Evolution…in the Bible??

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1. “ From about 400 million years back to 600 million years, all kinds of complex multicellular life would have been confined to the waters of the earth….Our world's ecosystems depend upon photosynthesis to construct the fuel that all life runs on; in an ancient world with conditions similar to today's, you would need plants (as organisms that can make complex "fuel" molecules using simple building blocks and energy available from the environment, plants are known as one type of autotrophs, or "self-feeders") to evolve first, or there would be no bottom link to the food chain.” Biology of Animals & Plants - Origins & History of Life on Earth

a. “[One] theory is the special creation theory, that supernatural forces (pick a candidate from a long list) put the first prokaryotes together as part of the long building plans which would ultimately lead to us. Science tends to be resistant to supernatural explanations of things (they aren't really testable, and their proponents don't accept them as falsifiable), but when you're dealing with conditions so far in the past, there is really no more or less evidence for this idea than any of the others
Ibid.





2. The opening page of Genesis asserts that plant life appeared after the seas were formed, and names specifically, grass, herbs and fruit trees. According to the author of Genesis, this is the stage where life actually begins: this is the first mention life of any kind. Plant life. Yet, the simple forms of life that are considered plant life were not discovered until a couple of millennia after Genesis was completed. So…how come Genesis mentions grass, herbs, and fruit trees at precisely this moment on the creation narrative?
Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter four.

a. Genesis 1: 11-12 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.





3. Let’s start with the accepted doctrine of Darwinian evolution…an obvious query is, if life evolved, from what did it evolve? Is it correct to say, as does the Genesis account, that the first form of life to appear after the creation of the seas, is plant life?

a. Chemist and biologist Stanley Miller’s “ famous 1953 experiment showed that organic molecules could be formed rather quickly and easily. The organic molecules he produced were neither “the organic molecules necessary for life,” nor were they produced in an environment “simulating the primitive Earth's atmosphere,” as is commonly reported. But his initial experiment was significant because it encouraged many other scientists to perform countless experiments about the ways in which organic compounds could be naturally produced.”
http://www.ridgenet.net/~do_while/sage/v11i9n.htm

4. The hop from Miller’s amino acids to conceptualizing the origins of bacteria, archaebacteria, and then eukaryotes is easy enough. The key step was early bacterium evolving a molecule that could use the energy of the sun’s rays to gain electrons from water: it could ‘photosynthesize.’ The cyanobacteria were born. Cyanobacteria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. Fossils of cyanobacteria as old as 3,600 million years old have been found.




5. But…no ‘cyanobacteria’ in Genesis! Why? Because ancient Israelites would have been oblivious to any single-celled form of life. Wouldn’t even have had a word for it. But…photosynthesis is synonymous with plant life. And grass, herbs and fruit trees are plants.

So, it is both significant and appropriate that in Genesis we find plant life as the third stage in the creation account…..true?
Science and Genesis seem to agree on this order of events....energy, the earth, the seas....plants.


'Curiouser and curiouser!' cried Alice.
 
1. “ From about 400 million years back to 600 million years, all kinds of complex multicellular life would have been confined to the waters of the earth….Our world's ecosystems depend upon photosynthesis to construct the fuel that all life runs on; in an ancient world with conditions similar to today's, you would need plants (as organisms that can make complex "fuel" molecules using simple building blocks and energy available from the environment, plants are known as one type of autotrophs, or "self-feeders") to evolve first, or there would be no bottom link to the food chain.” Biology of Animals & Plants - Origins & History of Life on Earth

a. “[One] theory is the special creation theory, that supernatural forces (pick a candidate from a long list) put the first prokaryotes together as part of the long building plans which would ultimately lead to us. Science tends to be resistant to supernatural explanations of things (they aren't really testable, and their proponents don't accept them as falsifiable), but when you're dealing with conditions so far in the past, there is really no more or less evidence for this idea than any of the others
Ibid.





2. The opening page of Genesis asserts that plant life appeared after the seas were formed, and names specifically, grass, herbs and fruit trees. According to the author of Genesis, this is the stage where life actually begins: this is the first mention life of any kind. Plant life. Yet, the simple forms of life that are considered plant life were not discovered until a couple of millennia after Genesis was completed. So…how come Genesis mentions grass, herbs, and fruit trees at precisely this moment on the creation narrative?
Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter four.

a. Genesis 1: 11-12 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.





