Firefighters Professional Trade Journal Concludes 9/11 Was "Explosive Demolition"

[Soupnazi630]

A false narrative you offer sir. Countless people including firemen reported hearing explosions. Former congressman Curt Weldon, himself a fireman, just mentioned that last night on Tucker. It was an inside job, and not only that, it was a nuclear event. Thank Israel for it.

No they did not mention explosions

Your claim is a falsehood

It was no inside job

 

[hadit]

Conspiracy theory abounds

And every time you point out a discrepancy in the theory, it just gets bigger. "Well, they were in on it too". So far, we have the demolition teams themselves, all the thousands of people that were using the buildings saying nothing of the teams they saw and heard tearing up floors and drilling into walls, fire departments that were in on it and allowed their people to die, police departments who allowed their cops to go to their deaths and investigators who sifted through all the rubble, looking for anything out of the ordinary and safely disposing of it before anyone saw. All staying absolutely silent for more than 20 years. Did I leave anyone out?

Does everyone not know how impossible it would be for that many people to have that big of a secret and no one say anything at all for this long a time?

 

[PeterPilot]

Given that such prep not only takes a long time but is very visible, and the fact that those buildings were all heavily used and had foot traffic around the clock, here are the questions you need to address:

1. If all three buildings were indeed wired with explosives, when were they so wired without anyone noticing anything at all?
2. How did the demolition teams manage to get in and out without arousing so much as a peep of suspicion, with absolutely no one coming forward after the event to say that they saw or heard suspicious activity with people tearing up floors and drilling holes in walls? That is, after all, what demolition teams do. No security guards, no cleaning teams, no late-night workers, no one at all said they heard or saw anything at all.
3. If the buildings were supposed to appear to collapse naturally, why would the explosives teams take all that time and so precisely place the explosives so as to make the collapse appear unnatural and risk drawing attention from conspiracy theorists? It would make more sense to be sloppy.
4. We know that secrets held by more than one person inevitably surface. Why has absolutely no one come forward in over 20 years even hinting that he/she was involved in secret drilling, tapping, and setting explosives to kill American citizens? Not even crackpots, and crackpots will falsely confess to murder. No deathbed confessions, nothing.

It's all fine and dandy to insist there were explosives, but they don't materialize from nothing with no one noticing anything.

The record shows that some fake "elevator work" was being done in both towers in the weeks and months before the event. That provided cover for the perps. More, the company Securacom was on the inside, owned at least in part by one of the Bush family. It provided "security" for WTC and at least 1 of the airline companies involved in the scam.

 

[hadit]

A false narrative you offer sir. Countless people including firemen reported hearing explosions. Former congressman Curt Weldon, himself a fireman, just mentioned that last night on Tucker. It was an inside job, and not only that, it was a nuclear event. Thank Israel for it.

How did the buildings get wired for explosives with no one, absolutely no one noticing anything? That kind of wiring, to be done correctly, requires floors to be torn up and walls to be drilled, none of which is quiet or invisible. These buildings had people in them around the clock, and no one heard or saw anything?

 

[hadit]

The record shows that some fake "elevator work" was being done in both towers in the weeks and months before the event. That provided cover for the perps. More, the company Securacom was on the inside, owned at least in part by one of the Bush family. It provided "security" for WTC and at least 1 of the airline companies involved in the scam.

Okay, here's your task. Prove that the elevator work was fake. Don't just claim it was fake, prove it, then come back and address the fact that they would not just put explosives in elevator shafts if they really wanted the buildings to come down cleanly.

Like I said, the conspiracy just keeps getting bigger. Now there are airline companies involved, allowing three very expensive aircraft to just be destroyed.

Again, when hundreds or thousands of people hold a secret, the length of time it remains a secret can be measured in very short increments. And this would be a huge secret, bigger than who killed JFK, another conspiracy that has ballooned to a massive size.

 

[PeterPilot]

How did the buildings get wired for explosives with no one, absolutely no one noticing anything? That kind of wiring, to be done correctly, requires floors to be torn up and walls to be drilled, none of which is quiet or invisible. These buildings had people in them around the clock, and no one heard or saw anything?

I just answered that in post #123. It was an inside job. Security company was owned by Bush interests. Tenants were told the weekend before that all power would be turned off for some period of time over the weekend.

