Farmers 'panic-stricken' by shortage of migrant workers

[Freewill]

I agree they should work, but are there really that many jobs that pay a livable wage? Maybe, since if a person can live on welfare then I would guess they could live on a low paid service job.

What exactly comprises a "livable wage"? What necessities should a "livable wage" provide? Are cars, laptops, TVs, VCRs, cell phones covered under this concept? Or would those needs include: adequate nourishment and housing?

Food, clothing and a place to live .

OK, that's acceptable. To what standard? (I would suggest the same standard applied to military personnel.)

The government doesn't set the standard, just like the minimum wage should be driven by the economy and it was never meant to be a livable wage, as far as I know.

Back to farmers. They need to come up with a pay that is fair and will entice people to work for them. One standard could be, welfare, another would be the average rate for rentals, and lastly clothing which if properly shopped is relatively inexpensive.

They won't, so they'll go out of business. Just like the textile industry left the US (remember when the last US Levi's factory closed?), several food sources will be imported from other nations; probably Mexico due to proximity. Sure, much of staple food farming is automated and corporate run so things like wheat and corn will still be here.


....and, of course, Soylent Green will always be fully automated.

So the answers are, effectively slavery or closing down and getting food from sources unknown.

 

[Correll]

Trump’s anti-immigration stance could result in a $60 billion food shortage

Wow, the cost of milk could go up 90%.

Utter bullshit.

 

[Correll]

Mexico ready to retaliate by hurting American corn farmers

American farmers sent $2.4 billion of corn to Mexico in 2015, the most recent year of available data. In 1995, the year after NAFTA became law, corn exports to Mexico were a mere $391 million.

Experts say such a bill would be very costly to U.S. farmers.

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Republicans won't quit until they f*ck up US Agriculture worse than they did the economy and foreign policy under Bush. You watch!

They are upset that their citizens do not have unfettered access to our labor markets?

That is not a valid complaint on their part.

It is not the act of a friend either.

FUCK THEM.

They want to play hardball, they should pick on someone more their own size.

 

[Correll]

Trump’s anti-immigration stance could result in a $60 billion food shortage

Wow, the cost of milk could go up 90%.

Do any liberals understand the difference between having a green card and illegal immigration?

Oh please. Republicans make no distinction.

I make no, or little distinction.

And I have many times clashed with more moderate republicans on the issue that DO.

You are completely wrong.

 

[Correll]

I agree they should work, but are there really that many jobs that pay a livable wage? Maybe, since if a person can live on welfare then I would guess they could live on a low paid service job.

What exactly comprises a "livable wage"? What necessities should a "livable wage" provide? Are cars, laptops, TVs, VCRs, cell phones covered under this concept? Or would those needs include: adequate nourishment and housing?

Food, clothing and a place to live .

OK, that's acceptable. To what standard? (I would suggest the same standard applied to military personnel.)

The government doesn't set the standard, just like the minimum wage should be driven by the economy and it was never meant to be a livable wage, as far as I know.

Back to farmers. They need to come up with a pay that is fair and will entice people to work for them. One standard could be, welfare, another would be the average rate for rentals, and lastly clothing which if properly shopped is relatively inexpensive.

They won't, so they'll go out of business. Just like the textile industry left the US (remember when the last US Levi's factory closed?), several food sources will be imported from other nations; probably Mexico due to proximity. Sure, much of staple food farming is automated and corporate run so things like wheat and corn will still be here.


....and, of course, Soylent Green will always be fully automated.

Either wages rise or once we get a handle on the crisis, we can set up a well enforced migrant guest worker program. Thought not with Mexico. They are assholes. FUck them.

 

[pismoe]

mexico as an enemy , yes they are . And mexicans in the USA have their hearts in 'mexico' , they cheer for mexico at ball games and they vote for mexican interests over USA interests when and if they get to Vote ib te USA .

 

[Divine Wind]

What exactly comprises a "livable wage"? What necessities should a "livable wage" provide? Are cars, laptops, TVs, VCRs, cell phones covered under this concept? Or would those needs include: adequate nourishment and housing?

