Big Tech’s H1B Arguments Aren’t Just FALSE… They’re Also Immoral.

Trump's position has been more pro-US manufacturing and US jobs, than any US President at least since Reagan, and possibly in all of my lifetime.

I am not interested in having the discussion with a leftist ideologue. Move along.

You:

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Big Tech’s H1B Arguments Aren’t Just FALSE… They’re Also Immoral.

27 Dec 2024 ~~ By William Upton

A fierce debate has broken out between President-elect Donald J. Trump’s very recent tech industry supporters and his long-standing America First base. At the core of the disagreement is the subject of legal immigration—specifically, how Trump should handle so-called “high-skilled” foreign worker programs like the H1B visa.
One of the staunchest proponents of expanding the labor pool in this way is billionaire Elon Musk. In a Christmas Day post on X, Musk exclaimed America needs more than double the 160,000 semiconductor industry engineers said to be required by 2032.

Additionally, Musk-allies and newly-named artificial intelligence (AI) advisors to President-elect Trump, David Sacks, and Sriram Krishnan, have both emerged as loud advocates for more legal immigration, expanding the high-skilled labor supply through changes to the H1B visa lottery.

A FLAWED MORALITY.

While bringing allegedly top talent from around the world to the United States sounds good on its face, this isn’t actually what H1B visas do.
The O-1 visa is actually the program used to grant legal work status to a foreign nation in the United States that is considered a ‘once-in-a-generation’ intellectual talent in a critical industrial sector.
H1B visas apply more to workers with skills that native-born Americans can easily learn through technical training programs or even collegiate classes. Think more programmer or mid-level software engineer than someone trained in semiconductor fabrication.
~Snip~

…AND A COMPLETE SCAM.

Little data actually supports the tech industry’s claims of a worker shortage and a need to end H1B country caps. The data does suggest, however, that big tech is replacing qualified and capable American workers with cheaper foreign labor.
Between 2022 and 2024, Amazon laid off nearly 30,000 high-skilled workers. In the same period—though in compliance with federal law regarding when companies can request H1B visa workers—the online retail giant expanded its workforce by nearly 100,000 foreign workers.
~Snip~
Despite the layoffs, Amazon asked the federal government for a total allotment of 125,000 new H1B visa workers between 2022 and 2024, while they requested to retain around 90,000.
Similar trends are true for Google and Microsoft. Between 2022 and 2024, nearly 60,000 American workers were laid off among the three companies, while the companies increased their H1B employees by over 340 percent.

IS THERE A LABOR SHORTAGE?

Ultimately, the entire need for H1B workers is predicated on a supposed domestic worker shortage. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the current native-born American labor force participation is around 63 percent. Meanwhile the foreign-born labor force participation is a stunning 68 percent.
Importantly, per the Wall Street Journal: “…census data show immigrants who arrived since the start of 2020 are more than twice as likely to lack a high-school diploma as U.S.-born workers.”
In January 2007, the overall American labor force participation rate was around 66 percent, but has declined to 62.5 percent. When you examine the data overall, there is a strong suggestion that the high labor force participation among foreign-born workers is actually the cause of the lower rate of participation among native-born workers, pricing them out of the job market through downward pressure on wages.
Additionally, even the big tech companies’ own annual reports suggest they’re not suffering from any significant shortage in skilled labor. Elon Musk’s own Tesla slashed 14 percent of its workforce in 2024. Generally, a company struggling with fulfilling its labor needs might see a small need to cut workers if it cannot hire to keep up with demand, but far more common is the company hiring instead of laying off workers at all. You certainly wouldn’t see around a fifth of a corporation’s labor force being laid off amid a worker shortage.
In November of 2023, tech-giant Apple was sanctioned $25 million in fines and back pay due to American workers who were discriminated against in hiring—with the company essentially rigging its recruitment process in favor of foreign workers.
Conclusively, there are excellent arguments for a more fierce O1B recruiting policy, but the idea of expanding H1B visas for foreign workers should be a total non-starter for MAGA. Not only are the arguments for it untrue, but creating more competition for American workers is not even close to the ‘America First’ philosophy.

Commentary:
Excellent Article by Upton. Seems there are many young guys with IT degrees that can’t get an IT job and they end up in sales or service. Some companies stand up multiple departments with H1B people from India that can barely speak English. Sad fact these companies don’t care to train our youth.
These "indentured servants" take the jobs of American graduates, blocking their entry into their chosen field. While the H1-B Program is technically not an immigration program, they never leave. Having blocked Americans from the entry level jobs, they go on to fill the mid and upper level jobs as well. We have to break this cycle.
The cost of an H1-B Technician (to an employer) should be to pay for the education of an American, and to hire that graduate, as the H1-B is returned to their home country.
Is the answer in the elimination of the H1-B Program, or companies training those young Americans into our workforce.
Like all government Programs, the H1B program serves a need in the US. The problem is not the program.
The problem is that Deep State and corporations have abused and are continuing to abuse the program.
We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Raheem -parents being 100% LEGAL immigrants- would know.
 
