leraned to harness crops, we began to move into a diet that was based upon cerel grains instead of raw veggitables.

I can't remember where I read it, but there is a lot of thought on why allergies are becoming much more prevalent and it has to do with moving away from whole foods into processed foods. Processed foods are those that have sugars added to them.

Sugar seems to be the single greatest poison in the world today.

 

[G.T.]

Keto has become all about pissing on a stick and getting a dark purple reading

Nonsense. That only works for the beginning stages of ketosis; when in response to the change the body produces excess ketones. After prolonged ketosis the body settles into producing only what is needed. As such a person who has been in ketosis for weeks won’t be producing excess ketones; whereby they won’t be excreting high enough ketone concentration to get a response from piss strips.
No offense but... You seem to have some pretty strong opinions about this matter; which you obviously know little about...

Yeah then why are extraneous ketones being sold as keto supplments?

And I know plenty about ketogenic diets and have used them in the past but like I said anyone who says eating an apple or an orange is ill advised because it will knock you out of ketosis is someone I don't listen to.

A healthy well balanced diet will have you sliding in and out of ketosis without you even noticcing

Which proves the point made earlier. Some people just follow fads and do stupid shit. That does NOT invalidate the entire science behind the diet.

Besides, a better source of energy is medium chain triglycerides, or MCT.

Medium-chain triglyceride - Wikipedia

I put a capful in My morning coffee. Has zero taste and gives a boost to the ketone burning machine.

I never said it did did I?

Keto has its place but in reality so does every other diet.

I'm more of the school that we evolved to eat what the planet gives us.

So anything that grows and is eaten in its unprocessed state is fair game.

Fair enough. Our Ancestors actually had a huge range of diets, but not out of choice. They ate what was abundant at the time and easily shifted to other food sources when they became abundant. The real problem, if one can even call it a problem, started with agriculture. When we leraned to harness crops, we began to move into a diet that was based upon cerel grains instead of raw veggitables.

I can't remember where I read it, but there is a lot of thought on why allergies are becoming much more prevalent and it has to do with moving away from whole foods into processed foods. Processed foods are those that have sugars added to them.

Sugar seems to be the single greatest poison in the world today.

That's why I mainly avoid fruits. I get the nutrients from other places and am not deficient in anything, so they'd only hurt in adding the sugars.

 

[Darkwind]

Nonsense. That only works for the beginning stages of ketosis; when in response to the change the body produces excess ketones. After prolonged ketosis the body settles into producing only what is needed. As such a person who has been in ketosis for weeks won’t be producing excess ketones; whereby they won’t be excreting high enough ketone concentration to get a response from piss strips.
No offense but... You seem to have some pretty strong opinions about this matter; which you obviously know little about...

Yeah then why are extraneous ketones being sold as keto supplments?

And I know plenty about ketogenic diets and have used them in the past but like I said anyone who says eating an apple or an orange is ill advised because it will knock you out of ketosis is someone I don't listen to.

A healthy well balanced diet will have you sliding in and out of ketosis without you even noticcing

Some people have a bad insulin response to apples and oranges. You should know what's good for you, and stop bullshitting past that.

Some people

not most people

People who are insulin resistant usually get that way after years of poor diet habits

Have you looked at America lately?

Some people? Only if you count 'some' as like 70%.

America became fat. When did they become fat? When the government told them that fats were bad for them and that they should switch to a whole grain diet that is alleged, 'balanced'.

Government dietary guidelines are a joke. So is the myth of 'a balanced diet'.

So you're saying that 70% of people have adverse insulin reactions to eating an apple?

Are you listening to yourself?

I'm saying that 70% of the people are obese and that obesity is a direct result of their insulin issue from overeating processed foods that are grain driven.

So, if you're 20 to 50 pounds overweight and your insulin is right at the roof, then eating an apple, an orange, or any fructose based food source is going to cause an insulin reaction. The science proves it out. Fructose IS sugar.

Now, if people managed to get their insulin under control, they may be able to incorporate some fruit into their diet.

Also, not everyone is glucose sensitive, but more are than aren't anymore.

Look, no one has to follow any diet they don't wish to. The Keto diet is, however, far superior to any other out there when it comes to controlling blood sugar issues.

 

[Darkwind]

Nonsense. That only works for the beginning stages of ketosis; when in response to the change the body produces excess ketones. After prolonged ketosis the body settles into producing only what is needed. As such a person who has been in ketosis for weeks won’t be producing excess ketones; whereby they won’t be excreting high enough ketone concentration to get a response from piss strips.
No offense but... You seem to have some pretty strong opinions about this matter; which you obviously know little about...

Yeah then why are extraneous ketones being sold as keto supplments?

And I know plenty about ketogenic diets and have used them in the past but like I said anyone who says eating an apple or an orange is ill advised because it will knock you out of ketosis is someone I don't listen to.

A healthy well balanced diet will have you sliding in and out of ketosis without you even noticcing

Which proves the point made earlier. Some people just follow fads and do stupid shit. That does NOT invalidate the entire science behind the diet.

Besides, a better source of energy is medium chain triglycerides, or MCT.

Medium-chain triglyceride - Wikipedia

I put a capful in My morning coffee. Has zero taste and gives a boost to the ketone burning machine.

I never said it did did I?

Keto has its place but in reality so does every other diet.

I'm more of the school that we evolved to eat what the planet gives us.

So anything that grows and is eaten in its unprocessed state is fair game.

