Failed by US Healthcare

[Toddsterpatriot]

Oh, I agree. Definitely your responsibility to petition govt like crazy.. for a guaranteed minimum standard of healthcare like the rest of the developed world enjoys. Especially those self-identifying as "patriot."

Hasn't big government fucked up healthcare enough already?

 

[Grumblenuts]

For the billionaires? No.

 

[dblack]

Oh, I agree. Definitely your responsibility to petition govt like crazy.. for a guaranteed minimum standard of healthcare like the rest of the developed world enjoys. Especially those self-identifying as "patriot."

Hasn't big government fucked up healthcare enough already?

Not yet. They have big plans!

 

[dblack]

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You're mixing up your terminology

And you've just been repeating yourself. Since you clearly don't think guaranteeing a minimal standard of healthcare should be considered a civil liberty (still no surprise), then what would you call it?

It's not a question of how we "consider" it. It's just a question of the definition. You might consider a dog a horse, but that doesn't mean it's a matter of opinion. I just means you're wrong.

A civil liberty is a protected freedom. Most especially, it's a freedom protected from government interference. This is important to me because I think what you're engaged in is a deliberate attempt to equivocate. A lie:

It's well established that government has a responsibility to protect our civil liberties. It's not established that government has the responsibility to provide us with health care, nor the power to do so. By pretending that health care is a civil liberty you're hoping to smuggle it in without scrutiny. Shame on you.

 

[dblack]

Oh, I agree. Definitely your responsibility to petition govt like crazy.. for a guaranteed minimum standard of healthcare like the rest of the developed world enjoys. Especially those self-identifying as "patriot."

Is that really how you see things? Do you think it's a civic duty to beg government for free shit?

 

[Grumblenuts]

So now you really trot out your true colors, eh?
You'd beg for free shit? LOL

Well, nice talkin' to ya for a bit anyways, young fella. Holler when you grow up.

"My loyalty isn't to a nation, or a government. It's to my country, my society, my community. You're indulging the same conceit as the liberals - you're identifying the nation state as the ultimate representation of the people. I think that's a mistake. It's the core mistake of nationalism."

Huh? You're mixing up your terminology and it makes your arguments difficult to follow. This is important to me because I think what you're engaged in is a deliberate attempt to equivocate. A lie. Is that really how you see things? Do you think it's a civic duty to beg government for free shit?

 

[dblack]

So now you really trot out your true colors, eh?
You'd beg for free shit? LOL

Well, nice talkin' to ya for a bit anyways, young fella. Holler when you grow up.

"My loyalty isn't to a nation, or a government. It's to my country, my society, my community. You're indulging the same conceit as the liberals - you're identifying the nation state as the ultimate representation of the people. I think that's a mistake. It's the core mistake of nationalism."

Huh? You're mixing up your terminology and it makes your arguments difficult to follow. This is important to me because I think what you're engaged in is a deliberate attempt to equivocate. A lie. Is that really how you see things? Do you think it's a civic duty to beg government for free shit?

Hmm... I have no idea what you're trying to say here. It seems like I hurt your feelings. Sorry. It's nothing personal. I just don't respect slight-of-hand arguments. Nationalizing health care has nothing to do with protecting civil liberties.

 

[JoeB131]

You missed the point. Again. The point is, Trump WILL happen again. It's inevitable.

I'm often stunned by the blind assumption of liberals, when they clamor for more state power, that democracy will never let them down, that voters will alway elect someone who agrees with them and shares their values, that government will always be on their side.

Nobody said that. Here's what I did say.

Like roads? I do. I love roads. Guess what, we STILL have roads no matter who is in the White House, because we've all agreed that roads are something the government should do. True, we might have disagreements on where the road should go.

WHEN you get past the Libertarian and Insurance Company bullshit, most Americans think that the government should provide health care and everyone should have access to it. How we get there is the question that we could have disagreements on. The problem has been, the Democrats have been too willing to comprimise with big insurance and the Republicans.

Ahh.. petty insults. Again. Your go-to end game. At least you're smart enough to know when to fold.

I smart enough to know you have to give a child a time out...

Go sit in the corner, the grown ups are talking.

 

[JoeB131]

It's well established that government has a responsibility to protect our civil liberties. It's not established that government has the responsibility to provide us with health care, nor the power to do so. By pretending that health care is a civil liberty you're hoping to smuggle it in without scrutiny. Shame on you.

Again, when a Libertarian Child talks about "Liberty", it usually means the ability of the rich to abuse the rest of us.

It was so great that Ed Hanaway got a NINE FIGURE retirement program, and that Nataline Sarkisyan had the"Freedom" to die of a treatable disease after her dad paid for insurance for years. "Freeeeedom!"

