Firefighters Professional Trade Journal Concludes 9/11 Was "Explosive Demolition"

[Skylar]

And every time you point out a discrepancy in the theory, it just gets bigger. "Well, they were in on it too". So far, we have the demolition teams themselves, all the thousands of people that were using the buildings saying nothing of the teams they saw and heard tearing up floors and drilling into walls, fire departments that were in on it and allowed their people to die, police departments who allowed their cops to go to their deaths and investigators who sifted through all the rubble, looking for anything out of the ordinary and safely disposing of it before anyone saw. All staying absolutely silent for more than 20 years. Did I leave anyone out?

Does everyone not know how impossible it would be for that many people to have that big of a secret and no one say anything at all for this long a time?

O.K., sure. Why did Bush's SEC destroy that date on that insider trading?
. . . along with many other pieces of evidence?

https://web.archive.org/web/20111022002539if_/http://maxkeiser.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/FOIAresponseGIF1.gif

https://cryptome.org/wtc-nist-wtc7-no.pdf

"We've interviewed 80 people involved with Able Danger, combed through hundreds of thousands of documents and millions of e-mails and have still found no documentation of Mohamed Atta," Swiergosz said.

He added that certain data had to be destroyed in accordance with existing regulations regarding "intelligence data on U.S. persons."

Weldon has said that Atta, the mastermind of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and three other hijackers were identified in 1999 by a classified military intelligence unit known as "Able Danger," which determined they could be members of an al-Qaida cell.

On Wednesday, former members of the Sept. 11 commission dismissed the "Able Danger" assertions. One commissioner, ex-Sen. Slade Gorton, R-Wash., said, "Bluntly, it just didn't happen and that's the conclusion of all 10 of us."

Weldon responded angrily to Gorton's assertions.

"It's absolutely unbelievable that a commission would say this program just didn't exist," Weldon said Thursday. . . "

ABC News: Weldon: Atta Papers Destroyed on Orders

Don't answer, b/c you can't give a logical, reasonable answer.

Most intelligent folks can figure this out.

Occam's razor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Who says that Bush destroyed them, or ordered them destroyed?

Again, you're justifying baseless conjecture with more baseless conjecture.

Show us the evidence that the Bush relatives shorted the stock before 911, or admit you can't back the claim. I certainly can't. There's no such evidence.

 

[MisterBeale]

There's no such evidence.

Generally, in the course of intelligence operations, they don't leave evidence. . . .

Of course there is none.

 

[Skylar]

Generally, in the course of intelligence operations, they don't leave evidence. . . .

Of course there is none.

Or......you simply can't back up the imaginary claim that the Bush family shorted stocks right before 911.

No vast intelligence operation required. Just you......and your imagination.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

A false narrative you offer sir. Countless people including firemen reported hearing explosions. Former congressman Curt Weldon, himself a fireman, just mentioned that last night on Tucker. It was an inside job, and not only that, it was a nuclear event. Thank Israel for it.

Countless people including firemen reported hearing explosions.

How many explosive rigs did it take to knock them down?
How many rigs did they find in the rubble? In each building?

it was a nuclear event

With no radioactivity? Wow!

 

[Skylar]

Countless people including firemen reported hearing explosions.

How many explosive rigs did it take to knock them down?
How many rigs did they find in the rubble? In each building?

it was a nuclear event

With no radioactivity? Wow!

Explosions during building fires are ludicrously common. Things under pressure get heated and explode constantly. But explosive demolition?

There are no girders cut in a manner consistent with explosive demolition. The collapse was exactly opposite of explosive demolition. There was no reports of any bombs, charges, blasting wire or ANY apparatus of explosive demoltion found in any portion of the WTC plaza before, during or after the collapse. And there's no known system of explosive demolition that works while ON FIRE, or hit by a plane.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Generally, in the course of intelligence operations, they don't leave evidence. . . .

Of course there is none.

No evidence of hundreds (thousands?) of explosive rigs?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Explosions during building fires are ludicrously common. Things under pressure get heated and explode constantly. But explosive demolition?

There are no girders cut in a manner constituent with explosive demolition. The collapse was exactly opposite of explosive demolition. There was no reports of any bombs, charges, blasting wire or ANY apparatus of explosive demoltion found in any portion of the WTC plaza before, during or after the collapse. And there's no known system of explosive demolition that works while ON FIRE, or hit by a plane.