Food, clothing and a place to live .

OK, that's acceptable. To what standard? (I would suggest the same standard applied to military personnel.)

The government doesn't set the standard, just like the minimum wage should be driven by the economy and it was never meant to be a livable wage, as far as I know.

Back to farmers. They need to come up with a pay that is fair and will entice people to work for them. One standard could be, welfare, another would be the average rate for rentals, and lastly clothing which if properly shopped is relatively inexpensive.

They won't, so they'll go out of business. Just like the textile industry left the US (remember when the last US Levi's factory closed?), several food sources will be imported from other nations; probably Mexico due to proximity. Sure, much of staple food farming is automated and corporate run so things like wheat and corn will still be here.


....and, of course, Soylent Green will always be fully automated.

So the answers are, effectively slavery or closing down and getting food from sources unknown.

No.

...but Soylent Green is still a good answer.

 

[Divine Wind]

mexico as an enemy , yes they are . And mexicans in the USA have their hearts in 'mexico' , they cheer for mexico at ball games and they vote for mexican interests over USA interests when and if they get to Vote ib te USA .

Are you one of those fat guys running around the border in desert camo waiting to shoot a woman and kid crossing the border?

 

[Divine Wind]

What exactly comprises a "livable wage"? What necessities should a "livable wage" provide? Are cars, laptops, TVs, VCRs, cell phones covered under this concept? Or would those needs include: adequate nourishment and housing?

Food, clothing and a place to live .

OK, that's acceptable. To what standard? (I would suggest the same standard applied to military personnel.)

The government doesn't set the standard, just like the minimum wage should be driven by the economy and it was never meant to be a livable wage, as far as I know.

Back to farmers. They need to come up with a pay that is fair and will entice people to work for them. One standard could be, welfare, another would be the average rate for rentals, and lastly clothing which if properly shopped is relatively inexpensive.

They won't, so they'll go out of business. Just like the textile industry left the US (remember when the last US Levi's factory closed?), several food sources will be imported from other nations; probably Mexico due to proximity. Sure, much of staple food farming is automated and corporate run so things like wheat and corn will still be here.


....and, of course, Soylent Green will always be fully automated.

Either wages rise or once we get a handle on the crisis, we can set up a well enforced migrant guest worker program. Thought not with Mexico. They are assholes. FUck them.

I'll be curious to see how all that works out as I'm tending my acre of produce; mostly tomatoes and hot peppers.

 

[pismoe]

here you go Humorne , here's a little info on 'jeb bush' better known as 'jebito' and his 'mexican family and connections . ------------- --- socialHeadline --- course , you probably approve but ' I ' don't Humorne .

 

[Correll]

Food, clothing and a place to live .

OK, that's acceptable. To what standard? (I would suggest the same standard applied to military personnel.)

The government doesn't set the standard, just like the minimum wage should be driven by the economy and it was never meant to be a livable wage, as far as I know.

Back to farmers. They need to come up with a pay that is fair and will entice people to work for them. One standard could be, welfare, another would be the average rate for rentals, and lastly clothing which if properly shopped is relatively inexpensive.

They won't, so they'll go out of business. Just like the textile industry left the US (remember when the last US Levi's factory closed?), several food sources will be imported from other nations; probably Mexico due to proximity. Sure, much of staple food farming is automated and corporate run so things like wheat and corn will still be here.


....and, of course, Soylent Green will always be fully automated.

Either wages rise or once we get a handle on the crisis, we can set up a well enforced migrant guest worker program. Thought not with Mexico. They are assholes. FUck them.

I'll be curious to see how all that works out as I'm tending my acre of produce; mostly tomatoes and hot peppers.

I imagine that wages will rise.

 

[deanrd]

OK, that's acceptable. To what standard? (I would suggest the same standard applied to military personnel.)

The government doesn't set the standard, just like the minimum wage should be driven by the economy and it was never meant to be a livable wage, as far as I know.

