Gay Teacher fired

[g5000]

Maybe he believes in Jesus or something

We druids aren't all that familiar with the policies of The Prophet Jesus so you may - or may not - be correct. Care to contribute (sincerely asked) any points of view Jesus may have expressed or which his contemporaries may have asserted he expressed on the subject?

It is my opinion that Jesus was gay. He was in his 30s and surrounded himself with other men. He was kind to women, but did not pursue marriage or any kind of sexual relationship with them. If that isn't the definition of gay, what is???

Abstinent =/= gay.

All joking about the recent scandals aside, is every priest gay? No. Your theory fails.

 

[Seawytch]

We druids aren't all that familiar with the policies of The Prophet Jesus so you may - or may not - be correct. Care to contribute (sincerely asked) any points of view Jesus may have expressed or which his contemporaries may have asserted he expressed on the subject?

It is my opinion that Jesus was gay. He was in his 30s and surrounded himself with other men. He was kind to women, but did not pursue marriage or any kind of sexual relationship with them. If that isn't the definition of gay, what is???

Abstinent =/= gay.

All joking about the recent scandals aside, is every priest gay? No. Your theory fails.

Abstinence = fucked up Catholic church doctrine that needs to go away.

 

[Seawytch]

We druids aren't all that familiar with the policies of The Prophet Jesus so you may - or may not - be correct. Care to contribute (sincerely asked) any points of view Jesus may have expressed or which his contemporaries may have asserted he expressed on the subject?

It is my opinion that Jesus was gay. He was in his 30s and surrounded himself with other men. He was kind to women, but did not pursue marriage or any kind of sexual relationship with them. If that isn't the definition of gay, what is???

Jesus loves me, this I know.

He traveled with a woman some called a prostitute. Why, if he was gay?

She was his f** hag.

 

[Harry Dresden]

We druids aren't all that familiar with the policies of The Prophet Jesus so you may - or may not - be correct. Care to contribute (sincerely asked) any points of view Jesus may have expressed or which his contemporaries may have asserted he expressed on the subject?

I can't quote the bible or anything like that because I don't know it well enough : /. But I'll take a shot at your question.

Catholics are taught to live our lives through the examples that Jesus set. The New Testament takes HUGE precedence over the Old Testament. There is no mention of the homosexuality in the New Testament. If someone is gay and they believe and trust in Jesus Christ then I have to believe that they are saved.

If they don't believe in Jesus then I have to hope that His mercy extends to them. And I have a feeling that it does.

It is a sin to lay down with someone of the same sex. It is not a sin to be gay it is a sin to practice it.

so if i put my son down with me to take a nap....i am sinning?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

It is a sin to lay down with someone of the same sex. It is not a sin to be gay it is a sin to practice it.

I don't for a moment challenge your right to feel that way but I would be sincerely interested to know whether Jesus expressed - or was ever alleged by a contemporary - to have expressed that thought. If so, under what circumstances?

Jesus would have looked at 2 gay guys and just shook his head and said...."fascinating".....

 

[Seawytch]

It is a sin to lay down with someone of the same sex. It is not a sin to be gay it is a sin to practice it.

I don't for a moment challenge your right to feel that way but I would be sincerely interested to know whether Jesus expressed - or was ever alleged by a contemporary - to have expressed that thought. If so, under what circumstances?

Jesus would have looked at 2 gay guys and just shook his head and said...."fascinating".....

Jesus is Spock?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Maybe he believes in Jesus or something

We druids aren't all that familiar with the policies of The Prophet Jesus so you may - or may not - be correct. Care to contribute (sincerely asked) any points of view Jesus may have expressed or which his contemporaries may have asserted he expressed on the subject?

It is my opinion that Jesus was gay. He was in his 30s and surrounded himself with other men. He was kind to women, but did not pursue marriage or any kind of sexual relationship with them. If that isn't the definition of gay, what is???

Jesus loves me, this I know.

men were more likely to be listened to back then.....how far would his word have gotten with Women apostles?....just sayin....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Couldn't decide where this belongs. Since liberals think this is a political issue I will post it in politics.

Gay Catholic School Teacher Fired for Wedding Plans

The man knew the contract he worked under required him to adhere to the Church's teachings publicly.

Most Churches do not abandon gays just for being gay. And the catholic church is similar. BY going public that he was marrying a man that meant he was actively living the gay life style. The Church does oppose that.

Prior to his public acknowledgement that he was a practicing gay the school and the Church had no problem and the contract held. As soon as he went public he was in violation of Church teachings and beliefs.

I do not see how contacting a lawyer will help. Prior to his announcement he was wedding a man the church had no public record that he was a practicing gay. They could in good faith keep him under the terms of the Contract.

Any civil action would be trying to put the Government in church business. And the 1st Amendment says that can not happen.

I find this hilarious.

Does the Catholic Church fire unmarried teachers who live with their fiances before the wedding? (I can tell you from personal experience, no, they don't.) Do they fire teachers who use birth control.

