God does exist. Itelligent design in the Universe is prof of God.

[Rye Catcher]

God created different races as a means of being diverse. and placed them in different regions of the Earth. The races are not to mix their seeds with each other either.

Got it, you've been brainwashed.

 

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What people like Penrose are doing is trying to design a method to test the cyclical model. One way is to test predictions it makes for the CMB. Penrose claims it passes those tests, but that this is not definitive. So their work lies ahead of them.

How would this model produce CMB?

 

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For all practical intents and purposes, until proven otherwise, cyclical universe models are dead.

False. See: Roger Penrose

Atheists, especially militant atheists like yourself, are violently opposed to the universe beginning, despite the overwhelming evidence that it did. The problem is none of you has a model that explains how matter and energy can exist for eternity without leaving a universe filled with radiation or being thermally equilibrated. Not to mention why the CMB would exist or how an infinite acting universe does not violate the SLoT or explaining the mechanism for expansion.

So saying "See Roger Penrose" and expecting that to magically mean something is as stupid as believing in an invisible magician.

The cyclic model is not dead, as defined by scientists still working on it and supporting it. I.E., Roger Penrose, et. al. What you said is just provably false.

And then there is also this:

Physicists Debate Hawking’s Idea That the Universe Had No Beginning | Quanta Magazine

A recent challenge to Stephen Hawking’s biggest idea — about how the universe might have come from nothing — has cosmologists choosing sides.

www.quantamagazine.org

It's math games, dummy.

See?

 

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What people like Penrose are doing is trying to design a method to test the cyclical model. One way is to test predictions it makes for the CMB. Penrose claims it passes those tests, but that this is not definitive. So their work lies ahead of them.

No. What they are trying to do is not accept the obvious. That the universe began ~14 billion years ago.

 

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An eternal entity is the only theory that I have heard on the matter. This is in no way shape or form saying that this eternal entity is a personage. The eternal entity could be a pile of mashed potatoes or something like that. Nobody has ever identified what that first cause was.

There's no way of knowing whether first causes recycle or not. Our Universe may just swallow itself and restart every 50 billion years or so. Regardless, the Aether remains. The ultimate pile of mashed potatoes, only far more intriguing and delicious!

CMB says otherwise. So does the SLoT. And I have not even started getting into what made the universe expand in the first place and what would make it expand after a big crunch.

But here's a detailed explanation on why no one (except atheists and fools) believes in a cyclical universe anymore.

At one time, leading scientists of the day thought the earth was flat. Until we can see the BB, we won't know how it started, is it cyclical..., and even then...

There are only two options; the universe began or it existed forever. The latter has been discredited. Time for you to move on from living on a flat earth.

Both options are still open until we know for sure. What you're doing is akin to premature ejaculation.

That's not how science works. Science never knows for sure. Science always allows for the possibility of reversing itself.

For all practical intents and purposes, until proven otherwise, cyclical universe models are dead. So you can pretend all you want that science does not believe the universe began, but you are just lying to yourself.

This incarnation of the universe started with the BB. What happened before that is anybody's guess. Plus, you're confusing theory with fact.

The fact that the universe began drives you guys crazy because you understand the implications.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

How does would this model produce CMB?

CMB is still produced im the same manner, but blacl holes that existed before the big bang could leave scars in it.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What they are trying to do is not accept the obvious.

Because it is not obvious. And scientists dont just accept something they don't know is true. That's what religious people do.

 

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How does would this model produce CMB?

CMB is still produced im the same manner, but blacl holes that existed before the big bang could leave scars in it.

What manner was that? How was the CMB produced exactly?

Because I know how it was produced and I don't see how it could be produced in the same manner. So please tell me how it was produced in the same manner.

You do realize that you just said black holes existed before the big bang, right? There are two problems with that. How can black holes exist before the big bang and if the universe had no beginning, how was there a big bang at all?

 

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What they are trying to do is not accept the obvious.