Back to farmers. They need to come up with a pay that is fair and will entice people to work for them. One standard could be, welfare, another would be the average rate for rentals, and lastly clothing which if properly shopped is relatively inexpensive.

They won't, so they'll go out of business. Just like the textile industry left the US (remember when the last US Levi's factory closed?), several food sources will be imported from other nations; probably Mexico due to proximity. Sure, much of staple food farming is automated and corporate run so things like wheat and corn will still be here.


....and, of course, Soylent Green will always be fully automated.

Either wages rise or once we get a handle on the crisis, we can set up a well enforced migrant guest worker program. Thought not with Mexico. They are assholes. FUck them.

I'll be curious to see how all that works out as I'm tending my acre of produce; mostly tomatoes and hot peppers.

I imagine that wages will rise.

Probably not. If there aren't any workers, then who gets paid?
Only the cost of food will go up. Just as the GOP cuts food stamp for poor children and veterans.
Some mean and detestable SOB's.

 

[deanrd]

Trump’s anti-immigration stance could result in a $60 billion food shortage

Wow, the cost of milk could go up 90%.

Utter bullshit.

Not really. It's supply and demand. If the demand stays hi and the supply goes down, the price goes up. 101.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Farmers 'panic-stricken' by shortage of migrant workers United Press International

'We're too late -- it's done for us,' Jerry Adrian, 63, a cherry grower in Benton City, Wash., said Wednesday. Forty tons of his crop will rot on the trees for a loss of $40,000, he said.

Ed Kane, a cherry and apple grower in Wenatchee, Wash., said, 'I'm really damn well scared.'

Farm officials in the Northwest said a shortage of more than 16,000 workers will threaten strawberry and cherry crops in the next two weeks, and may damage the fall apple harvest.

California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers

As for his promises about cracking down on illegal immigrants, many assumed Mr. Trump’s pledges were mostly just talk. But two weeks into his administration, Mr. Trump has signed executive orders that have upended the country’s immigration laws.

With 6.5 million people living in the valley, the fields in this state bring in $35 billion a year and provide more of the nation’s food than any other state.

https://www.usnews.com/news/busines...ker-shortage-farmers-push-back-on-immigration

As 18 Guatemalans in hoodies and rubber boots toiled in such conditions recently in Oregon's Willamette Valley, their boss expressed admiration for their willingness to do the back-breaking work he said native-born Americans won't do.

"Homeless people are camped in the fir forest over there," the farmer said, pointing to a stand of trees. "And they're not looking for work."

"I don't trust that temps off the street, or jailhouse labor, or whatever alternative they come up with would work," she said.
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Republicans are dreaming if they think guys like this:



Will replace guys like that.

The problem with Republicans is they believe "If we do this, that will happen". Only it NEVER happens the way they plan. Never. Why? Because they don't believe in study and data and understanding.

Look at Iraq and the "freedom agenda".
Look at the deficit creating Bush Tax cuts.
Look at their nonsensical approach to coal.

Maybe they should have used the H2A visa and brought in the workers they needed. Instead they cry because of their own stupidity. SMFH

 

[Manonthestreet]

The government doesn't set the standard, just like the minimum wage should be driven by the economy and it was never meant to be a livable wage, as far as I know.

Back to farmers. They need to come up with a pay that is fair and will entice people to work for them. One standard could be, welfare, another would be the average rate for rentals, and lastly clothing which if properly shopped is relatively inexpensive.

They won't, so they'll go out of business. Just like the textile industry left the US (remember when the last US Levi's factory closed?), several food sources will be imported from other nations; probably Mexico due to proximity. Sure, much of staple food farming is automated and corporate run so things like wheat and corn will still be here.


....and, of course, Soylent Green will always be fully automated.

Either wages rise or once we get a handle on the crisis, we can set up a well enforced migrant guest worker program. Thought not with Mexico. They are assholes. FUck them.

I'll be curious to see how all that works out as I'm tending my acre of produce; mostly tomatoes and hot peppers.

I imagine that wages will rise.

