Global Warming Liars

[ReinyDays]

What was the catalyst for the climate event?

A catalyst? ... there's no need for a catalyst for an oscillating system ... a bouncy ball bounces on it's own, like a tigger ... no one knows what the initial impulse was, though the timing would indicate the splitting of Gondwana and the formation of the Atlantic Ocean thrust the Earth into and life-destroying, dinosaur obliterating Ice Age where only the worst of God's creatures could thrive ... like rodents and their primate cousins ...

You'll need to define what you mean by "climate event" ... we usually have weather events, like rain or snow or hail or wind ... when we average all the weather events together, we get climate ... any single event is blurred beyond recognition in the average we calculate, by design ...

Climatology is the study of averages, not events ...

 

[otto105]

A catalyst? ... there's no need for a catalyst for an oscillating system ... a bouncy ball bounces on it's own, like a tigger ... no one knows what the initial impulse was, though the timing would indicate the splitting of Gondwana and the formation of the Atlantic Ocean thrust the Earth into and life-destroying, dinosaur obliterating Ice Age where only the worst of God's creatures could thrive ... like rodents and their primate cousins ...

You'll need to define what you mean by "climate event" ... we usually have weather events, like rain or snow or hail or wind ... when we average all the weather events together, we get climate ... any single event is blurred beyond recognition in the average we calculate, by design ...

Climatology is the study of averages, not events ...

10,000 years ago we didn’t have humans burning carbon at the rates we do now.


So, what was the catalyst?

And how does that relate to our environmental concerns today?

 

[Crick]

At peak interglaciation ... roughly the beginning of the Holocene 10,000 years ago ... that means any effect of global warming would exist in the historical record ... no hypercanes, no hockey sticks ... those who say these will happen are lying ... it's never happen before, it won't happen in the future ...

You're speaking for Ding here. Is he okay with that? Are you confident that you are answering as he would? I became convinced that he was talking about the current interglacial. That better matched his description.

 

[ReinyDays]

10,000 years ago we didn’t have humans burning carbon at the rates we do now.


So, what was the catalyst?

And how does that relate to our environmental concerns today?

Do you know what a catalyst is? ... it's something that is returned whole to be used again immediately ... like the platinum in catalytic converters ... after the car dies, the platinum can be recovered and used again and again and again and again ...

Do you know what an oscillating system is? ... it's something that doesn't need a catalyst ...

And how does that relate to our environmental concerns today?

There's the normal ones ... fly ash, oil spills, homes exploding ... and a set of Republicans who think industry can be trusted to manage these environmental issues themselves ...

My concern is with the dependence on foreign oil supplies ... the United States is too great to have to blow Saudi princes or unappreciative Canucks ... just saying ...

 

[Crick]

Do you know what a catalyst is? ... it's something that is returned whole to be used again immediately ... like the platinum in catalytic converters ... after the car dies, the platinum can be recovered and used again and again and again and again ...

Do you know what an oscillating system is? ... it's something that doesn't need a catalyst ...

And how does that relate to our environmental concerns today?

There's the normal ones ... fly ash, oil spills, homes exploding ... and a set of Republicans who think industry can be trusted to manage these environmental issues themselves ...

My concern is with the dependence on foreign oil supplies ... the United States is too great to have to blow Saudi princes or unappreciative Canucks ... just saying ...

Systems do not oscillate spontaneously.

 

[BS Filter]

That volcano in Hawaii is acting up again and spewing thousands of tons of toxic gas and lava. Quick, tax the hell out of that volcano.

 

[ReinyDays]

Systems do not oscillate spontaneously.

Thus in post 701:

... no one knows what the initial impulse was ...

You have to lie to sound smart ... otherwise you sound like a failure ... and have to argue against things no one has said ... like you're out in some field argueing with the damn strawman out there ...

Get back to your homework or you'll never get to high school ... no one likes stupid girls ...

 

[Crick]

That systems do not oscillate spontaneously is a fact.

ReinyDay said: "no one knows what the initial impulse was"

No one knows that there was an initial impulse. The primary driver of glacial cycles on this planet are the Milankovich cycles - a complex periodic forcing function, not an impulse.

 

[ReinyDays]

That systems do not oscillate spontaneously is a fact.

ReinyDay said: "no one knows what the initial impulse was"

No one knows that there was an initial impulse. The primary driver of glacial cycles on this planet are the Milankovich cycles - a complex periodic forcing function, not an impulse.

Milankovich cycles are not complex ... and you don't know how impulse is defined in physics ... maybe put your childish ideas down for a bit and listen to the adults and learn ...

Which Milankovich cycle has the same period as these glacial cycles? ... if it's a different period, then you have no correlation ... your theory crumbles into dust ... Dr Milankovich didn't violate Kepler's Laws, so you shouldn't either ...

 

[Crick]

Milankovich cycles are not complex

As seems to occur more and more often, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

"In the 1920s, he [Milankovitch] hypothesized that variations in eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession combined to result in cyclical variations in the intra-annual and latitudinal distribution of solar radiation at the Earth's surface, and that this orbital forcing strongly influenced the Earth's climatic patterns."