 

[Grumblenuts]

Nah, Joe. He's right. We just want "free shit" like emancipation, women's suffrage, death with dignity, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid... Hell, the list never ends. Ya know, it's bad enough that "Amendments" had to be tacked on to begin with just to appease us fucking liberal types. A so-called "Bill of Rights".. Pshaww! Who ever needed that? The original intent was simply for the white males to continue grabbing up and plundering the entire "New World" until all the easily accessible "free shit" was officially claimed by them. Personally. Their private property. Then NO MORE FREE SHIT SUCKAS AND STAY TF OFF MY LAWN!.. Ah, the good old days.. When men were men..

 

[dblack]

Ahh.. petty insults. Again. Your go-to end game. At least you're smart enough to know when to fold.

I smart enough to know you have to give a child a time out...

Go sit in the corner, the grown ups are talking.

If that's all you got, I understand. Seems like I touched a nerve.

 

[dudmuck]

:

You're mixing up your terminology

And you've just been repeating yourself. Since you clearly don't think guaranteeing a minimal standard of healthcare should be considered a civil liberty (still no surprise), then what would you call it?

It's not a question of how we "consider" it. It's just a question of the definition. You might consider a dog a horse, but that doesn't mean it's a matter of opinion. I just means you're wrong.

A civil liberty is a protected freedom. Most especially, it's a freedom protected from government interference. This is important to me because I think what you're engaged in is a deliberate attempt to equivocate. A lie:

It's well established that government has a responsibility to protect our civil liberties. It's not established that government has the responsibility to provide us with health care, nor the power to do so. By pretending that health care is a civil liberty you're hoping to smuggle it in without scrutiny. Shame on you.

oh yea...

 

[dblack]

oh yea...

And you want to place your health in the hands of Trump instead?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

:

You're mixing up your terminology

And you've just been repeating yourself. Since you clearly don't think guaranteeing a minimal standard of healthcare should be considered a civil liberty (still no surprise), then what would you call it?

It's not a question of how we "consider" it. It's just a question of the definition. You might consider a dog a horse, but that doesn't mean it's a matter of opinion. I just means you're wrong.

A civil liberty is a protected freedom. Most especially, it's a freedom protected from government interference. This is important to me because I think what you're engaged in is a deliberate attempt to equivocate. A lie:

It's well established that government has a responsibility to protect our civil liberties. It's not established that government has the responsibility to provide us with health care, nor the power to do so. By pretending that health care is a civil liberty you're hoping to smuggle it in without scrutiny. Shame on you.

oh yea...

Exactly!
That's why Americans are running up to Canada for healthcare and no foreigners
ever come to the US for healthcare. DURR

 

[Grumblenuts]

Allow me to highlight the actual truth of what transpired for a moment before it gets entirely lost in the ongoing silliness:

:

You're mixing up your terminology

And you've just been repeating yourself. Since you clearly don't think guaranteeing a minimal standard of healthcare should be considered a civil liberty (still no surprise), then what would you call it?

It's not a question of how we "consider" it.

Now THAT's pure 100% Grade "A" deflection there, folks. So dishonest it's truly farcical!

 

[dblack]

Allow me to highlight the actual truth of what transpired for a moment before it gets entirely lost in the ongoing silliness:

:

You're mixing up your terminology

And you've just been repeating yourself. Since you clearly don't think guaranteeing a minimal standard of healthcare should be considered a civil liberty (still no surprise), then what would you call it?

It's not a question of how we "consider" it.

Now THAT's pure 100% Grade "A" deflection there, folks. So dishonest it's truly farcical!

What the fuck are you talking about now???

 

[Grumblenuts]

What the fuck are you talking about now???

What (the fuck) would you call it???
(If I could make it any bigger or bolder I would!)

 

[Cecilie1200]

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In the developed world this young man would just have to focus on getting well.

I guess "developed world" doesn't include the UK, then, since THERE he'd have to focus on praying he doesn't die before the doctors even see him.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I see that you havent chipped in to help this youngster Sue. Charity has its limits I suppose.

Is there a Go Fund Me to help Tommy grow a brain?

If science could manage that, I'd start Taint's GoFundMe for it myself.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I see that you havent chipped in to help this youngster Sue. Charity has its limits I suppose.

Is there a Go Fund Me to help Tommy grow a brain?

Still not chipped in Sue ?

You know what's pathetic Tommy is you don't give a crap about this kid and haven't donated one red cent yourself. You only care about the issues your overlords have pounded into your thick skull: that through controlling all the healthcare of the nation they can take total control over the population. Not being satisfied that this has happened in your nation, you have to find people who are suffering over here to meddle with.

So really, spare me your false compassion. Your overlords have control over you--goody for you. They don't have control over us. Your totalitarian heart is just going to have to live with that Tommy, however difficult it is for you.

Yes, you can see that this kids family are enjoying their "freedom" right now. Having to beg in order to pay your bills really supports your dignity as an individual.

You still havent put a cent in babe. If you dont like the family do it for America !!! (And "freedom" natch)

It never stops amusing me to watch Taint attempt to shame someone who views him as something stuck to the bottom of her shoe. This is what socialism gets you: useless, brainless mouthbreathers like Taint mistakenly believing that existing is an accomplishment.