Goldwater for Abortion, Against Religion in Politics

[Tom Paine 1949]

Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater, America’s leading Conservative voice for decades — an advocate of “extremism in defense of liberty” — had a deep sense of personal integrity and a genuine libertarian view on abortion.

It’s a shame that Barry Goldwater, is not around today to slap some sense into these Trump-clone Republicans who have declared an (un)holy war on a woman’s right to decide what’s best for her when pregnant.

Goldwater was an American politician, statesman, businessman, United States Air Force officer, and author who was a five-term Senator from Arizona (1953–1965, 1969–1987) and the Republican Party nominee for president in 1964.

Goldwater was himself pro-choice (also pro-gay and supported gays in the military), and his wife, Peggy, had helped to found an Arizona chapter of Planned Parenthood.

Goldwater was a classic conservative, a man of impeccable integrity, and an independent thinker. Were he alive today he’d probably kick Donald Trumps’s ass from his penthouse suite on top of Trump Towers, all the way down to the lobby and then out into the street’s gutter.

Here’s a few of the things Goldwater said over the years about about abortion.

• “A woman has a right to an abortion. That’s a decision that’s up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right.”

• “Abortion is not something the Republican Party should call for the abolition of, by legal means or by any other means.”

• “There is no way in the world that abortion is going to be abolished. It has been going on ever since man and woman lived together on this earth.”

• “Men (who are anti-abortion) should keep their asses out of doctor’s offices. That’s something between the pregnant woman and her doctor.”

As I said, Goldwater was a man of integrity and principle, and we have damn few around nowadays in these craven political times when we could benefit from someone like him the most.

The Observer: The ghost of Barry Goldwater on abortion: ‘A decision that’s up to the pregnant woman’

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The Chicoms are now promoting Goldwater, are they?


Goodness, and with Liz Cheney hardly even dead yet!

 

[Votto]

Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater, America’s leading Conservative voice for decades — an advocate of “extremism in defense of liberty” — had a deep sense of personal integrity and a genuine libertarian view on abortion.

It’s a shame that Barry Goldwater, is not around today to slap some sense into these Trump-clone Republicans who have declared an (un)holy war on a woman’s right to decide what’s best for her when pregnant.

Goldwater was an American politician, statesman, businessman, United States Air Force officer, and author who was a five-term Senator from Arizona (1953–1965, 1969–1987) and the Republican Party nominee for president in 1964.

Goldwater was himself pro-choice (also pro-gay and supported gays in the military), and his wife, Peggy, had helped to found an Arizona chapter of Planned Parenthood.

Goldwater was a classic conservative, a man of impeccable integrity, and an independent thinker. Were he alive today he’d probably kick Donald Trumps’s ass from his penthouse suite on top of Trump Towers, all the way down to the lobby and then out into the street’s gutter.

Here’s a few of the things Goldwater said over the years about about abortion.

• “A woman has a right to an abortion. That’s a decision that’s up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right.”

• “Abortion is not something the Republican Party should call for the abolition of, by legal means or by any other means.”

• “There is no way in the world that abortion is going to be abolished. It has been going on ever since man and woman lived together on this earth.”

• “Men (who are anti-abortion) should keep their asses out of doctor’s offices. That’s something between the pregnant woman and her doctor.”

As I said, Goldwater was a man of integrity and principle, and we have damn few around nowadays in these craven political times when we could benefit from someone like him the most.

The Observer: The ghost of Barry Goldwater on abortion: ‘A decision that’s up to the pregnant woman’

What is a shame is that the GOP has been a lifeless idiotic party of indifference to pretty much everything, a speed bump to the insanity we have today.

 

[Votto]

The Chicoms are now promoting Goldwater, are they?


Goodness, and with Liz Cheney hardly even dead yet!

They are getting desperate.

 

[Oddball]

Never mind that he was against nearly everything else that the cultural Marxist left stands for and is after today....He was pro abortion, so that makes him a "man of impeccable integrity".

It's now clear that abortion is a quasi-religious sacrament to the left.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

It's now clear that abortion is a quasi-religious sacrament to the left.

Especially if their job involves agitprop wedge politics.

