Failed by US Healthcare

[Mindful]

Who are you to say who's a moron?

Well, you keep getting on here saying stupid shit... so you are, obviously. You even keep saying it when proven wrong.

I don't think it's stupid shit.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't think it's stupid shit.

Yeah, I know you don't think it is, but it is.

To recap. You claimed that American Health care is superior to European Socialist health care because all these rich people are coming here for treatments Americans can get because their insurance won't spring for it.

That's really not a superior system. I mean, yeah, it's great for a rich person... but not for the average American.

MEANWHILE, hundreds of thousands of Americans with shitty insurance are crossing down into Mexico to get cut rate treatments they can't afford because they either have no insurance, or their deductables are too high, or their insurance companies find other ways to cheat them after they've gotten their money.

This system is severely broken. Unless you are rich.

 

[Grumblenuts]

It went just fine... until the Russians stole it.

No, they really didn't.

 

[Mindful]

I don't think it's stupid shit.

Yeah, I know you don't think it is, but it is.

To recap. You claimed that American Health care is superior to European Socialist health care because all these rich people are coming here for treatments Americans can get because their insurance won't spring for it.

That's really not a superior system. I mean, yeah, it's great for a rich person... but not for the average American.

MEANWHILE, hundreds of thousands of Americans with shitty insurance are crossing down into Mexico to get cut rate treatments they can't afford because they either have no insurance, or their deductables are too high, or their insurance companies find other ways to cheat them after they've gotten their money.

This system is severely broken. Unless you are rich.

I never said ANY of that.

 

[dblack]

Lots of deflection on this thread.

Let me pose a question.

Shouldnt you have a system in place where you can be sick without needing charity ?

Sure. Should it be mandated by government and funded via coercive taxation. No.

 

[Blues Man]

Do have a memory problem?

I haven't voted for a republican in 20 years. I don't care if gay people get married or adopt kids, I don't really believe in God, and the only racist asshole I see in this thread is you.

And you chose to work for a shitty company and you're still whining about it how many years later?

Grow the fuck up and get over it

Hey, guy, given how bad the GOP fucks everything up, I see why you'd be embarrassed about supporting them, yet you shill for their positions here every day..

They're all shitty companies. If they weren't, they wouldn't have to pay us to be there. I'm fine with that.

What I'm not fine with... them having as much say in our well-being as they do.

And what positions are those?

Gay marriage? Oh yeah IDGAF if gays get married

Abortion? IDAGF about women getting abortions

Iraq/Afghanistan? Didn't think we should be there

So tell me what positions am I "shilling for"?

And I haven't worked for anyone since I was in my 20's but funny how I always manged to pay for my health insurance.

FAce it you are just a 5 year old whiner in an adult body

 

[dblack]

We don't do equal rights in this country. Your "rights" depend on how much lobbying clout you can muster.

That's the sad reality for the most part. Not the ideal.

It's inevitable with the kind of "rights" you're promoting. The concept of equal rights only works with the kind of rights liberals like to call "negative" right (ie actual liberties, freedoms). When we try to declare goods and services to be "rights" as well, it's necessary for the government to parse them out unequally by "need".

It wouldn't make sense, for example, for everyone to receive exactly the same amount of health care services. Everyone has different needs. So this puts the government in charge of deciding how to distribute he limited health care resources - unequally. And that decision will be, like every decision of government, a political one. The interest groups with the most lobbying clout will get the most attention. And those with little or now political power will be ignored.

Liberals think they'll be achieving a good thing by making it so that money isn't the deciding factor on what kind of health care a person gets. But all they're doing is swapping it out for political influence instead. Our health care will depend on politics rather than finances. I don't call that a win, especially with the utterly fucked up state of our politics.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

We don't do equal rights in this country. Your "rights" depend on how much lobbying clout you can muster.

That's the sad reality for the most part. Not the ideal.

It's inevitable with the kind of "rights" you're promoting. The concept of equal rights only works with the kind of rights liberals like to call "negative" right (ie actual liberties, freedoms). When we try to declare goods and services to be "rights" as well, it's necessary for the government to parse them out by "need".