Probably not. If there aren't any workers, then who gets paid?
Only the cost of food will go up. Just as the GOP cuts food stamp for poor children and veterans.
Some mean and detestable SOB's.

Funny Bar Harbor Maine did the same whine and then miraculously found whites to do the jobs with more flexible schedules and better pay.......and if your business model requires lawlessness it should be put out of business

 

[Liquid Reigns]

That's awful!
After we boot the illegal aliens, maybe we can start a temporary farm worker program?
Work, earn, return home.

Its called the H2A visa and has NO annual cap limit.

 

[Correll]

The government doesn't set the standard, just like the minimum wage should be driven by the economy and it was never meant to be a livable wage, as far as I know.

Back to farmers. They need to come up with a pay that is fair and will entice people to work for them. One standard could be, welfare, another would be the average rate for rentals, and lastly clothing which if properly shopped is relatively inexpensive.

They won't, so they'll go out of business. Just like the textile industry left the US (remember when the last US Levi's factory closed?), several food sources will be imported from other nations; probably Mexico due to proximity. Sure, much of staple food farming is automated and corporate run so things like wheat and corn will still be here.


....and, of course, Soylent Green will always be fully automated.

Either wages rise or once we get a handle on the crisis, we can set up a well enforced migrant guest worker program. Thought not with Mexico. They are assholes. FUck them.

I'll be curious to see how all that works out as I'm tending my acre of produce; mostly tomatoes and hot peppers.

I imagine that wages will rise.

Probably not. If there aren't any workers, then who gets paid?
Only the cost of food will go up. Just as the GOP cuts food stamp for poor children and veterans.
Some mean and detestable SOB's.

If the wages rise, there will be workers.

 

[Correll]

Trump’s anti-immigration stance could result in a $60 billion food shortage

Wow, the cost of milk could go up 90%.

Utter bullshit.

Not really. It's supply and demand. If the demand stays hi and the supply goes down, the price goes up. 101.

If the price rises HALF that much, demand will drop dramatically and supply will increase dramatically.

 

[Divine Wind]

They won't, so they'll go out of business. Just like the textile industry left the US (remember when the last US Levi's factory closed?), several food sources will be imported from other nations; probably Mexico due to proximity. Sure, much of staple food farming is automated and corporate run so things like wheat and corn will still be here.


....and, of course, Soylent Green will always be fully automated.

Either wages rise or once we get a handle on the crisis, we can set up a well enforced migrant guest worker program. Thought not with Mexico. They are assholes. FUck them.

I'll be curious to see how all that works out as I'm tending my acre of produce; mostly tomatoes and hot peppers.

I imagine that wages will rise.

Probably not. If there aren't any workers, then who gets paid?
Only the cost of food will go up. Just as the GOP cuts food stamp for poor children and veterans.
Some mean and detestable SOB's.

If the wages rise, there will be workers.

While I agree, consider that businessmen will do what makes them the most money.

Let's say you and I are the CEO's of two different agricultural corporations. You choose to raise wages to $30K/year for each lettuce picker ($14.43/hour @40hour/week) and then raise prices on lettuce to pass the extra costs to consumers while maintaining your corporate bottom line and Christmas bonus. I, OTOH, choose to start selling off my corporate lettuce farmland (while retaining wheat and corn fields) for condos and import lettuce, for a smaller rise in cost due to lower labor costs, and, like you, pass the extra costs onto the consumer albeit still sell the lettuce at a cheaper price than you. All I have to do to undercut you and put your out of business is to consistently sell my lettuce for five to ten cents less than you. Your lettuce will rot on the shelves and I'll be buying a second coastal vacation home.

 

[Divine Wind]

Trump’s anti-immigration stance could result in a $60 billion food shortage

Wow, the cost of milk could go up 90%.

Utter bullshit.

Not really. It's supply and demand. If the demand stays hi and the supply goes down, the price goes up. 101.

If the price rises HALF that much, demand will drop dramatically and supply will increase dramatically.

Agreed, which is why importers will clean up and domestic producers will go bankrupt.