 

[PeterPilot]

Okay, here's your task. Prove that the elevator work was fake. Don't just claim it was fake, prove it, then come back and address the fact that they would not just put explosives in elevator shafts if they really wanted the buildings to come down cleanly.

Like I said, the conspiracy just keeps getting bigger. Now there are airline companies involved, allowing three very expensive aircraft to just be destroyed.

Again, when hundreds or thousands of people hold a secret, the length of time it remains a secret can be measured in very short increments. And this would be a huge secret, bigger than who killed JFK, another conspiracy that has ballooned to a massive size.

I don't have to prove it sir. The event is now 24 years old, and facts like these were known and written about by numerous investigative journalists and citizen investigators. If you did not inform yourself 20 years ago about these facts, that is your problem and not mine.

Men like Michael Ruppert, David Ray Griffin, Christopher Bollyn and many others wrote books about this. Perhaps you weren't born yet....?

 

[Soupnazi630]

The record shows that some fake "elevator work" was being done in both towers in the weeks and months before the event. That provided cover for the perps. More, the company Securacom was on the inside, owned at least in part by one of the Bush family. It provided "security" for WTC and at least 1 of the airline companies involved in the scam.

There are no such records

 

[Soupnazi630]

I just answered that in post #123. It was an inside job. Security company was owned by Bush interests. Tenants were told the weekend before that all power would be turned off for some period of time over the weekend.

You did not answer

 

[Soupnazi630]

I don't have to prove it sir. The event is now 24 years old, and facts like these were known and written about by numerous investigative journalists and citizen investigators. If you did not inform yourself 20 years ago about these facts, that is your problem and not mine.

Men like Michael Ruppert, David Ray Griffin, Christopher Bollyn and many others wrote books about this. Perhaps you weren't born yet....?

yes you do have to prove it or you are a liar

You saw no such records 20 years ago and were never informed

 

[Skylar]

A false narrative you offer sir. Countless people including firemen reported hearing explosions. Former congressman Curt Weldon, himself a fireman, just mentioned that last night on Tucker. It was an inside job, and not only that, it was a nuclear event. Thank Israel for it.

False narrative, my friend.

As we're talking about WTC 7. The reports you're referring to are WTC 1 and 2.

There is no such thing as silent explosive demolition. And the the collapse of WTC 7 initiated in silence.

Try again. This time actually addressing the theory killing holes in the truther narrative.

 

[Skylar]

Demolition contractors and fire fighters do not necessarily mean the same thing when they say "pull" a building.

Of course they don't. And the folks that Larry Silverstein was talking to were the FDNY when he said to 'pull it'.

The Truther explanation, in all its horrid, mind-numbing glory....is that the FDNY explosively demolished WTC 7 while it was on fire.

All backed with zero evidence.

 

[Skylar]

The record shows that some fake "elevator work" was being done in both towers in the weeks and months before the event. That provided cover for the perps. More, the company Securacom was on the inside, owned at least in part by one of the Bush family. It provided "security" for WTC and at least 1 of the airline companies involved in the scam.

"Fake elevator work' according to who?

The Port authority bomb squad was on site until a WEEK before the 911 attacks and found NO bombs of any kind. Nor did their bomb sniffing dogs.

There's no system of explosive demolition that's silent. Excluding explosive demolition as a possibility in WTC 7.

There's no system of explosive demolition that works while ON FIRE. Excluding explosive demolition for WTC 1 and 2, as both buildings were subject to massive fires.

There's no system of explosive demolition that works after being hit by a plane. Excluding explosive demolition from WTC 1 and 2, as the collapse initiated at the point of impact and proceed down 1 floor at a time all the way to the ground.

So there would have had to have been charges on every single floor of every single building from the point of impact to the ground, all in an occupied building, all in under a WEEK. That's 50,000 charges that would have to set in an OCCUPIED building.

Worse, there's no cut steel. Charges sever steel in very specific ways. We found bent steel. We found twisted steel. We found intact steel. We found no cuts consistent with any explosive demolition. None.

With the collapse initiating at the 77th and 90th floors respectively, roughly 250 outer panels to cut and 47 core columns to cut PER FLOOR, that's roughly 50,000 cuts in structural steel consistent with explosive demolition we'd have found.

And we found ZERO.

The explosive demolition theory is just an awful explanation of events.