Because it is not obvious. And scientists dont just accept something they don't know is true. That's what religious people do.

You need to tell CERN it's not obvious cause it's on the website as to how the universe began.

And for anyone to say the big bang is not obvious, they had to either be living under a rock or are militant atheists violently opposed to the universe having a beginning.

 

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We can see the vast number of life forms here on the planet Earth. The oceans, on land, the different varieties of plants. All this life did not just happen by accident , as many non beleiving scientist say. God does exist. This is a planet with air , water, and food for us all to consume. It was not made by accident. This world was created for us by an intelligent God. We did not evolve from apes . We were all created by God. Designed in his likeness. Your thoughts.

You've the right to believe that a God exists. However, there is no proof, no probative evidence to convince others.

So it's just a coincidence that the universe popped into existence being hardwired to produce intelligence?

 

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An eternal entity is the only theory that I have heard on the matter. This is in no way shape or form saying that this eternal entity is a personage. The eternal entity could be a pile of mashed potatoes or something like that. Nobody has ever identified what that first cause was.

There's no way of knowing whether first causes recycle or not. Our Universe may just swallow itself and restart every 50 billion years or so. Regardless, the Aether remains. The ultimate pile of mashed potatoes, only far more intriguing and delicious!

CMB says otherwise. So does the SLoT. And I have not even started getting into what made the universe expand in the first place and what would make it expand after a big crunch.

But here's a detailed explanation on why no one (except atheists and fools) believes in a cyclical universe anymore.

At one time, leading scientists of the day thought the earth was flat. Until we can see the BB, we won't know how it started, is it cyclical..., and even then...

There are only two options; the universe began or it existed forever. The latter has been discredited. Time for you to move on from living on a flat earth.

Both options are still open until we know for sure. What you're doing is akin to premature ejaculation.

That's not how science works. Science never knows for sure. Science always allows for the possibility of reversing itself.

For all practical intents and purposes, until proven otherwise, cyclical universe models are dead. So you can pretend all you want that science does not believe the universe began, but you are just lying to yourself.

This incarnation of the universe started with the BB. What happened before that is anybody's guess. Plus, you're confusing theory with fact.

This incarnation?

 

[Blues Man]

We can see the vast number of life forms here on the planet Earth. The oceans, on land, the different varieties of plants. All this life did not just happen by accident , as many non beleiving scientist say. God does exist. This is a planet with air , water, and food for us all to consume. It was not made by accident. This world was created for us by an intelligent God. We did not evolve from apes . We were all created by God. Designed in his likeness. Your thoughts.

You've the right to believe that a God exists. However, there is no proof, no probative evidence to convince others.

So it's just a coincidence that the universe popped into existence being hardwired to produce intelligence?

It's not.

the universe is just a vast space where trillions upon trillions to the trillionth power random events occur.

We are but one of those random occurrences resulting from an unimaginably long chain of occurrences.

 

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We can see the vast number of life forms here on the planet Earth. The oceans, on land, the different varieties of plants. All this life did not just happen by accident , as many non beleiving scientist say. God does exist. This is a planet with air , water, and food for us all to consume. It was not made by accident. This world was created for us by an intelligent God. We did not evolve from apes . We were all created by God. Designed in his likeness. Your thoughts.

You've the right to believe that a God exists. However, there is no proof, no probative evidence to convince others.

So it's just a coincidence that the universe popped into existence being hardwired to produce intelligence?

It's not.

the universe is just a vast space where trillions upon trillions to the trillionth power random events occur.

We are but one of those random occurrences resulting from an unimaginably long chain of occurrences.

Cause and effect says otherwise.

 

[Rye Catcher]

We can see the vast number of life forms here on the planet Earth. The oceans, on land, the different varieties of plants. All this life did not just happen by accident , as many non beleiving scientist say. God does exist. This is a planet with air , water, and food for us all to consume. It was not made by accident. This world was created for us by an intelligent God. We did not evolve from apes . We were all created by God. Designed in his likeness. Your thoughts.