3. Let’s start with the accepted doctrine of Darwinian evolution…an obvious query is, if life evolved, from what did it evolve? Is it correct to say, as does the Genesis account, that the first form of life to appear after the creation of the seas, is plant life?

a. Chemist and biologist Stanley Miller’s “ famous 1953 experiment showed that organic molecules could be formed rather quickly and easily. The organic molecules he produced were neither “the organic molecules necessary for life,” nor were they produced in an environment “simulating the primitive Earth's atmosphere,” as is commonly reported. But his initial experiment was significant because it encouraged many other scientists to perform countless experiments about the ways in which organic compounds could be naturally produced.”
Stanley Miller’s Final Word

4. The hop from Miller’s amino acids to conceptualizing the origins of bacteria, archaebacteria, and then eukaryotes is easy enough. The key step was early bacterium evolving a molecule that could use the energy of the sun’s rays to gain electrons from water: it could ‘photosynthesize.’ The cyanobacteria were born. Cyanobacteria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. Fossils of cyanobacteria as old as 3,600 million years old have been found.




5. But…no ‘cyanobacteria’ in Genesis! Why? Because ancient Israelites would have been oblivious to any single-celled form of life. Wouldn’t even have had a word for it. But…photosynthesis is synonymous with plant life. And grass, herbs and fruit trees are plants.

So, it is both significant and appropriate that in Genesis we find plant life as the third stage in the creation account…..true?
Science and Genesis seem to agree on this order of events....energy, the earth, the seas....plants.


'Curiouser and curiouser!' cried Alice.


Whatever. Remember however that a day in the Bible does not necessarily mean a 24-hour day, as we know it.
 
she denies sceince all the time on here


There is no proof god exsists
 
Doesn't Genesis state that there were waters before even light? That god hovered above the face of the waters before creating light, or something to that effect?

I would say that even if the Christian god exists, that god probably didn't intend Genesis to be any kind of blueprint or guide for the details of the creation of the universe. :)
 
1. “ From about 400 million years back to 600 million years, all kinds of complex multicellular life would have been confined to the waters of the earth….Our world's ecosystems depend upon photosynthesis to construct the fuel that all life runs on; in an ancient world with conditions similar to today's, you would need plants (as organisms that can make complex "fuel" molecules using simple building blocks and energy available from the environment, plants are known as one type of autotrophs, or "self-feeders") to evolve first, or there would be no bottom link to the food chain.” Biology of Animals & Plants - Origins & History of Life on Earth

a. “[One] theory is the special creation theory, that supernatural forces (pick a candidate from a long list) put the first prokaryotes together as part of the long building plans which would ultimately lead to us. Science tends to be resistant to supernatural explanations of things (they aren't really testable, and their proponents don't accept them as falsifiable), but when you're dealing with conditions so far in the past, there is really no more or less evidence for this idea than any of the others
Ibid.





2. The opening page of Genesis asserts that plant life appeared after the seas were formed, and names specifically, grass, herbs and fruit trees. According to the author of Genesis, this is the stage where life actually begins: this is the first mention life of any kind. Plant life. Yet, the simple forms of life that are considered plant life were not discovered until a couple of millennia after Genesis was completed. So…how come Genesis mentions grass, herbs, and fruit trees at precisely this moment on the creation narrative?
Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter four.

a. Genesis 1: 11-12 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.





3. Let’s start with the accepted doctrine of Darwinian evolution…an obvious query is, if life evolved, from what did it evolve? Is it correct to say, as does the Genesis account, that the first form of life to appear after the creation of the seas, is plant life?

a. Chemist and biologist Stanley Miller’s “ famous 1953 experiment showed that organic molecules could be formed rather quickly and easily. The organic molecules he produced were neither “the organic molecules necessary for life,” nor were they produced in an environment “simulating the primitive Earth's atmosphere,” as is commonly reported. But his initial experiment was significant because it encouraged many other scientists to perform countless experiments about the ways in which organic compounds could be naturally produced.”
Stanley Miller’s Final Word

4. The hop from Miller’s amino acids to conceptualizing the origins of bacteria, archaebacteria, and then eukaryotes is easy enough. The key step was early bacterium evolving a molecule that could use the energy of the sun’s rays to gain electrons from water: it could ‘photosynthesize.’ The cyanobacteria were born. Cyanobacteria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. Fossils of cyanobacteria as old as 3,600 million years old have been found.




5. But…no ‘cyanobacteria’ in Genesis! Why? Because ancient Israelites would have been oblivious to any single-celled form of life. Wouldn’t even have had a word for it. But…photosynthesis is synonymous with plant life. And grass, herbs and fruit trees are plants.

So, it is both significant and appropriate that in Genesis we find plant life as the third stage in the creation account…..true?
Science and Genesis seem to agree on this order of events....energy, the earth, the seas....plants.