Well, the best way to demolish a building is to install all the demo rigs, secretly, and then have a jet plane full of fuel crash into and set fire to the building.

No chance of disrupting your installed explosives, wiring etc. etc.

Just ask the experts on this thread.

 

[hadit]

Well, the best way to demolish a building is to install all the demo rigs, secretly, and then have a jet plane full of fuel crash into and set fire to the building.

No chance of disrupting your installed explosives, wiring etc. etc.

Just ask the experts on this thread.

And, of course, leave the biggest, most intently watched and studied mountain of rubble with hundreds of cameras trained on it, thousands of rescue workers, dogs, construction crews, all swarming all over said mountain, and safely disposing of ALL traces of explosives with no one saying anything.

They identified the bomb used to take down a single airliner from a mere scrap of paper they pulled from the wreckage. Who here honestly believes that NONE of the people working on, in and around the mountain of rubble saw ANY sign of a blasting cap, explosives container, or wire from the thousands of explosives that would have had to be placed?

It's easy to claim that there were explosives in the buildings, but no one, and I mean no one has offered a reasonable argument that explains the following:

1. You would need thousands of devices strategically placed to bring those buildings down, and it could not have been done in a single weekend. Why did no one report demo teams tearing up floors and drilling into walls?
2. You would need thousands of devices strategically placed to bring those buildings down, and that would leave traces behind. Little bits of paper, pieces of wire, etc. No one in, on, or around the debris pile found anything that would indicate the presence of explosives. Where was it all?

 

[PeterPilot]

Countless people including firemen reported hearing explosions.

How many explosive rigs did it take to knock them down?
How many rigs did they find in the rubble? In each building?

it was a nuclear event

With no radioactivity? Wow!

There was radioactivity, and it was measured by USGS. There was radioactivity, but mainstream media didn't tell you about it so you have been ignorant of that fact for 20+ years. You and most other Americans.

If you are curious and care to be informed, check this out.

https://avalonlibrary.net/911/PRAGER%2C%20Jeff/911%20America%20Nuked%20%28Prager%2C%20Jeff%29.pdf

 

[PeterPilot]

Link to something that says it was fake work so we can weigh it for ourselves.

If you were a curious person seeking knowledge and the truth, you would already have discovered that. I have no obligation to inform the closed minded people of this world.

 

[PeterPilot]

"Fake elevator work' according to who?

The Port authority bomb squad was on site until a WEEK before the 911 attacks and found NO bombs of any kind. Nor did their bomb sniffing dogs.

There's no system of explosive demolition that's silent. Excluding explosive demolition as a possibility in WTC 7.

There's no system of explosive demolition that works while ON FIRE. Excluding explosive demolition for WTC 1 and 2, as both buildings were subject to massive fires.

There's no system of explosive demolition that works after being hit by a plane. Excluding explosive demolition from WTC 1 and 2, as the collapse initiated at the point of impact and proceed down 1 floor at a time all the way to the ground.

So there would have had to have been charges on every single floor of every single building from the point of impact to the ground, all in an occupied building, all in under a WEEK. That's 50,000 charges that would have to set in an OCCUPIED building.

Worse, there's no cut steel. Charges sever steel in very specific ways. We found bent steel. We found twisted steel. We found intact steel. We found no cuts consistent with any explosive demolition. None.

With the collapse initiating at the 77th and 90th floors respectively, roughly 250 outer panels to cut and 47 core columns to cut PER FLOOR, that's roughly 50,000 cuts in structural steel consistent with explosive demolition we'd have found.

And we found ZERO.

The explosive demolition theory is just an awful explanation of events.

You offer 20+ year old propaganda and expect me to take you seriously?

 

[PeterPilot]

False narrative, my friend.

As we're talking about WTC 7. The reports you're referring to are WTC 1 and 2.

There is no such thing as silent explosive demolition. And the the collapse of WTC 7 initiated in silence.

Try again. This time actually addressing the theory killing holes in the truther narrative.

LOL.

So what is the Skylar Theory on how 7 came down at free fall rates? Spontaneous collapse? You might cite NIST, but wait, NIST remained silent about 7. You're a comedian and you don't know it.

