Four charged in assisted suicide ring as FBI investigates 'Final Exit Network'

[strollingbones]

i shun the idea of one killing one's self but i think one should have the option. If one opts to off themself then there should be a sane and legal way to do it.

Four members of an alleged assisted suicide ring have been charged with helping a 58-year-old man end his life.
The arrests came after a sting operation in which an undercover agent posed as a member of the 'Final Exit Network' group.

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Four charged in assisted suicide ring as FBI investigates 'Final Exit Network' | Mail Online

 

[RetiredGySgt]

i shun the idea of one killing one's self but i think one should have the option. If one opts to off themself then there should be a sane and legal way to do it.

Four members of an alleged assisted suicide ring have been charged with helping a 58-year-old man end his life.
The arrests came after a sting operation in which an undercover agent posed as a member of the 'Final Exit Network' group.

Full Article:

Four charged in assisted suicide ring as FBI investigates 'Final Exit Network' | Mail Online

And I disagree. I was suicidal for most of my life. Had it under control till 1994 but from Dec 94 until spring 2004 it was not under control. I wanted to be dead. Just my stubborn ass refusal to abandon my family kept me from all but one attempt. From 2004 until last summer I still had the constant thoughts I just had enough meds I could more easily control them, since last summer they upped my meds and now I almost NEVER have those thoughts.

Using your logic, just cause I feel like dieing I should be allowed and others should be able to help me. Ohh at what age were you going to make this a law? So we can then listen to Agnastupid claim he is denied another right?

It is a bad idea and ALWAYS will be a bad idea. If an able bodied person REALLY insists on killing them selves they can do it.

 

[dilloduck]

i shun the idea of one killing one's self but i think one should have the option. If one opts to off themself then there should be a sane and legal way to do it.

Four members of an alleged assisted suicide ring have been charged with helping a 58-year-old man end his life.
The arrests came after a sting operation in which an undercover agent posed as a member of the 'Final Exit Network' group.

Full Article:

Four charged in assisted suicide ring as FBI investigates 'Final Exit Network' | Mail Online

I think there outta be a sane and legal way of killing other people too. That sure as hell would keep folks on their toes.

 

[Diuretic]

This is difficult. I have to say we labour under the same sort of problem here.

Rock- not being presumptuous but your situation is perhaps different. Don't arc up, I'm not trying to start a fight, I've been there, though not as severe. I was finally diagnosed with major depressive disorder after some years with it several years ago, those years of undiagnosed depression caused me a lot of personal grief, none of it relevant here. But as bad as it was it was "just" depression. Fucking rotten but not a terminal illness. If someone is facing a terminal illness and current medical science says no hope then why shouldn't their own wishes be observed? I know what comes next, greed rels wanting to get the money etc. But any half competent legislature can draft legislation to cover everything. It's just that the gutless bastards won't face up to it and try to do it so they pull this crap.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

This is difficult. I have to say we labour under the same sort of problem here.

Rock- not being presumptuous but your situation is perhaps different. Don't arc up, I'm not trying to start a fight, I've been there, though not as severe. I was finally diagnosed with major depressive disorder after some years with it several years ago, those years of undiagnosed depression caused me a lot of personal grief, none of it relevant here. But as bad as it was it was "just" depression. Fucking rotten but not a terminal illness. If someone is facing a terminal illness and current medical science says no hope then why shouldn't their own wishes be observed? I know what comes next, greed rels wanting to get the money etc. But any half competent legislature can draft legislation to cover everything. It's just that the gutless bastards won't face up to it and try to do it so they pull this crap.

Any time you allow the Government to LEGALLY kill people just because, is a bad idea. Assisted suicide will become a legal means to get rid of the helpless, the sick and the infirm. That is how it works. Can we say Nationalized or national health care? Guess what? No one can actually afford it, passing laws like this will lead to "assisting" those the Government does not want to pay for to " commit suicide"

 

[Diuretic]

This is difficult. I have to say we labour under the same sort of problem here.