Trump's position has been more pro-US manufacturing and US jobs, than any US President at least since Reagan, and possibly in all of my lifetime.

I am not interested in having the discussion with a leftist ideologue. Move along.
Then where is Trump's forty billion investment in semiconductor production in the US?
Biden has his.
 
Then where is Trump's forty billion investment in semiconductor production in the US?
Biden has his.
Yes, it's true that Biden gave billions of taxpayer dollars to Texas Instruments and Intel. Obama did that too, with Solyndra and A123.

Hasn't turned into any jobs, but if you give me billions of dollars to build a plant, I will build one too.

News Flash: If you have to pump in hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars into a venture to make it happen, it's because private capital does not think it's viable to begin with...

I'm sure Biden got his cut, so it's all good. :icon_rolleyes:
 
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Big Tech’s H1B Arguments Aren’t Just FALSE… They’re Also Immoral.

27 Dec 2024 ~~ By William Upton

A fierce debate has broken out between President-elect Donald J. Trump’s very recent tech industry supporters and his long-standing America First base. At the core of the disagreement is the subject of legal immigration—specifically, how Trump should handle so-called “high-skilled” foreign worker programs like the H1B visa.
One of the staunchest proponents of expanding the labor pool in this way is billionaire Elon Musk. In a Christmas Day post on X, Musk exclaimed America needs more than double the 160,000 semiconductor industry engineers said to be required by 2032.

Additionally, Musk-allies and newly-named artificial intelligence (AI) advisors to President-elect Trump, David Sacks, and Sriram Krishnan, have both emerged as loud advocates for more legal immigration, expanding the high-skilled labor supply through changes to the H1B visa lottery.

A FLAWED MORALITY.

While bringing allegedly top talent from around the world to the United States sounds good on its face, this isn’t actually what H1B visas do.
The O-1 visa is actually the program used to grant legal work status to a foreign nation in the United States that is considered a ‘once-in-a-generation’ intellectual talent in a critical industrial sector.
H1B visas apply more to workers with skills that native-born Americans can easily learn through technical training programs or even collegiate classes. Think more programmer or mid-level software engineer than someone trained in semiconductor fabrication.
~Snip~

…AND A COMPLETE SCAM.

Little data actually supports the tech industry’s claims of a worker shortage and a need to end H1B country caps. The data does suggest, however, that big tech is replacing qualified and capable American workers with cheaper foreign labor.
Between 2022 and 2024, Amazon laid off nearly 30,000 high-skilled workers. In the same period—though in compliance with federal law regarding when companies can request H1B visa workers—the online retail giant expanded its workforce by nearly 100,000 foreign workers.
~Snip~
Despite the layoffs, Amazon asked the federal government for a total allotment of 125,000 new H1B visa workers between 2022 and 2024, while they requested to retain around 90,000.
Similar trends are true for Google and Microsoft. Between 2022 and 2024, nearly 60,000 American workers were laid off among the three companies, while the companies increased their H1B employees by over 340 percent.

IS THERE A LABOR SHORTAGE?

Ultimately, the entire need for H1B workers is predicated on a supposed domestic worker shortage. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the current native-born American labor force participation is around 63 percent. Meanwhile the foreign-born labor force participation is a stunning 68 percent.
Importantly, per the Wall Street Journal: “…census data show immigrants who arrived since the start of 2020 are more than twice as likely to lack a high-school diploma as U.S.-born workers.”
In January 2007, the overall American labor force participation rate was around 66 percent, but has declined to 62.5 percent. When you examine the data overall, there is a strong suggestion that the high labor force participation among foreign-born workers is actually the cause of the lower rate of participation among native-born workers, pricing them out of the job market through downward pressure on wages.
Additionally, even the big tech companies’ own annual reports suggest they’re not suffering from any significant shortage in skilled labor. Elon Musk’s own Tesla slashed 14 percent of its workforce in 2024. Generally, a company struggling with fulfilling its labor needs might see a small need to cut workers if it cannot hire to keep up with demand, but far more common is the company hiring instead of laying off workers at all. You certainly wouldn’t see around a fifth of a corporation’s labor force being laid off amid a worker shortage.
In November of 2023, tech-giant Apple was sanctioned $25 million in fines and back pay due to American workers who were discriminated against in hiring—with the company essentially rigging its recruitment process in favor of foreign workers.
Conclusively, there are excellent arguments for a more fierce O1B recruiting policy, but the idea of expanding H1B visas for foreign workers should be a total non-starter for MAGA. Not only are the arguments for it untrue, but creating more competition for American workers is not even close to the ‘America First’ philosophy.