But what I find absolutely hilarious is that frankly, every nun who taught me growing up was a lesbian and every last priest and Christian Brother was a gay dude. Hilarious they are still going after the gheys when most of their clergy is.

how do you know they were gay Joe?.....hey just askin....

 

[Flopper]

Couldn't decide where this belongs. Since liberals think this is a political issue I will post it in politics.

Gay Catholic School Teacher Fired for Wedding Plans

The man knew the contract he worked under required him to adhere to the Church's teachings publicly.

Most Churches do not abandon gays just for being gay. And the catholic church is similar. BY going public that he was marrying a man that meant he was actively living the gay life style. The Church does oppose that.

Prior to his public acknowledgement that he was a practicing gay the school and the Church had no problem and the contract held. As soon as he went public he was in violation of Church teachings and beliefs.

I do not see how contacting a lawyer will help. Prior to his announcement he was wedding a man the church had no public record that he was a practicing gay. They could in good faith keep him under the terms of the Contract.

Any civil action would be trying to put the Government in church business. And the 1st Amendment says that can not happen.

I certainly don't like what the school did, but it sounds like they were within their rights to do so depending of course on what the contract said.

After a 12-year search of Catholic and Orthodox church archives Yale history professor John Boswell has discovered that a type of Christian homosexual "marriage" did exist as late as the 18th century.

Prof Boswell discovered that in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient church liturgical documents (and clearly separate from other types of non-marital blessings such as blessings of adopted children or land) were ceremonies called, among other titles, the "Office of Same Sex Union" (10th and 11th century Greek) or the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).

Did The Catholic Church Ordain Gay Weddings?

 

[Katzndogz]

What was the morals clause in the employment contract?

 

[Harry Dresden]

We druids aren't all that familiar with the policies of The Prophet Jesus so you may - or may not - be correct. Care to contribute (sincerely asked) any points of view Jesus may have expressed or which his contemporaries may have asserted he expressed on the subject?

I can't quote the bible or anything like that because I don't know it well enough : /. But I'll take a shot at your question.

Catholics are taught to live our lives through the examples that Jesus set. The New Testament takes HUGE precedence over the Old Testament. There is no mention of the homosexuality in the New Testament. If someone is gay and they believe and trust in Jesus Christ then I have to believe that they are saved.

If they don't believe in Jesus then I have to hope that His mercy extends to them. And I have a feeling that it does.

Yes, the New Testament does forbid homosexuality.

I Corinthians 6:9-10, "1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

It also affords forgiveness for those who repent of the ignominy:

I Corinthians 6:11, "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Jesus taught much more than was ever written in the synopsis of his life known as the Gospel stories listed in the 4 books, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. In fact, he taught chapter and verse from the Old Testament. One of the scriptures in the Old Testament was from the book of Leviticus, Chapter 18 and verse 22: "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

He would not have left that out due to the importance placed on the story of Sodom and Gomorrah which brought about these rules for living in society with other people, and to warn them that a society trapped in the demands of sinful proclivities would mistreat even the messengers of God with taboo treatment.

It's not easy to understand what is written until it is taken in context with known outcomes, and to discourage certain deleterious practices that rob people of their childhood and their parents of comforts in their old age. Sex has a purpose, but it is procreation of humans is through a woman and a man as God created them. That's why Christians believe marriage is a union between a woman and a man. The Bible is a valuable book of human experience that sheds light on what practice is right and good and what practice is not good for people to engage in. Christ told Satan in the Wilderness not to put God to the test as a warning to keep his Word close to mind, word, and deed.

/Lectio Divinia

i doubt the word "Homosexual" appeared in the earlier versions of the Bible....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Right...divorcees and people who have sex before wedlock should be fired immediately, right? The point is they aren't. Only the gay "sinners" get fired.

Pass ENDA now!

Presumably if single women or men went around proclaiming their latest sexual exploits they would be fired too.
Get off the victim mentality thing. You're not black. This isn't the 1960s. The Church is not Bull Connor.

They weren't "proclaiming sexual exploits", they just got a marriage license.

The church will change or die, just watch.

i dont know Wytch....its been around for a few thousand years and what saw there are still billions on the planet who follow it....

 

[boilermaker55]

Whew! Did his statement go way over your head. You missed the entire concept of what he posted and turned it into what you wanted to hear or read.
Damn!

We druids aren't all that familiar with the policies of The Prophet Jesus so you may - or may not - be correct. Care to contribute (sincerely asked) any points of view Jesus may have expressed or which his contemporaries may have asserted he expressed on the subject?

I can't quote the bible or anything like that because I don't know it well enough : /. But I'll take a shot at your question.

Catholics are taught to live our lives through the examples that Jesus set. The New Testament takes HUGE precedence over the Old Testament. There is no mention of the homosexuality in the New Testament. If someone is gay and they believe and trust in Jesus Christ then I have to believe that they are saved.

If they don't believe in Jesus then I have to hope that His mercy extends to them. And I have a feeling that it does.

So if the church does not want gays to be married by them, then why do you support the government forcing them to do so?

 

[Kosh]

Whew! Did his statement go way over your head. You missed the entire concept of what he posted and turned it into what you wanted to hear or read.
Damn!