Rock- not being presumptuous but your situation is perhaps different. Don't arc up, I'm not trying to start a fight, I've been there, though not as severe. I was finally diagnosed with major depressive disorder after some years with it several years ago, those years of undiagnosed depression caused me a lot of personal grief, none of it relevant here. But as bad as it was it was "just" depression. Fucking rotten but not a terminal illness. If someone is facing a terminal illness and current medical science says no hope then why shouldn't their own wishes be observed? I know what comes next, greed rels wanting to get the money etc. But any half competent legislature can draft legislation to cover everything. It's just that the gutless bastards won't face up to it and try to do it so they pull this crap.

Any time you allow the Government to LEGALLY kill people just because, is a bad idea. Assisted suicide will become a legal means to get rid of the helpless, the sick and the infirm. That is how it works. Can we say Nationalized or national health care? Guess what? No one can actually afford it, passing laws like this will lead to "assisting" those the Government does not want to pay for to " commit suicide"

Govt can legally kill people in Tx.

And I'm not arguing for one moment that govt does it. I'm arguing they get out of the way.

Save the slippery slope arguments for the other morons, it won't work with me.

 

[editec]

This is difficult. I have to say we labour under the same sort of problem here.

Rock- not being presumptuous but your situation is perhaps different. Don't arc up, I'm not trying to start a fight, I've been there, though not as severe. I was finally diagnosed with major depressive disorder after some years with it several years ago, those years of undiagnosed depression caused me a lot of personal grief, none of it relevant here. But as bad as it was it was "just" depression. Fucking rotten but not a terminal illness. If someone is facing a terminal illness and current medical science says no hope then why shouldn't their own wishes be observed? I know what comes next, greed rels wanting to get the money etc. But any half competent legislature can draft legislation to cover everything. It's just that the gutless bastards won't face up to it and try to do it so they pull this crap.

Any time you allow the Government to LEGALLY kill people just because, is a bad idea.

While I think I understand your point regarding elgal suicide, that's also the argument against capital punishment.

Perhaps you'll want to restate it?

Assisted suicide will become a legal means to get rid of the helpless, the sick and the infirm. That is how it works. Can we say Nationalized or national health care? Guess what? No one can actually afford it, passing laws like this will lead to "assisting" those the Government does not want to pay for to " commit suicide"

I have to admit, while I completely think individuals ought to have the right to terminate themselves, giving the government the right to make the decision is completely wrong.

Of course, I don't think anyone is suggest that.

 

[waltky]

Stephen Hawking comes out in favor of assisted suicide...

British cosmologist Hawking backs right to assisted suicide
17 Sept.`13 - British cosmologist Stephen Hawking has backed the right for people who are terminally ill to choose to end their lives and to receive help to do so as long as safeguards are in place.

The wheelchair-bound Hawking was diagnosed with motor neurone disease aged 21 and told he had two to three years to live. Now 71, he is one of the world's leading scientists, known especially for his work on black holes and as author of the international bestseller "A Brief History of Time". Speaking ahead of the release of a documentary about his life this week, Hawking said he backed the right to die but only if the person involved had chosen that route.

He recalled how he was once put on a life support machine after suffering pneumonia and his wife was given the option of switching off the machine but this is not something he wanted. "I think those who have a terminal illness and are in great pain should have the right to choose to end their lives, and those who help them should be free from prosecution," Hawking told the BBC. "There must be safeguards that the person concerned genuinely wants to end their life and are not being pressurized into it or have it done without their knowledge and consent as would have been the case with me."

Assisted suicide is illegal in Britain and the issue of whether or not to decriminalize it for people whose lives are unbearable is a matter of debate in many countries. Right-to-die advocates say people capable of making that decision should be allowed to die with dignity. Opponents say liberalizing the law could leave vulnerable people at risk. Switzerland and several U.S. states are among places where some forms of euthanasia or assisted suicide are legal under certain circumstances.

Hawking, who has made guest appearances in TV shows such as The Simpsons and Star Trek, says his active mind and sense of humor are key to his survival. Hawking communicates via a cheek muscle linked to a sensor and computerized voice system. He urged anyone with a disability to focus on what they can do and not regret what they cannot do. "Theoretical physics is one field where being disabled is not a handicap. It is all in the mind," said the scientist, who works at Cambridge University. The documentary "Hawking" by Vertigo Films is due to be released in Britain on September 20.

British cosmologist Hawking backs right to assisted suicide