'Curiouser and curiouser!' cried Alice.


Whatever. Remember however that a day in the Bible does not necessarily mean a 24-hour day, as we know it.

I'll write an OP that answers that question.....are you familiar with the Scofield Reference Bible.
 
Doesn't Genesis state that there were waters before even light? That god hovered above the face of the waters before creating light, or something to that effect?

I would say that even if the Christian god exists, that god probably didn't intend Genesis to be any kind of blueprint or guide for the details of the creation of the universe. :)

http://www.usmessageboard.com/science-and-technology/277042-genesis-correlates-with-science.html

So, yes, according to Genesis there was water before there was light. Gotcha.

Not sure how that equates to Genesis and science agreeing.
 
Doesn't Genesis state that there were waters before even light? That god hovered above the face of the waters before creating light, or something to that effect?

I would say that even if the Christian god exists, that god probably didn't intend Genesis to be any kind of blueprint or guide for the details of the creation of the universe. :)

http://www.usmessageboard.com/science-and-technology/277042-genesis-correlates-with-science.html

So, yes, according to Genesis there was water before there was light. Gotcha.

Not sure how that equates to Genesis and science agreeing.

It is as though you saved a space on your plate for the mashed potatoes.....

There could not have been seas, as there was no earth.

Note this phrase: "earth was without form, and void;"


as in void: A completely empty space: "the black void of space".


http://www.usmessageboard.com/science-and-technology/277245-the-seas-in-science-and-in-genesis.html
 

So, yes, according to Genesis there was water before there was light. Gotcha.

Not sure how that equates to Genesis and science agreeing.

It is as though you saved a space on your plate for the mashed potatoes.....

There could not have been seas, as there was no earth.

Note this phrase: "earth was without form, and void;"


as in void: A completely empty space: "the black void of space".


http://www.usmessageboard.com/science-and-technology/277245-the-seas-in-science-and-in-genesis.html

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

I'm afraid I don't understand how god moved upon the face of the waters, yet there was no water. This, before there was light. Are the waters not waters? Are the waters also equated to the black void of space?

Again, you can try to say that Genesis and current scientific theory on the creation of the universe mesh, but the mental gymnastics involved make it pretty silly. Unless you are taking a literal interpretation of the English translation of the Bible, it seems pretty clear that it is a very vague, at best, story of the beginning, and not one that should be used or even seriously compared to scientific theories. I don't think a god that would write or inspire Genesis would have meant it to be looked at for accuracy.
 
So, yes, according to Genesis there was water before there was light. Gotcha.

Not sure how that equates to Genesis and science agreeing.

It is as though you saved a space on your plate for the mashed potatoes.....

There could not have been seas, as there was no earth.

Note this phrase: "earth was without form, and void;"


as in void: A completely empty space: "the black void of space".


http://www.usmessageboard.com/science-and-technology/277245-the-seas-in-science-and-in-genesis.html

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

I'm afraid I don't understand how god moved upon the face of the waters, yet there was no water. This, before there was light. Are the waters not waters? Are the waters also equated to the black void of space?

Again, you can try to say that Genesis and current scientific theory on the creation of the universe mesh, but the mental gymnastics involved make it pretty silly. Unless you are taking a literal interpretation of the English translation of the Bible, it seems pretty clear that it is a very vague, at best, story of the beginning, and not one that should be used or even seriously compared to scientific theories. I don't think a god that would write or inspire Genesis would have meant it to be looked at for accuracy.

It seems that the terms 'waters' and 'seas' are not synonymous. The waters that we call seas or oceans are not extant until verse 10.
 
It seems that the terms 'waters' and 'seas' are not synonymous. The waters that we call seas or oceans are not extant until verse 10.

Which is a good example of my point about the foolishness of trying to fit this creation story in with scientific theory. It's simply too vague, too open to interpretation, both in the meaning of phrases and the meaning of the individual words used, to make any kind of definitive case.

At best I think you can argue that it CAN fit into current theory. :)
 
It seems that the terms 'waters' and 'seas' are not synonymous. The waters that we call seas or oceans are not extant until verse 10.

Which is a good example of my point about the foolishness of trying to fit this creation story in with scientific theory. It's simply too vague, too open to interpretation, both in the meaning of phrases and the meaning of the individual words used, to make any kind of definitive case.

At best I think you can argue that it CAN fit into current theory. :)

Not foolish at all.

I hope you'll have the time to read a couple more OP I plan toward that end....and tell me what you think then.
 

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