I can't quote the bible or anything like that because I don't know it well enough : /. But I'll take a shot at your question.

Catholics are taught to live our lives through the examples that Jesus set. The New Testament takes HUGE precedence over the Old Testament. There is no mention of the homosexuality in the New Testament. If someone is gay and they believe and trust in Jesus Christ then I have to believe that they are saved.

If they don't believe in Jesus then I have to hope that His mercy extends to them. And I have a feeling that it does.

So if the church does not want gays to be married by them, then why do you support the government forcing them to do so?

Obviously you missed the point and cherry picked a part of a conversation.

 

[Kosh]

Couldn't decide where this belongs. Since liberals think this is a political issue I will post it in politics.

Gay Catholic School Teacher Fired for Wedding Plans

The man knew the contract he worked under required him to adhere to the Church's teachings publicly.

Most Churches do not abandon gays just for being gay. And the catholic church is similar. BY going public that he was marrying a man that meant he was actively living the gay life style. The Church does oppose that.

Prior to his public acknowledgement that he was a practicing gay the school and the Church had no problem and the contract held. As soon as he went public he was in violation of Church teachings and beliefs.

I do not see how contacting a lawyer will help. Prior to his announcement he was wedding a man the church had no public record that he was a practicing gay. They could in good faith keep him under the terms of the Contract.

Any civil action would be trying to put the Government in church business. And the 1st Amendment says that can not happen.

I certainly don't like what the school did, but it sounds like they were within their rights to do so depending of course on what the contract said.

After a 12-year search of Catholic and Orthodox church archives Yale history professor John Boswell has discovered that a type of Christian homosexual "marriage" did exist as late as the 18th century.

Prof Boswell discovered that in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient church liturgical documents (and clearly separate from other types of non-marital blessings such as blessings of adopted children or land) were ceremonies called, among other titles, the "Office of Same Sex Union" (10th and 11th century Greek) or the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).

Did The Catholic Church Ordain Gay Weddings?

Rense.com really?

 

[Freewill]

More far left bogus claims.

but he claims to be a republican

Jake claims to be republican?

Oh yes, a mainstream Republican. I think the Bible is a good source on this matter. "ye shall know them by their fruit."

 

[Noomi]

It is my opinion that Jesus was gay. He was in his 30s and surrounded himself with other men. He was kind to women, but did not pursue marriage or any kind of sexual relationship with them. If that isn't the definition of gay, what is???

Jesus loves me, this I know.

He was celibate for a reason. I believe he was gay, too.

 

[Vox]

seems clear

Discrimination Law: Hiring & Firing | eHow

Workplace Discrimination Based on Religion - HG.org

Sea is right, that school had no right to have that clause in the contract, therefore they owe him money

nope, they do not.

exactly a year ago a SCOTUS decision was almost about IDENTICAL situation - and SCOTUS decided 9-0 ( unprecedented) to upheld the church's right to fire a teacher because of her disability ( sic!!!) - because they have the right to do so - check the links on the previous page.

 

[Seawytch]

Presumably if single women or men went around proclaiming their latest sexual exploits they would be fired too.
Get off the victim mentality thing. You're not black. This isn't the 1960s. The Church is not Bull Connor.

They weren't "proclaiming sexual exploits", they just got a marriage license.

The church will change or die, just watch.

i dont know Wytch....its been around for a few thousand years and what saw there are still billions on the planet who follow it....

I do know. Look at Pope Frank...he's already paving the way. Membership is down here in the good old US of A and one of the primary reasons given is the that organized religion is seen as intolerant.

"Kids these days" still want that old time religion, they just don't like hanging on to the old time bigotries.

Historically, the percentage of Americans who said they had no religious affiliation (pollsters refer to this group as the "nones") has been very small -- hovering between 5 percent and 10 percent.

However, Putnam says the percentage of "nones" has now skyrocketed to between 30 percent and 40 percent among younger Americans.

Putnam calls this a "stunning development." He gave reporters a first glimpse of his data Tuesday at a conference on religion organized by the Pew Forum on Faith in Public Life.[...]
"Many of them are people who would otherwise be in church," Putnam said. "They have the same attitidues and values as people who are in church, but they grew up in a period in which being religious meant being politically conservative, especially on social issues."

Putnam says that in the past two decades, many young people began to view organized religion as a source of "intolerance and rigidity and doctrinaire political views," and therefore stopped going to church.

Young Americans Losing Their Religion

 

[Seawytch]

seems clear

Discrimination Law: Hiring & Firing | eHow

Workplace Discrimination Based on Religion - HG.org

Sea is right, that school had no right to have that clause in the contract, therefore they owe him money

nope, they do not.

exactly a year ago a SCOTUS decision was almost about IDENTICAL situation - and SCOTUS decided 9-0 ( unprecedented) to upheld the church's right to fire a teacher because of her disability ( sic!!!) - because they have the right to do so - check the links on the previous page.

Roberts said the ruling was confined the facts of the case

Try firing someone solely for their religious beliefs...or not hiring them because of them.