It wouldn't make sense, for example, for everyone to receive exactly the same amount of health care services. Everyone has different needs. So this puts the government in charge of deciding how to distribute he limited health care resources - unequally. And that decision will be, like every decision of government, a political one. The interest groups with the most lobbying clout will get the most attention. And those with little or now political power will be ignored.

Liberals think they'll be achieving a good thing by making it so that money isn't the deciding factor on what kind of health care a person gets. But all they're doing is swapping it out for political influence instead. Our health care will depend on politics rather than finances. I don't call that a win, especially with the utterly fucked up state of our politics.

You are creating bogus scenarios to deflect from a reality that is inhumane.

 

[dblack]

That's just Really? How'd that go last time? If you're relying on an election to get your way, your "say" is approximately 1 in 100,000,000. If you make your own decisions, and aren't relying on government to make them for you, your vote is the only one that matters.

It went just fine... until the Russians stole it.

And you think that's never going to happen again??? I don't want my health care to depend on the Russians.

If they've taken your money and provided you with nothing, sue them. I mean, that's not really what we're talking about here, but if your complaint is that insurance companies are committing fraud, I'm right there with you. Lock 'em up.

Are you some kind of fucking retard?

(Giving up already? You were doing so well. Okay, let's do insults! )

Are you some kind of fucking retard?

No. That must be why we have such a hard time communicating! (rim shot, your turn....)

Dr. Trump will see you now.

Yeah, you know what, Trump sucks up for votes just like the rest of them. That's why he hasn't disbanded O-care as much as he rants about it. What does that tell you?

It tells me that he, and most especially the Republicans in Congress, want control of health care every bit as much as the Democrats.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

People die waiting for their freed healthcare in England. 90 people per day
Shocking NHS figures reveal 90 people die each day waiting for social care

 

[dblack]

You are creating bogus scenarios to deflect from a reality that is inhumane.

If we nationalize health care, or even just health insurance, it will be a political football every. single. election. "Scare the seniors" will be a quaint memory. It will pale in the face of each party holding our health care for hostage. Each party will be shuffling promises to interest groups, targeting political enemies, and scaring sick people with claims that the other side is going to take away this or that.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You are creating bogus scenarios to deflect from a reality that is inhumane.

If we nationalize health care, or even just health insurance, it will be a political football every. single. election. "Scare the seniors" will be a quaint memory. It will pale in the face of each party holding our health care for hostage. Each party will be shuffling promises to interest groups, targeting political enemies, and scaring sick people with claims that the other side is going to take away this or that.

But the status quo sees people die. That cant be right.

 

[dblack]

You are creating bogus scenarios to deflect from a reality that is inhumane.

If we nationalize health care, or even just health insurance, it will be a political football every. single. election. "Scare the seniors" will be a quaint memory. It will pale in the face of each party holding our health care for hostage. Each party will be shuffling promises to interest groups, targeting political enemies, and scaring sick people with claims that the other side is going to take away this or that.

But the status quo sees people die. That cant be right.

While I agree that there's much wrong with the status quo, people dying is par for the course. The death rate has stayed pretty consistent through history. One per person.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You are creating bogus scenarios to deflect from a reality that is inhumane.

If we nationalize health care, or even just health insurance, it will be a political football every. single. election. "Scare the seniors" will be a quaint memory. It will pale in the face of each party holding our health care for hostage. Each party will be shuffling promises to interest groups, targeting political enemies, and scaring sick people with claims that the other side is going to take away this or that.

But the status quo sees people die. That cant be right.

While I agree that there's much wrong with the status quo, people dying is par for the course. The death rate has stayed pretty consistent through history. One per person.

Its not perfect over here but our life expectancy is better than yours, even Lebanon is better than yours.

 

[Blues Man]

You are creating bogus scenarios to deflect from a reality that is inhumane.