Commentary:
Excellent Article by Upton. Seems there are many young guys with IT degrees that can’t get an IT job and they end up in sales or service. Some companies stand up multiple departments with H1B people from India that can barely speak English. Sad fact these companies don’t care to train our youth.
These "indentured servants" take the jobs of American graduates, blocking their entry into their chosen field. While the H1-B Program is technically not an immigration program, they never leave. Having blocked Americans from the entry level jobs, they go on to fill the mid and upper level jobs as well. We have to break this cycle.
The cost of an H1-B Technician (to an employer) should be to pay for the education of an American, and to hire that graduate, as the H1-B is returned to their home country.
Is the answer in the elimination of the H1-B Program, or companies training those young Americans into our workforce.
Like all government Programs, the H1B program serves a need in the US. The problem is not the program.
The problem is that Deep State and corporations have abused and are continuing to abuse the program.
We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.


Wrong.
We have a massive worker shortage.
Why do you think everything if outsourced offshore?
Apple makes its products in China, not the US.

Then look at Social Security if you need more proof.
There are not enough workers to keep it solvent.

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Then where is Trump's forty billion investment in semiconductor production in the US?
Biden has his.

That is the point, Biden failed the US industry completely.
For example, we need more engineers and the tuition now is too expensive.
We should have capped the land grand universities from raising tuition so high.
We allowed solar, chip making, and everything else to be outsourced and not tariffed.
 

Big Tech’s H1B Arguments Aren’t Just FALSE… They’re Also Immoral.

27 Dec 2024 ~~ By William Upton

A fierce debate has broken out between President-elect Donald J. Trump’s very recent tech industry supporters and his long-standing America First base. At the core of the disagreement is the subject of legal immigration—specifically, how Trump should handle so-called “high-skilled” foreign worker programs like the H1B visa.
One of the staunchest proponents of expanding the labor pool in this way is billionaire Elon Musk. In a Christmas Day post on X, Musk exclaimed America needs more than double the 160,000 semiconductor industry engineers said to be required by 2032.

Additionally, Musk-allies and newly-named artificial intelligence (AI) advisors to President-elect Trump, David Sacks, and Sriram Krishnan, have both emerged as loud advocates for more legal immigration, expanding the high-skilled labor supply through changes to the H1B visa lottery.

A FLAWED MORALITY.

While bringing allegedly top talent from around the world to the United States sounds good on its face, this isn’t actually what H1B visas do.
The O-1 visa is actually the program used to grant legal work status to a foreign nation in the United States that is considered a ‘once-in-a-generation’ intellectual talent in a critical industrial sector.
H1B visas apply more to workers with skills that native-born Americans can easily learn through technical training programs or even collegiate classes. Think more programmer or mid-level software engineer than someone trained in semiconductor fabrication.
~Snip~

…AND A COMPLETE SCAM.

Little data actually supports the tech industry’s claims of a worker shortage and a need to end H1B country caps. The data does suggest, however, that big tech is replacing qualified and capable American workers with cheaper foreign labor.
Between 2022 and 2024, Amazon laid off nearly 30,000 high-skilled workers. In the same period—though in compliance with federal law regarding when companies can request H1B visa workers—the online retail giant expanded its workforce by nearly 100,000 foreign workers.
~Snip~
Despite the layoffs, Amazon asked the federal government for a total allotment of 125,000 new H1B visa workers between 2022 and 2024, while they requested to retain around 90,000.
Similar trends are true for Google and Microsoft. Between 2022 and 2024, nearly 60,000 American workers were laid off among the three companies, while the companies increased their H1B employees by over 340 percent.

IS THERE A LABOR SHORTAGE?

