Gay wedding cakes at Muslim bakeries.

[Peach]

And it wouldn't matter.

Muslims should also make the fucking cake.

Religion no matter the god is just bs reason to discriminate.

Anyone should be allowed to choose who they serve and what they serve. Anti-discrimination laws are unconstitutional as they give one group more protection than another


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Incorrect.

Show me the part of the Constitution that gives the government the right to tell a private business whom they must serve and what they must serve.

14th Amendment, s. 1:

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

That prohibits the government from doing those things, that is what the "No State" means. There is not a thing in there about private citizens.

The point of the constitution is to limit the power of the government, not curtail the freedoms of the citizenry.

Businesses open to the public, and using public resources, must serve the public. Since the public pays for roads, emergency services, police protection, etc., if you don't want to deal with overgrown people above 5'8" in height, for example, suck it up, and stay in your home.

 

[RWNJ]

And it wouldn't matter.

Muslims should also make the fucking cake.

Religion no matter the god is just bs reason to discriminate.

Anyone should be allowed to choose who they serve and what they serve. Anti-discrimination laws are unconstitutional as they give one group more protection than another


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Incorrect.

Show me the part of the Constitution that gives the government the right to tell a private business whom they must serve and what they must serve.

14th Amendment, s. 1:

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

If someone owns a business, THEY decide who they serve. No one has a right to do business there, unless the business provides services that are required to be available to everyone by law, such as hospitals. I'm sorry, but there is no legal right for anyone to have a wedding cake.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Nobody is advocating JEWISH BAKERIES make cakes honoring HITLER.

No - they aren't BUT under the court ruling as it stood if Nazis were to walk into a Jewish Bakery and demand a swastika cake the baker would be legally obliged to make it

No, they would not because being a Nazi is not a protected class. That is the problem with our anti-discrimination laws, they give one group more protection over another.

 

[Slade3200]

Nobody is advocating JEWISH BAKERIES make cakes honoring HITLER.

No - they aren't BUT under the court ruling as it stood if Nazis were to walk into a Jewish Bakery and demand a swastika cake the baker would be legally obliged to make it

Why is that? Wouldn't the baker have discretion over what they design? I don't see the law requiring artists or designers or printers to create vulgarity. If I wanted a big dick drawn on a cake would the baker be required to make that as well? What if a teenage girl is working behind the counter? Is she forced to make it?

 

[GreenBean]

I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery

Touche ! Good Point, but most Chrsitians have very 'Liberal' interpretations of their Gospel and just any verse you can find can be contradicted or countermanded by another

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Anyone should be allowed to choose who they serve and what they serve. Anti-discrimination laws are unconstitutional as they give one group more protection than another


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Incorrect.

Show me the part of the Constitution that gives the government the right to tell a private business whom they must serve and what they must serve.

14th Amendment, s. 1:

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

That prohibits the government from doing those things, that is what the "No State" means. There is not a thing in there about private citizens.

The point of the constitution is to limit the power of the government, not curtail the freedoms of the citizenry.

Businesses open to the public, and using public resources, must serve the public. Since the public pays for roads, emergency services, police protection, etc., if you don't want to deal with overgrown people above 5'8" in height, for example, suck it up, and stay in your home.

Your home uses public resources, so you are going to let me into your home anytime I want?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

And it wouldn't matter.

Muslims should also make the fucking cake.

Religion no matter the god is just bs reason to discriminate.

Anyone should be allowed to choose who they serve and what they serve. Anti-discrimination laws are unconstitutional as they give one group more protection than another


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lol, so you can refuse blacks and disabled people? Please show me where in the constitutions it is unconstitutional. idiot.

Equal protections in the 14th amendment.

Religious freedom is also Constitutional. Who's rights trump who's?

SCOTUS is hearing the Colorado baker case, That'll settle the matter. An omen is the DOJ has filed a brief supporting the baker.

 

[Peach]

And it wouldn't matter.

Muslims should also make the fucking cake.

Religion no matter the god is just bs reason to discriminate.