 

[DGS49]

Barry Goldwater's mind turned to mush as he got into his dotage. Also both political parties have evolved fairly significantly over the years. Remember JFK, who was in favor of low taxes and strong defense? He would have to buy a ticket to the DNC these days, and would probably still be tossed out on his ear.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Barry Goldwater's mind turned to mush as he got into his dotage. Also both political parties have evolved fairly significantly over the years…

Barry Goldwater did not change his position on abortion, which he maintained over many decades, and he never “softened” on it.

It is of course true that the both parties, particularly the Republican Party — and indeed U.S. society itself — changed greatly over time.

Goldwater’s success in winning the entire Dixiecrat “Deep South” in his losing 1964 campaign for President showed that Democratic support there was fragile. Other Republicans (after LBJ supported the 1965 Voting Rights Law) developed a “Southern Strategy” that successfully won the votes of increasing numbers of Southern whites and religious fundamentalists.

Seeing the increasingly religious and socially reactionary direction of the Republican Party, Goldwater did become more outspoken on his long-held views concerning women’s and gay rights. His strong anti-communist and pro-military policies of course also never changed.

In a 1994 interview with The Washington Post, Goldwater said:

“When you say ‘radical right’ today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.”

He repeated his warnings about the increasing influence of fundamentalist religious groups on politics:

“Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”

In 1996, he told Bob Dole, whose own presidential campaign received lukewarm support from conservative Republicans, "We're the new liberals of the Republican party. Can you imagine that?"

P.S.

Goldwater’s mind remained sharp until his stroke in late 1996. His public appearances ended after the stroke, when family members disclosed he was in the early stages of Alzheimer's disease. He died on May 29, 1998, at the age of 89 at his long-time Arizona home of complications from that stroke.

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

Someone can be correct on most things and vehemently wrong on an area where it really counts.

Case in point.

And don’t pretend being pro-murder is “libertarian.”

 

[whitehall]

Lefties and their minions in the media looked the other way when the dirty tricks democrats bugged Goldwater's plane and we ended up with LBJ who managed to kill about 50,000 Americans in a war we couldn't win. The question is when lefties are going to deal with today's reality and stop pretending they lost the election so they can play the victim. What's wrong with states being able to determine the standards of abortion? Why are LBJ lefties so afraid of democracy?

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Barry Goldwater and his wife were not “wrong” in supporting planned parenthood, including abortion when necessary.

Governments forcing women to carry unwanted and unintended pregnancies to term, is by its very nature anti-libertarian. It is extreme interference and control by the state over a woman’s life and body.

To this day, we still see abortion banned in most traditionally Catholic South and Central American countries — this is part of what holds back those societies, where women cannot contribute fully, have few reproductive rights, and where poverty and population pressure leads to out-migration.

Governments, and religion too, have no business forcing young women to carry an accidentally fertilized egg — whether zygote or embryo or fetus — to birth, and then require them (and the fathers and husbands who support them) to raise their unwanted children.

Of course such pregnancies are often the product of rape or more subtle forms of coercion. Unloved and unwanted children often themselves end up abused. Abused, unloved and unwanted children often end up as criminals.

 

[whitehall]

We get a lecture from the baby killers about what a great and moral guy Goldwater was while they did everything they could to defeat him. Frankly I doubt if Goldwater would have embraced abortion as a moral virtue.

 

[Votto]

Barry Goldwater did not change his position on abortion, which he maintained over many decades, and he never “softened” on it.

It is of course true that the both parties, particularly the Republican Party — and indeed U.S. society itself — changed greatly over time.

Goldwater’s success in winning the entire Dixiecrat “Deep South” in his losing 1964 campaign for President showed that Democratic support there was fragile. Other Republicans (after LBJ supported the 1965 Voting Rights Law) developed a “Southern Strategy” that successfully won the votes of increasing numbers of Southern whites and religious fundamentalists.

Seeing the increasingly religious and socially reactionary direction of the Republican Party, Goldwater did become more outspoken on his long-held views concerning women’s and gay rights. His strong anti-communist and pro-military policies of course also never changed.

In a 1994 interview with The Washington Post, Goldwater said:

“When you say ‘radical right’ today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.”

He repeated his warnings about the increasing influence of fundamentalist religious groups on politics:

“Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”

In 1996, he told Bob Dole, whose own presidential campaign received lukewarm support from conservative Republicans, "We're the new liberals of the Republican party. Can you imagine that?"

P.S.