If we nationalize health care, or even just health insurance, it will be a political football every. single. election. "Scare the seniors" will be a quaint memory. It will pale in the face of each party holding our health care for hostage. Each party will be shuffling promises to interest groups, targeting political enemies, and scaring sick people with claims that the other side is going to take away this or that.

But the status quo sees people die. That cant be right.

And people don't die in the UK?

Tend to your own yard

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

You are creating bogus scenarios to deflect from a reality that is inhumane.

If we nationalize health care, or even just health insurance, it will be a political football every. single. election. "Scare the seniors" will be a quaint memory. It will pale in the face of each party holding our health care for hostage. Each party will be shuffling promises to interest groups, targeting political enemies, and scaring sick people with claims that the other side is going to take away this or that.

But the status quo sees people die. That cant be right.

Why do you care?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

You are creating bogus scenarios to deflect from a reality that is inhumane.

If we nationalize health care, or even just health insurance, it will be a political football every. single. election. "Scare the seniors" will be a quaint memory. It will pale in the face of each party holding our health care for hostage. Each party will be shuffling promises to interest groups, targeting political enemies, and scaring sick people with claims that the other side is going to take away this or that.

But the status quo sees people die. That cant be right.

While I agree that there's much wrong with the status quo, people dying is par for the course. The death rate has stayed pretty consistent through history. One per person.

Its not perfect over here but our life expectancy is better than yours, even Lebanon is better than yours.

Only because we drive more cars and are fatter. Zero to do with healthcare. We are better at curing cancer and other tough diseases. You’re a loser and a troll.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You are creating bogus scenarios to deflect from a reality that is inhumane.

If we nationalize health care, or even just health insurance, it will be a political football every. single. election. "Scare the seniors" will be a quaint memory. It will pale in the face of each party holding our health care for hostage. Each party will be shuffling promises to interest groups, targeting political enemies, and scaring sick people with claims that the other side is going to take away this or that.

But the status quo sees people die. That cant be right.

While I agree that there's much wrong with the status quo, people dying is par for the course. The death rate has stayed pretty consistent through history. One per person.

Its not perfect over here but our life expectancy is better than yours, even Lebanon is better than yours.

Only because we drive more cars and are fatter. Zero to do with healthcare. We are better at curing cancer and other tough diseases. You’re a loser and a troll.

I will still live longer than you because I have access to the NHS which cares for all of our needs, rich or poor.

 

[Blues Man]

If we nationalize health care, or even just health insurance, it will be a political football every. single. election. "Scare the seniors" will be a quaint memory. It will pale in the face of each party holding our health care for hostage. Each party will be shuffling promises to interest groups, targeting political enemies, and scaring sick people with claims that the other side is going to take away this or that.

But the status quo sees people die. That cant be right.

While I agree that there's much wrong with the status quo, people dying is par for the course. The death rate has stayed pretty consistent through history. One per person.

Its not perfect over here but our life expectancy is better than yours, even Lebanon is better than yours.

Only because we drive more cars and are fatter. Zero to do with healthcare. We are better at curing cancer and other tough diseases. You’re a loser and a troll.

I will still live longer than you because I have access to the NHS which cares for all of our needs, rich or poor.

If you look like your avatar pic I highly doubt that

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

If we nationalize health care, or even just health insurance, it will be a political football every. single. election. "Scare the seniors" will be a quaint memory. It will pale in the face of each party holding our health care for hostage. Each party will be shuffling promises to interest groups, targeting political enemies, and scaring sick people with claims that the other side is going to take away this or that.

But the status quo sees people die. That cant be right.

While I agree that there's much wrong with the status quo, people dying is par for the course. The death rate has stayed pretty consistent through history. One per person.

Its not perfect over here but our life expectancy is better than yours, even Lebanon is better than yours.

Only because we drive more cars and are fatter. Zero to do with healthcare. We are better at curing cancer and other tough diseases. You’re a loser and a troll.

I will still live longer than you because I have access to the NHS which cares for all of our needs, rich or poor.

Good for you. Why do you care then what happens here?