Anyone should be allowed to choose who they serve and what they serve. Anti-discrimination laws are unconstitutional as they give one group more protection than another


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Incorrect.

Show me the part of the Constitution that gives the government the right to tell a private business whom they must serve and what they must serve.

14th Amendment, s. 1:

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

If someone owns a business, THEY decide who they serve. No one has a right to do business there, unless the business provides services that are required to be available to everyone by law, such as hospitals. I'm sorry, but there is no legal right for anyone to have a wedding cake.

That business uses resources the gay portion of the public pays for, this is established law.

 

[GreenBean]

I don't see the law requiring artists or designers or printers to create vulgarity

... the eye of the beholder ... One mans vulgarity [ A swastika or a gay couple is vulgar to many] is anothers' piece de resistance

 

[Peach]

Nobody is advocating JEWISH BAKERIES make cakes honoring HITLER.

No - they aren't BUT under the court ruling as it stood if Nazis were to walk into a Jewish Bakery and demand a swastika cake the baker would be legally obliged to make it

No, they would not because being a Nazi is not a protected class. That is the problem with our anti-discrimination laws, they give one group more protection over another.

No, a Nazi can receive the normal service, a cake. That is all this couple requested, normal service the public receives.

 

[GreenBean]

Nazi is not a protected class.

Federal protected classes include:
Race.
Color.
Religion or creed.
National origin or ancestry.
Sex.
Age.
Physical or mental disability.
Veteran status.
Genetic information.
Citizenship.

So you may well be correct. However the law is a fickle thing and a good lawyer could very well argue that Nazi beliefs fall under one of these categories. Just as Liberalism can be defined as a mental disability by some Naziism can be interpreted to be a religious belief if you stretch it.

You'll also note that sexual orientation is not on this list which comes from .. Practical Law US (New Platform) Signon but they are defacto listees if not de jure and have been privy to all the protection granted a privileged or protected class

 

[Slade3200]

I don't see the law requiring artists or designers or printers to create vulgarity

... the eye of the beholder ... One mans vulgarity [ A swastika or a gay couple is vulgar to many] is anothers' piece de resistance

This is true. So perhaps the solution here is to protect all peoples ability to receive products and services but allow businesses the discretion over the specific products and goods they sell. Especially in the creative services industry. For example, I think a conservative christian web designer should have the ability to pass on a client looking to build a porn website. Thoughts?

 

[Astrostar]

That state doesnt have PA laws for gays like some states do. Michigan i believe? That video was bunked a long time ago.
Just to stop the hacks from saying i want trannies pissing beside little girls, i dont. I fully support a business doing whatever they wish.

Saw a good line today. Paraphrasing: If baking a wedding cake for a gay couple says you endorse homosexuality, then voting for Roy Moore says that you endorse pedophilia. So, so true. Bigly.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

That state doesnt have PA laws for gays like some states do. Michigan i believe? That video was bunked a long time ago.
Just to stop the hacks from saying i want trannies pissing beside little girls, i dont. I fully support a business doing whatever they wish.

Saw a good line today. Paraphrasing: If baking a wedding cake for a gay couple says you endorse homosexuality, then voting for Roy Moore says that you endorse pedophilia. So, so true. Bigly.

Sounds like some idiot leftist said it.

 

[Timmy]

And it wouldn't matter.

Muslims should also make the fucking cake.

Religion no matter the god is just bs reason to discriminate.

Anyone should be allowed to choose who they serve and what they serve. Anti-discrimination laws are unconstitutional as they give one group more protection than another


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Incorrect.

Show me the part of the Constitution that gives the government the right to tell a private business whom they must serve and what they must serve.

Commerce clause .

 

[bodecea]

You know that was in Michigan where sexual orientation isn't mentioned in their PA laws so there is nothing preventing ANY business from discriminating based on sexual orientation.......right?

 

[Syriusly]

Ever wonder what would happen if someone asked a Muslim bakery to make a gay wedding cake? Wonder no more.