Ultimately, the entire need for H1B workers is predicated on a supposed domestic worker shortage. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the current native-born American labor force participation is around 63 percent. Meanwhile the foreign-born labor force participation is a stunning 68 percent.
Importantly, per the Wall Street Journal: “…census data show immigrants who arrived since the start of 2020 are more than twice as likely to lack a high-school diploma as U.S.-born workers.”
In January 2007, the overall American labor force participation rate was around 66 percent, but has declined to 62.5 percent. When you examine the data overall, there is a strong suggestion that the high labor force participation among foreign-born workers is actually the cause of the lower rate of participation among native-born workers, pricing them out of the job market through downward pressure on wages.
Additionally, even the big tech companies’ own annual reports suggest they’re not suffering from any significant shortage in skilled labor. Elon Musk’s own Tesla slashed 14 percent of its workforce in 2024. Generally, a company struggling with fulfilling its labor needs might see a small need to cut workers if it cannot hire to keep up with demand, but far more common is the company hiring instead of laying off workers at all. You certainly wouldn’t see around a fifth of a corporation’s labor force being laid off amid a worker shortage.
In November of 2023, tech-giant Apple was sanctioned $25 million in fines and back pay due to American workers who were discriminated against in hiring—with the company essentially rigging its recruitment process in favor of foreign workers.
Conclusively, there are excellent arguments for a more fierce O1B recruiting policy, but the idea of expanding H1B visas for foreign workers should be a total non-starter for MAGA. Not only are the arguments for it untrue, but creating more competition for American workers is not even close to the ‘America First’ philosophy.

Commentary:
Excellent Article by Upton. Seems there are many young guys with IT degrees that can’t get an IT job and they end up in sales or service. Some companies stand up multiple departments with H1B people from India that can barely speak English. Sad fact these companies don’t care to train our youth.
These "indentured servants" take the jobs of American graduates, blocking their entry into their chosen field. While the H1-B Program is technically not an immigration program, they never leave. Having blocked Americans from the entry level jobs, they go on to fill the mid and upper level jobs as well. We have to break this cycle.
The cost of an H1-B Technician (to an employer) should be to pay for the education of an American, and to hire that graduate, as the H1-B is returned to their home country.
Is the answer in the elimination of the H1-B Program, or companies training those young Americans into our workforce.
Like all government Programs, the H1B program serves a need in the US. The problem is not the program.
The problem is that Deep State and corporations have abused and are continuing to abuse the program.
We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

The H1B’s work for less than Americans

And thats why many if not most of them are here
 
I'm sure they do. But they aren't hypocrites about it.

So they stir up the immigrant hate for white trash losers like you to blame your failed and disappointing lives on, while they make big bucks hiring them instead of you.

But the concept goes right over your head.



Look, man, we all get that you weren't smart enough to get into college.

Why do you hate white people?
 
Yes, it's true that Biden gave billions of taxpayer dollars to Texas Instruments and Intel. Obama did that too, with Solyndra and A123.

Hasn't turned into any jobs, but if you give me billions of dollars to build a plant, I will build one too.

News Flash: If you have to pump in hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars into a venture to make it happen, it's because private capital does not think it's viable to begin with...

I'm sure Biden got his cut, so it's all good. :icon_rolleyes:
Electrification was done by the government because no entity would pay for the infrastructure of the rural areas.samw for rail roads and now it is investment from the 2005 Energy Policy Act of 2005 and every president since then has done it , except Trump the loser.
 
That is the point, Biden failed the US industry completely.
For example, we need more engineers and the tuition now is too expensive.
We should have capped the land grand universities from raising tuition so high.
We allowed solar, chip making, and everything else to be outsourced and not tariffed.
When I got my degree in engineering it was not free. Yet most companies did not want a white man that is a citizen to work for them. We don't control what an industry does so we did not force them to prefer labor imports. Just like now the huge influx of immigrants the last decade have all been allowed here for the industry to exploit.
 
Because a lot of them are stupid. They keep voting for people who fuck them economically because they can't get over their racial, religious and sexual fears.

I guess every racist like you has their reasons. :laughing0301:
 
The H1B’s work for less than Americans

And thats why many if not most of them are here
This Brain Cancer Must Be Replaced With Highly Paid Professional Training

The salary-gougers' one reasonable point begs the question. Our Eweniversities don't produce enough STEM graduates for our economic needs.

But the Insourcers blame lazy students. College is work without pay and prevents a student from getting a full-time job. How is refusing to put up with that "laziness"?
 

Big Tech’s H1B Arguments Aren’t Just FALSE… They’re Also Immoral.

27 Dec 2024 ~~ By William Upton

A fierce debate has broken out between President-elect Donald J. Trump’s very recent tech industry supporters and his long-standing America First base. At the core of the disagreement is the subject of legal immigration—specifically, how Trump should handle so-called “high-skilled” foreign worker programs like the H1B visa.
One of the staunchest proponents of expanding the labor pool in this way is billionaire Elon Musk. In a Christmas Day post on X, Musk exclaimed America needs more than double the 160,000 semiconductor industry engineers said to be required by 2032.