Fair enough. Our Ancestors actually had a huge range of diets, but not out of choice. They ate what was abundant at the time and easily shifted to other food sources when they became abundant. The real problem, if one can even call it a problem, started with agriculture. When we leraned to harness crops, we began to move into a diet that was based upon cerel grains instead of raw veggitables.

I can't remember where I read it, but there is a lot of thought on why allergies are becoming much more prevalent and it has to do with moving away from whole foods into processed foods. Processed foods are those that have sugars added to them.

Sugar seems to be the single greatest poison in the world today.

That's why I mainly avoid fruits. I get the nutrients from other places and am not deficient in anything, so they'd only hurt in adding the sugars.

A meme conveniently reminded Me that an apple a day keeps the doctor away, but any fruit, if you throw it hard enough will do the same.

 

[Blues Man]

Keto has become all about pissing on a stick and getting a dark purple reading

Nonsense. That only works for the beginning stages of ketosis; when in response to the change the body produces excess ketones. After prolonged ketosis the body settles into producing only what is needed. As such a person who has been in ketosis for weeks won’t be producing excess ketones; whereby they won’t be excreting high enough ketone concentration to get a response from piss strips.
No offense but... You seem to have some pretty strong opinions about this matter; which you obviously know little about...

Yeah then why are extraneous ketones being sold as keto supplments?

And I know plenty about ketogenic diets and have used them in the past but like I said anyone who says eating an apple or an orange is ill advised because it will knock you out of ketosis is someone I don't listen to.

A healthy well balanced diet will have you sliding in and out of ketosis without you even noticcing

Which proves the point made earlier. Some people just follow fads and do stupid shit. That does NOT invalidate the entire science behind the diet.

Besides, a better source of energy is medium chain triglycerides, or MCT.

Medium-chain triglyceride - Wikipedia

I put a capful in My morning coffee. Has zero taste and gives a boost to the ketone burning machine.

I never said it did did I?

Keto has its place but in reality so does every other diet.

I'm more of the school that we evolved to eat what the planet gives us.

So anything that grows and is eaten in its unprocessed state is fair game.

The food pyramid is retarded. White potatoes are grown, the orange ones are far superior in your diet. There's no one size fits all, "hey balance stuff gazz!"

I never said anything about the food pyramid.

I don't consume any dairy, or refined grains or processed sugars and I don't eat cultivated potatoes or other starchy cultivated veg,

And what the keto freaks forget is that there is no one size fits all what does work is a balanced diet where moderation is practiced

 

[G.T.]

Nonsense. That only works for the beginning stages of ketosis; when in response to the change the body produces excess ketones. After prolonged ketosis the body settles into producing only what is needed. As such a person who has been in ketosis for weeks won’t be producing excess ketones; whereby they won’t be excreting high enough ketone concentration to get a response from piss strips.
No offense but... You seem to have some pretty strong opinions about this matter; which you obviously know little about...

Yeah then why are extraneous ketones being sold as keto supplments?

And I know plenty about ketogenic diets and have used them in the past but like I said anyone who says eating an apple or an orange is ill advised because it will knock you out of ketosis is someone I don't listen to.

A healthy well balanced diet will have you sliding in and out of ketosis without you even noticcing

Which proves the point made earlier. Some people just follow fads and do stupid shit. That does NOT invalidate the entire science behind the diet.

Besides, a better source of energy is medium chain triglycerides, or MCT.

Medium-chain triglyceride - Wikipedia

I put a capful in My morning coffee. Has zero taste and gives a boost to the ketone burning machine.

I never said it did did I?

Keto has its place but in reality so does every other diet.

I'm more of the school that we evolved to eat what the planet gives us.

So anything that grows and is eaten in its unprocessed state is fair game.

The food pyramid is retarded. White potatoes are grown, the orange ones are far superior in your diet. There's no one size fits all, "hey balance stuff gazz!"

I never said anything about the food pyramid.

I don't consume any dairy, or refined grains or processed sugars and I don't eat cultivated potatoes or other starchy cultivated veg,

And what the keto freaks forget is that there is no one size fits all what does work is a balanced diet where moderation is practiced

There's no freaks, and a "balanced" diet is subjective - it's per the person and their genetics.

 

[Blues Man]

Yeah then why are extraneous ketones being sold as keto supplments?

And I know plenty about ketogenic diets and have used them in the past but like I said anyone who says eating an apple or an orange is ill advised because it will knock you out of ketosis is someone I don't listen to.

A healthy well balanced diet will have you sliding in and out of ketosis without you even noticcing

Which proves the point made earlier. Some people just follow fads and do stupid shit. That does NOT invalidate the entire science behind the diet.

Besides, a better source of energy is medium chain triglycerides, or MCT.

Medium-chain triglyceride - Wikipedia

I put a capful in My morning coffee. Has zero taste and gives a boost to the ketone burning machine.

I never said it did did I?

Keto has its place but in reality so does every other diet.

I'm more of the school that we evolved to eat what the planet gives us.

So anything that grows and is eaten in its unprocessed state is fair game.

The food pyramid is retarded. White potatoes are grown, the orange ones are far superior in your diet. There's no one size fits all, "hey balance stuff gazz!"

I never said anything about the food pyramid.

I don't consume any dairy, or refined grains or processed sugars and I don't eat cultivated potatoes or other starchy cultivated veg,

And what the keto freaks forget is that there is no one size fits all what does work is a balanced diet where moderation is practiced

There's no freaks, and a "balanced" diet is subjective - it's per the person and their genetics.

Genetics don't vary as much as people like to think.

very few people need specialized diets all they need to do is get off all the processed shit they eat now