Mangione case and suppression of evidence.

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Judge Allows Gun Found in Mangione’s Backpack to Be Used as Evidence

Evidence found during the search at the time of his arrest had been ruled inadmissible.

www.theepochtimes.com

I’m a bit curious about the suppression ruling in the defendant’s favor in the first place.

I don’t know if the prosecution made the argument or not. But there is a legal concept in NY criminal jurisprudence known as the “inevitable discovery rule.” It isn’t always straightforward, but the gist of it is that: even if a search is “bad,” evidence recovered in that search may survive suppression if (in the normal course of police business) the eventual discovery and recovery of evidence would have come about all the same.

It almost doesn’t even matter. The shooting was captured on videotape. It seems very unlikely that any clever defense work is going to get around that.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Judge Allows Gun Found in Mangione’s Backpack to Be Used as Evidence

Evidence found during the search at the time of his arrest had been ruled inadmissible.

www.theepochtimes.com

I’m a bit curious about the suppression ruling in the defendant’s favor in the first place.

I don’t know if the prosecution made the argument or not. But there is a legal concept in NY criminal jurisprudence known as the “inevitable discovery rule.” It isn’t always straightforward, but the gist of it is that: even if a search is “bad,” evidence recovered in that search may survive suppression if (in the normal course of police business) the eventual discovery and recovery of evidence would have come about all the same.

It almost doesn’t even matter. The shooting was captured on videotape. It seems very unlikely that any clever defense work is going to get around that.

What was the evidence, where was it and how was it found?

 

[toobfreak]

Judge Allows Gun Found in Mangione’s Backpack to Be Used as Evidence

Evidence found during the search at the time of his arrest had been ruled inadmissible.

www.theepochtimes.com

Got a better link than Epoch? I do not submit to forcible submission of private info just to read a common news story.

I’m a bit curious about the suppression ruling in the defendant’s favor in the first place.

I've lost all hope for the legal system. In the Murdaugh murder case, the defendant is overwhelmingly guilty, but just because the clerk of courts said something to the jury, they are throwing the entire conviction out and redoing the case from scratch even though they admit there is no possibility of the defendant coming out of it with any different ruling than guilty of murder.

 

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What was the evidence, where was it and how was it found?

When he was captured in PA, he had a bag next to him. Between the contents of the bag and whatever was on his person, the litany of “stuff” included:

• a 3D-printed 9mm handgun
• a suppressor/silencer
• a loaded magazine with ammunition
• a notebook / handwritten writings that prosecutors characterized as a “manifesto”
• a fake driver’s license / fake ID
• a passport
• a cellphone
• a computer chip / storage device
• a wallet
• flash drives
• a laptop
• AirPods
• a pocket knife
• miscellaneous travel/personal items including:
  • underwear
  • a hoagie sandwich
  • a loaf of bread
  • a protein bar
  • travel toothpaste

That is from ChatGPT. I have not reviewed the hearing transcript or any of the police reports from the Altoona PD.

 

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Got a better link than Epoch? I do not submit to forcible submission of private info just to read a common news story.
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I've lost all hope for the legal system. In the Murdaugh murder case, the defendant is overwhelmingly guilty, but just because the clerk of courts said something to the jury, they are throwing the entire conviction out and redoing the case from scratch even though they admit there is no possibility of the defendant coming out of it with any different ruling than guilty of murder.

I’m sure there are many links beyond the Epoch times.

 

[shockedcanadian]

When he was captured in PA, he had a bag next to him. Between the contents of the bag and whatever was on his person, the litany of “stuff” included:

• a 3D-printed 9mm handgun
• a suppressor/silencer
• a loaded magazine with ammunition
• a notebook / handwritten writings that prosecutors characterized as a “manifesto”
• a fake driver’s license / fake ID
• a passport
• a cellphone
• a computer chip / storage device
• a wallet
• flash drives
• a laptop
• AirPods
• a pocket knife
• miscellaneous travel/personal items including:
  • underwear
  • a hoagie sandwich
  • a loaf of bread
  • a protein bar
  • travel toothpaste

That is from ChatGPT. I have not reviewed the hearing transcript or any of the police reports from the Altoona PD.

If the ballistics match the bullet that killed him, that would be very insane.

His manifesto should relate to motive.

Perhaps some of the other stuff might be invasion or privacy, but he was caught on video so there should be a broad and reasonable warrant, especially for that on his persons.

 

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If the ballistics match the bullet that killed him, that would be very insane.

His manifesto should relate to motive.

Perhaps some of the other stuff might be invasion or privacy, but he was caught on video so there should be a broad and reasonable warrant, especially for that on his persons.

As a rule, prosecutors wouldn’t seek to put his toothbrush into evidence.

They are now permitted to put the gun into evidence, however.

I need to see the court’s written decision because I would guess that the other gun related items and his “manifesto” should be allowed not evidence.

EDIT:

I just did a quick search and found this:

“The evidence found during the search of the backpack at the McDonald’s must be suppressed, including the magazine, cellphone, passport, wallet and computer chip,” Judge Gregory Carro said in his 18 May decision.

Luigi Mangione trial judge allows gun and notebook to be used as evidence

Other evidence found backpack must be suppressed, says judge, because McDonald’s search was warrantless

www.theguardian.com

It was a different gun that was not suppressed.

Not sure if the prosecutors care about anything from his backpack. But I also don’t know which gun he supposedly used to murder the victim.