 

[hadit]

I just answered that in post #123. It was an inside job. Security company was owned by Bush interests. Tenants were told the weekend before that all power would be turned off for some period of time over the weekend.

Do you actually believe buildings of that size can be successfully wired for demolition in a weekend?

 

[hadit]

I don't have to prove it sir. The event is now 24 years old, and facts like these were known and written about by numerous investigative journalists and citizen investigators. If you did not inform yourself 20 years ago about these facts, that is your problem and not mine.

Men like Michael Ruppert, David Ray Griffin, Christopher Bollyn and many others wrote books about this. Perhaps you weren't born yet....?

Link to something that says it was fake work so we can weigh it for ourselves.

 

[Skylar]

Do you actually believe buildings of that size can be successfully wired for demolition in a weekend?

250 outer panels per floor, 47 core columns with the collapse initiating at the 90th and 77th floor respective, collapsing one floor at a time all the way to the ground.

Is almost 50,000 charges.......in an OCCUPIED building (remember, September 11th was a Tuesday), done in a weekend, without a single piece of steel cut in a manner consistent with explosive demolition without ever being detected?

This is the stupidest conspiracy I've ever heard. And I listed to these poor souls prattle on about Obama's birth certificate.

 

[hadit]

250 outer panels per floor, 47 core columns with the collapse initiating at the 90th and 77th floor respective, collapsing one floor at a time all the way to the ground.

Is almost 50,000 charges.......in an OCCUPIED building (remember, September 11th was a Tuesday), done in a weekend, without a single piece of steel cut in a manner consistent with explosive demolition without ever being detected?

This is the stupidest conspiracy I've ever heard. And I listed to these poor souls prattle on about Obama's birth certificate.

These kinds of inconvenient facts just make the conspiracy bigger and more creative.

 

[MisterBeale]

I didn't attack you personally. I attacked the 'disprove my imagination' argument.

Arguments and explanations are always fair game for criticism.

Try again. Maybe with evidence that the Bush relatives shorted stock immediately before 911? As there's been nothing presented to back that claim up.

We're done.

You are too stoopid, illogical and nasty to have a conversation with.

Urban Dictionary: Truther

Truther: Is one who rejects the official explanation provided for [September 11, 2001]. They include professional [architects] and engineers, scientists, and...

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[Skylar]

We're done.

You are too stoopid, illogical and nasty to have a conversation with.

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Urban Dictionary: Truther

Truther: Is one who rejects the official explanation provided for [September 11, 2001]. They include professional [architects] and engineers, scientists, and...

www.urbandictionary.com

I didn't say you were a truther. I said the truther argument was awful. And it is. Its a terrible explanation of events, riddled with conjecture, fact free accusations,

And can I take it that with your ad homenims and attempt to flee......that you've got nothing to back the claim that Bush relatives shorted stock right before 911.

Color me shocked.

 

[MisterBeale]

you've got nothing to back the claim that Bush relatives shorted stock right Obefore 911.

O.K., sure. Why did Bush's SEC destroy that data on that insider trading?
. . . along with many other pieces of evidence?

https://web.archive.org/web/20111022002539if_/http://maxkeiser.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/FOIAresponseGIF1.gif

https://cryptome.org/wtc-nist-wtc7-no.pdf

"We've interviewed 80 people involved with Able Danger, combed through hundreds of thousands of documents and millions of e-mails and have still found no documentation of Mohamed Atta," Swiergosz said.

He added that certain data had to be destroyed in accordance with existing regulations regarding "intelligence data on U.S. persons."

Weldon has said that Atta, the mastermind of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and three other hijackers were identified in 1999 by a classified military intelligence unit known as "Able Danger," which determined they could be members of an al-Qaida cell.

On Wednesday, former members of the Sept. 11 commission dismissed the "Able Danger" assertions. One commissioner, ex-Sen. Slade Gorton, R-Wash., said, "Bluntly, it just didn't happen and that's the conclusion of all 10 of us."

Weldon responded angrily to Gorton's assertions.

"It's absolutely unbelievable that a commission would say this program just didn't exist," Weldon said Thursday. . . "

ABC News: Weldon: Atta Papers Destroyed on Orders

Don't answer, b/c you can't give a logical, reasonable answer.

Most intelligent folks can figure this out.

Occam's razor - Wikipedia

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