You've the right to believe that a God exists. However, there is no proof, no probative evidence to convince others.

So it's just a coincidence that the universe popped into existence being hardwired to produce intelligence?

You have a right to call it a coincidence, others believe in the big bang. Time and Space are mind boggling; it's also possible the entire universe will one day stop expanding and collapse in a crash of all the stars, planets, asteroids, comets and rubble in a mammoth black hole, creating a gigantic explosion; thus another big bang which may have had the opposite of an infinitesimal quantity, i.e. a value larger than the maximum possible measurement.

 

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We can see the vast number of life forms here on the planet Earth. The oceans, on land, the different varieties of plants. All this life did not just happen by accident , as many non beleiving scientist say. God does exist. This is a planet with air , water, and food for us all to consume. It was not made by accident. This world was created for us by an intelligent God. We did not evolve from apes . We were all created by God. Designed in his likeness. Your thoughts.

You've the right to believe that a God exists. However, there is no proof, no probative evidence to convince others.

So it's just a coincidence that the universe popped into existence being hardwired to produce intelligence?

You have a right to call it a coincidence, others believe in the big bang. Time and Space are mind boggling; it's also possible the entire universe will one day stop expanding and collapse in a crash of all the stars, planets, asteroids, comets and rubble in a mammoth black hole, creating a gigantic explosion; thus another big bang which may have had the opposite of an infinitesimal quantity, i.e. a value larger than the maximum possible measurement.

That's not the current view. The current view is that the universe was created from nothing ~14 billion years ago and will continue expanding.

So... do you believe it's just a coincidence that a universe hard wired to produce intelligence just popped into existence?

Cause if the structure of matter was just slightly different a workable universe could have popped into existence without there ever being a possibility for life or intelligence to arise. Is that just a coincidence?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Because I know how it was produced and I don't see how it could be produced in the same manner.

Then it sounds like you need to go read up. Google Penrose. I will see what more detail i can find.

 

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What manner was that? How was the CMB produced exactly?

Because I know how it was produced and I don't see how it could be produced in the same manner. So please tell me how it was produced in the same manner.

You do realize that you just said black holes existed before the big bang, right? There are two problems with that. How can black holes exist before the big bang and if the universe had no beginning, how was there a big bang at all?

Then it sounds like you need to go read up. Google Penrose.

You are dodging the questions, dummy, because you don't know why the CMB exists. If you knew why the CMB exists, then you would understand why the universe began.

But you don't, so you post anything from a google search that looks like the universe may not have begun. Unfortunately for you, the CMB is the fingerprint of a universe that was created from nothing. It's the smoking gun. It's the evidence that the universe began.

 

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Because I know how it was produced and I don't see how it could be produced in the same manner.

Then it sounds like you need to go read up. Google Penrose.

No. It sounds like you do. I know what produced the CMB. You don't.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You are dodging the questions, dummy, because you don't know why the CMB exists.

I do. If you recall, i had to correct several of your errors on it in the past. I dont think they are proposing any difference in how the CMB originated. They are proposing that black holes colloded in a prior eon, and the resulting gravoty waves left a signature in our CMB radiation.

And settle down, you're getting emotional.

 

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You are dodging the questions, dummy, because you don't know why the CMB exists. If you knew why the CMB exists, then you would understand why the universe began.

But you don't, so you post anything from a google search that looks like the universe may not have begun. Unfortunately for you, the CMB is the fingerprint of a universe that was created from nothing. It's the smoking gun. It's the evidence that the universe began.

I do. If you recall, i had to correct several of your errors on it in the past. I dont think they are proposing any difference in how the CMB originated. They are proposing that black holes colloded in a prior eon, and the resulting gravoty waves left a signature in our CMB radiation.

And settle down, you're getting emotional.

Cool story, bro. You have never corrected anything. And you still haven't demonstrated that you know how the CMB was produced - because you don't know - and black holes colliding would not produce that amount of radiation and there was no prior eon.