Goldwater’s mind remained sharp until his stroke in late 1996. His public appearances ended after the stroke, when family members disclosed he was in the early stages of Alzheimer's disease. He died on May 29, 1998, at the age of 89 at his long-time Arizona home of complications from that stroke.

So you now love a man who thought Blacks should not have their Civil Rights

Understood.


After all, there have been more black abortions than births in New York City, something Barry would have loved.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater, America’s leading Conservative voice for decades — an advocate of “extremism in defense of liberty” — had a deep sense of personal integrity and a genuine libertarian view on abortion.

It’s a shame that Barry Goldwater, is not around today to slap some sense into these Trump-clone Republicans who have declared an (un)holy war on a woman’s right to decide what’s best for her when pregnant.

Goldwater was an American politician, statesman, businessman, United States Air Force officer, and author who was a five-term Senator from Arizona (1953–1965, 1969–1987) and the Republican Party nominee for president in 1964.

Goldwater was himself pro-choice (also pro-gay and supported gays in the military), and his wife, Peggy, had helped to found an Arizona chapter of Planned Parenthood.

Goldwater was a classic conservative, a man of impeccable integrity, and an independent thinker. Were he alive today he’d probably kick Donald Trumps’s ass from his penthouse suite on top of Trump Towers, all the way down to the lobby and then out into the street’s gutter.

Here’s a few of the things Goldwater said over the years about about abortion.

• “A woman has a right to an abortion. That’s a decision that’s up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right.”

• “Abortion is not something the Republican Party should call for the abolition of, by legal means or by any other means.”

• “There is no way in the world that abortion is going to be abolished. It has been going on ever since man and woman lived together on this earth.”

• “Men (who are anti-abortion) should keep their asses out of doctor’s offices. That’s something between the pregnant woman and her doctor.”

As I said, Goldwater was a man of integrity and principle, and we have damn few around nowadays in these craven political times when we could benefit from someone like him the most.

The Observer: The ghost of Barry Goldwater on abortion: ‘A decision that’s up to the pregnant woman’

For at least the last 50 years conservativism has been illiberal, anti-democratic, and authoritarian, hostile to citizens' rights and protected liberties, such as violating the privacy rights of women.

 

[whitehall]

It's not hard to go back in history to find a republican with moral values. What's hard is finding a democrat with any moral values.

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

Barry Goldwater and his wife were not “wrong” in supporting planned parenthood, including abortion when necessary

Sure they were, as is everyone else who would support that abominable organization.

Supporting the Klan or ISIS would be more understandable and less harmful. You would always be wrong to be vile and monstrous, and in this, he was.

Governments forcing women to carry unwanted and unintended pregnancies to term, is by its very nature anti-libertarian.

Yeah, no. Governments having laws against killing your own kids isn’t anti-libertarian anymore than any other law against killing anyone else. Your argument is incoherent.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

We get a lecture from the baby killers about what a great and moral guy Goldwater was while they did everything they could to defeat him. Frankly I doubt if Goldwater would have embraced abortion as a moral virtue.

The extremist language of your comment, like that of CarsomyrPlusSix , would have turned Goldwater’s stomach. He hated precisely the cynical political use of language common among fake “Moral Majority” politicians, used to demonize opponents. He understood that “rights” could be in conflict. He knew well that abortion should be a personal decision because otherwise naive religious people, or those who see moral issues as always black and white, might end up following utter opportunists, and end up phrasing this emotional and difficult issue as you folks do — as “killing kids” or “killing babies.”

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

The extremist language of your comment, like that of CarsomyrPlusSix , would have turned Goldwater’s stomach. He hated precisely the cynical political use of language common among fake “Moral Majority” politicians, used to demonize opponents. He understood that “rights” could be in conflict. He knew well that abortion should be a personal decision because otherwise naive religious people, or those who see moral issues as always black and white, might end up following utter opportunists, and end up phrasing this emotional and difficult issue as you folks do — as “killing kids” or “killing babies.”

The good news when talking about abortionists and Planned Parenthood is that you can’t “demonize” literal demons.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

So you now love a man who thought Blacks should not have their Civil Rights. Understood. After all, there have been more black abortions than births in New York City, something Barry would have loved.

More cheap slander and historical ignorance about Goldwater.

 

[GMCGeneral]

More cheap slander and historical ignorance about Goldwater.

Goldwater was NOT a conservative, not by a long shot.