Zone1 Evidence of the Hebrew Exodus

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They didn't 'craft' anything. They wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Quantrill

Using historical events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice and Israel's special relationship with God.

 

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The Bible is of no value if it was crafted by Israelites.

The Bible is the Word of God. Isn't it?

Quantrill

Yes, the bible is the word of God just as Jesus is the word of God. Just as God gave you a brain to use. Like I said before, the OT is immensely valuable because the accounts revealed a moralistic and providential creator of existence and foretold the coming of Jesus.

 

[Quantrill]

Using historical events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice and Israel's special relationship with God.

No. God inspired the prophets to write what they wrote. God controls the history and He uses history as a means of revelation also. Much of what the prophets wrote they did not even understand. (1 Peter 1:10) That destroys your claim that the Israelites crafted the Old Testament.

Is the Bible the Word of God or not?

Quantrill

 

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No. God inspired the prophets to write what they wrote. God controls the history and He uses history as a means of revelation also. Much of what the prophets wrote they did not even understand. (1 Peter 1:10) That destroys your claim that the Israelites crafted the Old Testament.

Is the Bible the Word of God or not?

Quantrill

No. It doesn't destroy my claim. It's not even my claim. It's common knowledge. Try googling it. The OT isn't a Lord of the Rings movie. You want to believe in magic. If you want to believe in magic just think about how God willed existence into being and his creation produced beings that know and create or think of Jesus.

 

[Quantrill]

Yes, the bible is the word of God just as Jesus is the word of God. Just as God gave you a brain to use. Like I said before, the OT is immensely valuable because the accounts revealed a moralistic and providential creator of existence and foretold the coming of Jesus.

Something is not right in what you're saying. The Bible is the only written Word of God to man. It is not crafted by the Israelites. It is written under inspiration from God.

The Old Testament is valuable because it is the Word of God. And God was not revealing a 'moralistic' doctrine to man. He was revealing Himself to man. Morality is man's term. Not God's.

Your view of the Bible and your interpreteation of it is not right.

Quantrill

 

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Something is not right in what you're saying. The Bible is the only written Word of God to man. It is not crafted by the Israelites. It is written under inspiration from God.

The Old Testament is valuable because it is the Word of God. And God was not revealing a 'moralistic' doctrine to man. He was revealing Himself to man. Morality is man's term. Not God's.

Your view of the Bible and your interpreteation of it is not right.

Quantrill

I'm happy for you to disagree with me.

 

[Quantrill]

No. It doesn't destroy my claim. It's not even my claim. It's common knowledge. Try googling it. The OT isn't a Lord of the Rings movie. You want to believe in magic. If you want to believe in magic just think about how God willed existence into being and his creation produced beings that know and create or think of Jesus.

Yes it was your claim. You claim the Israelites crafted the Old Testament. I don't get my understanding of the Bible through 'google'.

If the Old Testament was 'crafted' by Israelites, it may as will just be a novel like any other work of man.

I'm not the one who believes in magic. I believe all the supernatural miraculous works God reveals in the Bible. Do you believe all those. No, you do not. To you they are just stories crafted by Israelites. Again, that is a damn lie.

Quantrill

 

[Ropey]

I'm happy for you to disagree with me.

Roughly translated to the metaphorical.

The bee doesn't spend much time attempting to convince the fly that honey is much better tasting than shit.

Speaking of translations,...



A fine bit of interpretation.

 

[Quantrill]

I'm happy for you to disagree with me.

Be happy all you want. But it's not me you disagree with.

Quantrill

 

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Yes it was your claim. You claim the Israelites crafted the Old Testament. I don't get my understanding of the Bible through 'google'.

If the Old Testament was 'crafted' by Israelites, it may as will just be a novel like any other work of man.

I'm not the one who believes in magic. I believe all the supernatural miraculous works God reveals in the Bible. Do you believe all those. No, you do not. To you they are just stories crafted by Israelites. Again, that is a damn lie.

Quantrill

I know exactly what I have claimed. I've been very clear and specific. I even know you disagree with it. And I know that my disagreeing with you bothers you more than your disagreeing with me bothers me.

Your time would be better spent communing with the Holy Spirit than arguing with me.

 

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Be happy all you want. But it's not me you disagree with.

Quantrill

I disagree.

 

[Ropey]

Be happy all you want. But it's not me you disagree with.

Quantrill

Bold move.

Next thing, you'll be telling folks that the sky isn't blue, it's just our eyes betraying us.

 

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The bee doesn't spend much time attempting to convince the fly that honey is much better tasting than shit.

So true. At least he shouldn't anyway.

 

[Quantrill]

I disagree.

Disagree with what? Do you believe that all the miraculous events recorded in the Bible are true, really occurred as described. That everything in the Bible actually happened and is true? Do you believe that?

And, if they are not true, then how are they the Word of God?

Quantrill

 

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A fine bit of interpretation.

Yeah, the first 2 1/2 minutes of that clip explained it really well. I found him to be most credible. The first 11 chapters of the Torah demand a great deal of effort and intellect by the reader to understand. Hacks like TNHarley don't stand a chance.

 

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Disagree with what? Do you believe that all the miraculous events recorded in the Bible are true, really occurred as described. That everything in the Bible actually happened and is true? Do you believe that?

And, if they are not true, then how are they the Word of God?

Quantrill

I don't think I can say it any better than... The bee doesn't spend much time attempting to convince the fly that honey is much better tasting than shit.

 

[Quantrill]

I don't think I can say it any better than... The bee doesn't spend much time attempting to convince the fly that honey is much better tasting than shit.

You could answer the questions I asked. But you know when you do, it will be seen that what I have said of your doctrine is true. You may as well throw that Bible away. Your bible is just the word of man.

Quantrill

 

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Your bible is just the word of man.

Talk about self-owning hypocrisy. You contradict yourself constantly, and the evidence?

Your word is just the word of man.

 

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You could answer the questions I asked. But you know when you do, it will be seen that what I have said of your doctrine is true. You may as well throw that Bible away. Your bible is just the word of man.

Quantrill

Why? What would be the point? I don't have anything else to add. I'm more than happy for you to believe whatever you want. It's called free will. If that is good enough for God then it is good enough for me.

 

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No, I showed you that the Old Testament is not symbolic. It is not to be interpreted 'symbolically' as you claimed. Jesus showed you the literalness of the Old Testament record. That is completely different then what you said.

The Transfiguration also proves the literalness of the Old Testament.

And, I asked you, 'who said the Old Testament is very symbolic?' No answer. And I showed you the oxymoronic statement of yours concerning (1Peter 1:20) and your statement that people have a right to their own understanding. Totally false.

If you believe the literalness of the New Testament record, why do you disbelieve the literalness of the Old Testament record?

Quantrill

You are so out of the loop with every scholar on the planet. Look, Hebrew letters are not like English or Greek letters. Each letter represents a word, thought and idea. Layered symbols of something more. Good grief. In fact, developed from Egyptian hieroglyphics. Uggg