Milankovitch cycles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

AND

Theory of ice ages​

Croll was the leading proponent of an astronomical-based theory of climate change, now known as the "Astronomical Theory of Climate Change".[5] Using formulae for orbital variations developed by Urbain Le Verrier (which had led to the discovery of Neptune), Croll developed a theory of the effects of variations of the Earth's orbit on climate cycles. His idea was that decreases in winter sunlight would favour snow accumulation, and for the first time coupled this to the idea of a positive ice-albedo feedback to amplify the solar variations. Croll further argued that the accumulation of snow would change the pattern of trade winds, leading to the deflection of warming currents like the Gulf Stream, and finally a self-sustaining ice age. He suggested that when orbital eccentricity is high winters will tend to be colder when the Earth is farther from the sun in that season and hence, that during periods of high orbital eccentricity, ice ages occur on 22,000-year cycles in each hemisphere, and alternate between southern and northern hemispheres, lasting approximately 10,000 years each.[6]

Croll's theory predicted multiple ice ages, asynchronous in northern and southern hemispheres, and that the last ice ages should have ended about 80,000 years ago. Evidence was just then emerging of multiple ice ages, and geologists were interested in a theory to explain this. Geologists were not then able to date sediments accurately enough to determine if glaciation was synchronous between the hemispheres, though the limited evidence more pointed towards synchronicity than not. More crucially, estimates of the recession rate of the Niagara Falls indicated that the last ice age ended 6,000 to 35,000 years ago – a large range, but enough to rule out Croll's theory, to those who accepted the measurements.

James Croll - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

... and you don't know how impulse is defined in physics ...

I'm afraid I do.

maybe put your childish ideas down for a bit and listen to the adults and learn ...

The temptation to actually characterize your behavior as it deserves is almost overwhelming.

Which Milankovich cycle has the same period as these glacial cycles? ... if it's a different period, then you have no correlation ... your theory crumbles into dust ... Dr Milankovich didn't violate Kepler's Laws, so you shouldn't either ...

Oooh... Kepler. I guess you graduated from middle school.

 

[ding]

As seems to occur more and more often, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
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"In the 1920s, he [Milankovitch] hypothesized that variations in eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession combined to result in cyclical variations in the intra-annual and latitudinal distribution of solar radiation at the Earth's surface, and that this orbital forcing strongly influenced the Earth's climatic patterns."

Milankovitch cycles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

AND

Theory of ice ages​

Croll was the leading proponent of an astronomical-based theory of climate change, now known as the "Astronomical Theory of Climate Change".[5] Using formulae for orbital variations developed by Urbain Le Verrier (which had led to the discovery of Neptune), Croll developed a theory of the effects of variations of the Earth's orbit on climate cycles. His idea was that decreases in winter sunlight would favour snow accumulation, and for the first time coupled this to the idea of a positive ice-albedo feedback to amplify the solar variations. Croll further argued that the accumulation of snow would change the pattern of trade winds, leading to the deflection of warming currents like the Gulf Stream, and finally a self-sustaining ice age. He suggested that when orbital eccentricity is high winters will tend to be colder when the Earth is farther from the sun in that season and hence, that during periods of high orbital eccentricity, ice ages occur on 22,000-year cycles in each hemisphere, and alternate between southern and northern hemispheres, lasting approximately 10,000 years each.[6]

Croll's theory predicted multiple ice ages, asynchronous in northern and southern hemispheres, and that the last ice ages should have ended about 80,000 years ago. Evidence was just then emerging of multiple ice ages, and geologists were interested in a theory to explain this. Geologists were not then able to date sediments accurately enough to determine if glaciation was synchronous between the hemispheres, though the limited evidence more pointed towards synchronicity than not. More crucially, estimates of the recession rate of the Niagara Falls indicated that the last ice age ended 6,000 to 35,000 years ago – a large range, but enough to rule out Croll's theory, to those who accepted the measurements.

James Croll - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm afraid I do.

The temptation to actually characterize your behavior as it deserves is almost overwhelming.

Oooh... Kepler. I guess you graduated from middle school.

 

[otto105]

Do you know what a catalyst is? ... it's something that is returned whole to be used again immediately ... like the platinum in catalytic converters ... after the car dies, the platinum can be recovered and used again and again and again and again ...

Do you know what an oscillating system is? ... it's something that doesn't need a catalyst ...

And how does that relate to our environmental concerns today?

There's the normal ones ... fly ash, oil spills, homes exploding ... and a set of Republicans who think industry can be trusted to manage these environmental issues themselves ...

My concern is with the dependence on foreign oil supplies ... the United States is too great to have to blow Saudi princes or unappreciative Canucks ... just saying ...

So, what was the catalyst?

 

[ding]

So, what was the catalyst?

Bipolar glaciation.

 

[ChemEngineer]

Global Warming Liars can only scream "consensus, consensus, consensus."
Facts be damned. Their lies are exposed in this 5 1/2 minute video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj9vGaHQ6Hw

 

[Crick]

Global Warming Liars can only scream "consensus, consensus, consensus."
Facts be damned. Their lies are exposed in this 5 1/2 minute video.

Wow. That's quite a video. Never mentioned carbon dioxide or the greenhouse effect. Seems to think the Vikings were up with Egypt, Greece and Rome as a civilization. Has Holocene temperature graphs that look NOTHING like anything produced in the last two decades. Claims that temperatures have been warmer than the present on multiple past occasions. Thinks we should hang on to coal fired power plants.

That's a full-up piece of crap that is.

 

[otto105]

Bipolar glaciation.

What the fuck is that?

 

[ding]

What the fuck is that?

The catalyst.

 

[ReinyDays]

[giggle]

 

[Crick]

What the fuck is that?

That would be glaciation at both poles. Ding seems to think that he's the only person in human history that's ever noticed the temperature differential between the equator and the poles.

 

[otto105]

The catalyst.

Hilarious