 

[hadit]

If you were a curious person seeking knowledge and the truth, you would already have discovered that. I have no obligation to inform the closed minded people of this world.

Noted that you're unwilling (unable?) to link to anything backing up your assertions. I still see no effort to even consider the flaws in the conspiracy theory. You claim there were explosives yet have no explanation for the disruption that planting them would have caused and that no one, absolutely no one, said they noticed. You also have no explanation how the most watched, observed and monitored pile of rubble the world has seen was gone through meticulously with no one finding pieces of detonators, wires, or fragments of explosives, things that are inevitably left behind in controlled demolitions.

Until those inconvenient questions are dealt with, I see no reason to hunt down obscure mumblings from the far reaches of the interwebs trying to justify a conspiracy theory. Just post a link or two and let us evaluate them on our own. Surely you have confidence in them.

 

[hadit]

There was radioactivity, and it was measured by USGS. There was radioactivity, but mainstream media didn't tell you about it so you have been ignorant of that fact for 20+ years. You and most other Americans.

If you are curious and care to be informed, check this out.

https://avalonlibrary.net/911/PRAGER%2C%20Jeff/911%20America%20Nuked%20%28Prager%2C%20Jeff%29.pdf

I have to remind us all that a fusion explosion not only requires a fission explosion first to ignite it, but would have obliterated most, if not all, of downtown New York. Of all the wild theories I've seen, that has to be one of the least credible.

 

[hadit]

You offer 20+ year old propaganda and expect me to take you seriously?

You were challenged to back up your assertion that there was fake elevator work. Thus far, you have not substantiated much of anything, and your response is classic deflection.

 

[hadit]

LOL.

So what is the Skylar Theory on how 7 came down at free fall rates? Spontaneous collapse? You might cite NIST, but wait, NIST remained silent about 7. You're a comedian and you don't know it.

And again, a building that size is not brought down by a few hastily installed explosives over a weekend. There would have been a lot of people noticing floors and walls being torn up.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There was radioactivity, and it was measured by USGS. There was radioactivity, but mainstream media didn't tell you about it so you have been ignorant of that fact for 20+ years. You and most other Americans.

If you are curious and care to be informed, check this out.

https://avalonlibrary.net/911/PRAGER%2C%20Jeff/911%20America%20Nuked%20%28Prager%2C%20Jeff%29.pdf

There was radioactivity, and it was measured by USGS.

Did the USGS tell you that?

Thanks for the link.

It was precisely 9:59 a.m. on Tuesday, September 11th, 2001, when someone somewhere pressed a button that sent a single coded radio signal to a small receiver inside the worlds smallest and most sophisticated explosive device ever invented; a neutron bomb the size of an apple located on the 80th floor of the North Tower of the World Trade Center in the largest financial center in the world; New York City exploded.

An unseen circuit closed and a primer fired, then one-millionth of a single second later, a terrible fireball formed on the 80th floor of the Tower. The fireball was small.

Less than six inches in diameter and burning at a staggering 10 million+ degrees, the fireball was a perfect shimmering sphere, unseen, made possible by a fusion reaction between Tritium and Deuterium leading to a very short lived fission reaction. Just 6 inches across, this was the latest technology we’ve developed. Micro Nuclear Devices.

Hilarious!

 

[Soupnazi630]

There was radioactivity, and it was measured by USGS. There was radioactivity, but mainstream media didn't tell you about it so you have been ignorant of that fact for 20+ years. You and most other Americans.

If you are curious and care to be informed, check this out.

https://avalonlibrary.net/911/PRAGER%2C%20Jeff/911%20America%20Nuked%20%28Prager%2C%20Jeff%29.pdf

There was normal radiation which alays exists everywhere

There was no distinctive radiation from a nuclear device

 

[Soupnazi630]

LOL.

So what is the Skylar Theory on how 7 came down at free fall rates? Spontaneous collapse? You might cite NIST, but wait, NIST remained silent about 7. You're a comedian and you don't know it.

7 DID NOT come down at free fall speed

 

[Soupnazi630]

You offer 20+ year old propaganda and expect me to take you seriously?

Incredulity is not an argument and that is all you have

You are incapable of refuting any of the investigation