Additionally, Musk-allies and newly-named artificial intelligence (AI) advisors to President-elect Trump, David Sacks, and Sriram Krishnan, have both emerged as loud advocates for more legal immigration, expanding the high-skilled labor supply through changes to the H1B visa lottery.

A FLAWED MORALITY.

While bringing allegedly top talent from around the world to the United States sounds good on its face, this isn’t actually what H1B visas do.
The O-1 visa is actually the program used to grant legal work status to a foreign nation in the United States that is considered a ‘once-in-a-generation’ intellectual talent in a critical industrial sector.
H1B visas apply more to workers with skills that native-born Americans can easily learn through technical training programs or even collegiate classes. Think more programmer or mid-level software engineer than someone trained in semiconductor fabrication.
~Snip~

…AND A COMPLETE SCAM.

Little data actually supports the tech industry’s claims of a worker shortage and a need to end H1B country caps. The data does suggest, however, that big tech is replacing qualified and capable American workers with cheaper foreign labor.
Between 2022 and 2024, Amazon laid off nearly 30,000 high-skilled workers. In the same period—though in compliance with federal law regarding when companies can request H1B visa workers—the online retail giant expanded its workforce by nearly 100,000 foreign workers.
~Snip~
Despite the layoffs, Amazon asked the federal government for a total allotment of 125,000 new H1B visa workers between 2022 and 2024, while they requested to retain around 90,000.
Similar trends are true for Google and Microsoft. Between 2022 and 2024, nearly 60,000 American workers were laid off among the three companies, while the companies increased their H1B employees by over 340 percent.

IS THERE A LABOR SHORTAGE?

Ultimately, the entire need for H1B workers is predicated on a supposed domestic worker shortage. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the current native-born American labor force participation is around 63 percent. Meanwhile the foreign-born labor force participation is a stunning 68 percent.
Importantly, per the Wall Street Journal: “…census data show immigrants who arrived since the start of 2020 are more than twice as likely to lack a high-school diploma as U.S.-born workers.”
In January 2007, the overall American labor force participation rate was around 66 percent, but has declined to 62.5 percent. When you examine the data overall, there is a strong suggestion that the high labor force participation among foreign-born workers is actually the cause of the lower rate of participation among native-born workers, pricing them out of the job market through downward pressure on wages.
Additionally, even the big tech companies’ own annual reports suggest they’re not suffering from any significant shortage in skilled labor. Elon Musk’s own Tesla slashed 14 percent of its workforce in 2024. Generally, a company struggling with fulfilling its labor needs might see a small need to cut workers if it cannot hire to keep up with demand, but far more common is the company hiring instead of laying off workers at all. You certainly wouldn’t see around a fifth of a corporation’s labor force being laid off amid a worker shortage.
In November of 2023, tech-giant Apple was sanctioned $25 million in fines and back pay due to American workers who were discriminated against in hiring—with the company essentially rigging its recruitment process in favor of foreign workers.
Conclusively, there are excellent arguments for a more fierce O1B recruiting policy, but the idea of expanding H1B visas for foreign workers should be a total non-starter for MAGA. Not only are the arguments for it untrue, but creating more competition for American workers is not even close to the ‘America First’ philosophy.

Commentary:
Excellent Article by Upton. Seems there are many young guys with IT degrees that can’t get an IT job and they end up in sales or service. Some companies stand up multiple departments with H1B people from India that can barely speak English. Sad fact these companies don’t care to train our youth.
These "indentured servants" take the jobs of American graduates, blocking their entry into their chosen field. While the H1-B Program is technically not an immigration program, they never leave. Having blocked Americans from the entry level jobs, they go on to fill the mid and upper level jobs as well. We have to break this cycle.
The cost of an H1-B Technician (to an employer) should be to pay for the education of an American, and to hire that graduate, as the H1-B is returned to their home country.
Is the answer in the elimination of the H1-B Program, or companies training those young Americans into our workforce.
Like all government Programs, the H1B program serves a need in the US. The problem is not the program.
The problem is that Deep State and corporations have abused and are continuing to abuse the program.
We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.


 

One of the huge appeals to these tech firms of H1B is that the employee is trapped and cannot seek another job. This means that they can exploit these workers and have no fear that the worker will look for a better job.

It favors the companies, Microsoft (3,500 H1Bs), Google (5,500 H1Bs) and all the rest benefit from H1B in this way, if they hired an American worker they'd lose that leverage, it's nothing to do with "skilled" workers at all (except in a few cases)

The rules used to be that a job had to be advertised for several months to prove that there were no takers, I have no idea if that's still the case, I was on a H1B in 2000.
 

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