We need to call things what they are -- stop allowing homophobes to hide behind misused biblical scripture.

These sick people who still think God commands no penis in anus need to be told: YOU ARE NOT CHRISTIAN AT ALL.

Has anyone ever told you you're a blithering idiot? Well, if not, I just did.

Another faux Christian who ignores the words of Jesus

 

[Harpy Eagle]

And it wouldn't matter.

Muslims should also make the fucking cake.

Religion no matter the god is just bs reason to discriminate.

Anyone should be allowed to choose who they serve and what they serve. Anti-discrimination laws are unconstitutional as they give one group more protection than another


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Incorrect.

Show me the part of the Constitution that gives the government the right to tell a private business whom they must serve and what they must serve.

Commerce clause .

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

How does this provide for the government to tell private businesses what they must make and whom they must serve?

Not even close

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Ever wonder what would happen if someone asked a Muslim bakery to make a gay wedding cake? Wonder no more.

Never mind the video, I don't need the video to understand the guy's point.
I already "get" where he is coming from.

Here is where it gets sticky however...
Forget gay wedding cakes, how about an ordinary person shopping at Target, who
comes to the checkout counter, and the Somalian checkout clerk, a Muslim, refuses to ring up the shopper's groceries because they have purchased beer, or vodka, or they see bacon in there somewhere, or dog food.
This has actually happened, in Minneapolis.

Forget gay wedding cakes, how about a Somalian cabbie who refuses to pick up blind passengers because they have seeing-eye dogs. Or they refuse to pick up fares who have pork or alcohol. That also happened in Minneapolis.
In the case of Target, the city didn't have to attempt any government action, Target management stepped in and made it clear that the checkers either accommodate all shoppers or find new jobs.
In the case of the cabbies however, the government DID step in and THEY made it clear to cabbies that they either accommodate ALL passengers or else.
But interestingly, it was the MUSLIMS themselves who demonstrated even more smarts:

"This type of job helps immigrants move to the next level," says Hassan Mouhamud, Imam of the AlTaqwa Mosque in St. Paul, and a scholar of Islamic Law.

"Blocking that," he says, "can cost jobs, it can also cost immigrants and their families the American dream."

Mouhamud says there are schools of Islamic thought that allow for compromise.

He says under the Hanafi School of Islamic law, if Muslims live in a country that does not enforce their religious law, they can defer to the written laws of that country.

"American society has a rule of respecting religions," says Mouhamed. " We hope there is room to accommodate all faiths."

Muslim Cab Drivers Refuse to Transport Alcohol, and Dogs

So, if the Muslim community has demonstrated that there is room for compromise and that it is proper to accommodate people who do not share your religious beliefs, why can't Christians with "deeply held religious beliefs" find it in themselves to accommodate others, too?

My point is that wherever you go, you will find religious fundamentalists who try to rule out accommodation for anyone outside their circle, and feel it is God's work in doing so, but the larger religious community sees it as an unjust expression of intolerance.
And by defending the narrow-minded and intolerant, you are demanding that we, as Americans, tolerate intolerance.
And tolerating intolerance INVARIABLY leads to destruction of the very fabric of democracy itself.
So why not just admit to everyone that you hate democracy, that cuts out all of the nonsense anecdotes and tomfoolery.
I might disagree with your love of theocracy but at least I could respect the fact that you're an unashamed theocrat.

That said, theocracy is wholly incompatible with democracy, yes even representative democracy which is enshrined within a constitutional republic.
That IS what most people generally accept when they SAY the WORD "democracy" because intelligent people understand that there is no practical application of PURE democracy, and that the Founders themselves recognized that democracy can only really exist in its representative form within a constitutional republic.
The fact is, it can also exist within a constitutional monarchy as well but the Founders seemed to eschew the monarchy....for "some strange reason"

 

[Syriusly]

You know that was in Michigan where sexual orientation isn't mentioned in their PA laws so there is nothing preventing ANY business from discriminating based on sexual orientation.......right?

Even if they had. Which they hadn't.