Zone1 Evidence of the Hebrew Exodus

[Cougarbear]

Actually they understated their defeats. But to your point it didn't happen as told but there was an Exodus of some kind and that was about that time that they transitioned in earnest to widespread monotheistic beliefs. The embellishments were made to make the account more memorable and easy to pass down orally and taught lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice and Israel's special relationship with God.

It's funny that you hate this explanation when in reality I am agreeing with you that it didn't happen as told.

So, how did it happen? Were you there? Again, I like the movie's answer, Egypt was told to stricken the name of Moses and all that had transpired. It's not a matter of convenience that there aren't records written down or archeological. It's a matter of faith that God prepared Israel to leave and made sure it happened. Surely the God of Israel could do that after organizing the entire universe. As far as we should expect lots of news outlets would write about findings of archeological evidence is speculative based on how the leftwing news media write about events in the world or don't write about them as well.

 

[Cougarbear]

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Archaeologists once claimed King David’s kingdom was a legend—too small, too early, too mythical to leave real evidence behind. Then they uncovered a city the Bible named 3,000 years ago… and everything changed.
In the Judean Lowlands, overlooking the very Valley of Elah where David faced Goliath, archaeologists excavated an ancient fortified city now known as Khirbet Qeiyafa. Carbon-14 dating of olive pits places the city firmly between 1050–930 BC—the exact time of King David’s reign.
But that’s not the stunning part.
The Bible mentions a city from David’s time called Shaarayim, a Hebrew word that literally means “two gates” (1 Chronicles 4:31). For centuries, no one knew why the city was given that name—until this excavation revealed something unheard of in ancient Israel: a city with two massive gates. One gate faces Azekah. The other opens toward the Valley of Elah.
No other known city in Israel from this period has this design. Archaeologists also uncovered:
• A fortified city wall built for centralized rule—not tribal villages
• An inscription written in ancient Hebrew script, dating to around 1000 BC
• Evidence of an organized kingdom, not scattered settlements
This wasn’t a Canaanite city. It wasn’t Egyptian. And it wasn’t mythical. It was Israelite. It was from David’s time. And it matched the Bible down to the meaning of the city’s name.

It's silly to decide that there is no evidence of the Exodus as well. Just haven't found any. And, perhaps the Pharoah also went back to the Red Sea and plucked out all the chariots and so on. Who knows. Maybe God did as well remove the evidence so you would have to believe based on faith.

 

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So, how did it happen? Were you there? Again, I like the movie's answer, Egypt was told to stricken the name of Moses and all that had transpired. It's not a matter of convenience that there aren't records written down or archeological. It's a matter of faith that God prepared Israel to leave and made sure it happened. Surely the God of Israel could do that after organizing the entire universe. As far as we should expect lots of news outlets would write about findings of archeological evidence is speculative based on how the leftwing news media write about events in the world or don't write about them as well.

The Israelites crafted narratives of historical events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice and Israel's relationship with God. The historical event was a migration away from Egypt and the transition from polytheism to monotheism.

 

[Cougarbear]

The Israelites crafted narratives of historical events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice and Israel's relationship with God. The historical event was a migration away from Egypt and the transition from polytheism to monotheism.

I agree with this. But, the question is did the Exodus happen as Moses and others wrote about it? I believe it did as I believe the earth was flooded completely. And, it wasn't until Ezra and the Great Synagogue (Sanhedrin) came about that changed from polytheism to monotheism.

 

[Quantrill]

That's not what that means. Are you forgetting about Jesus?

The Bible and Jesus are both considered the "Word of God" in Christianity, but in different ways: Jesus is the living Word (Logos), the ultimate embodiment and expression of God, while the Bible is the written Word, God's inspired message and revelation to humanity, pointing to Jesus. The Bible serves as an instruction manual for understanding God's will, with Jesus as the perfect example and fulfillment of that will.

Just because Jesus is the living Word, doesn't mean the Scriptures are not the only written Word of God.

How is it God's Word when you can't trust what it says. We have to trust ding to explain what it means because what ding says it means is not what it says.

Then comes along someone else who says it means something other than what dings says it means.

Of course the whole Bible is about Jesus. That doesn't mean we have to make up what it says. We can believe what it says. If you don't believe what it says...what are you saying?

Is your foundation shaken because the Bible means what it says?

Quantrill

 

[TNHarley]

Good old, TNHarley ...tuck and run ...tuck an run.

Lol all you do is gaslight and defend a religion you dont actually believe in. I dont want to waste my time with you.

 

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Lol all you do is gaslight and defend a religion you dont actually believe in. I dont want to waste my time with you.

I would have thought my agreeing with you that it didn't happen as told would have made you happy.

 

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all you do is gaslight

Make some more gas lighting threads and I'll show you how it's done.

and defend a religion you don't actually believe in.

I don't believe in your version of it. No. But I do always look forward to our chats about it. I'm still waiting for you to play the conspiracy card though. As I don't see how you could have any other explanation for those ancient accounts.

 

[Cougarbear]

Just because Jesus is the living Word, doesn't mean the Scriptures are not the only written Word of God.

How is it God's Word when you can't trust what it says. We have to trust ding to explain what it means because what ding says it means is not what it says.

Then comes along someone else who says it means something other than what dings says it means.

Of course the whole Bible is about Jesus. That doesn't mean we have to make up what it says. We can believe what it says. If you don't believe what it says...what are you saying?

Is your foundation shaken because the Bible means what it says?

Quantrill

The Old Testament or Hebrew Bible is very symbolic. This makes it very layered and therefore will have many meanings. The New Testament is very literal and less layered. The scriptures are not for private interpretation. People have the right to their own understanding and worship. It’s why Breezewood is such a turd

 

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

What I am learning from this thread is that you all generally agree and that you all generally disagree.

So do you all generally agree to generally disagree?

Or do you all generally disagree to generally agree?

 

[Quantrill]

The Old Testament or Hebrew Bible is very symbolic. This makes it very layered and therefore will have many meanings. The New Testament is very literal and less layered. The scriptures are not for private interpretation. People have the right to their own understanding and worship. It’s why Breezewood is such a turd

Who said the Old Testament is very symbolic?

Was Moses a symbol? Yet Jesus spoke of a literal Moses. (John 5:46-47)

Was Jonah a symbol? Yet Jesus spoke of a literal Jonah. (Matt. 12:40)

People can believe whatever they want. That proves nothing.

(1 Peter 1:20) "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

This verse contradicts what you just said. You speak as though people have a right to interpret anyway they want. This Scripture, (1 Peter 1:20), says that is wrong.

That which is written in the Bible didn't come from man. It came from God. As it did not come from man, so the understanding of it must come from God. And that understanding comes as each verse in the Bible is interpreted and supported by the whole of the Bible, Gods word.

The Bible is not to be interpreted symbolically. It is not to be interpreted allegorically. It is not left to every mans imagination as to what it means. It is left to believers to study and learn what the Bible is saying.

Quantrill

 

[Cougarbear]

Who said the Old Testament is very symbolic?

Was Moses a symbol? Yet Jesus spoke of a literal Moses. (John 5:46-47)

Was Jonah a symbol? Yet Jesus spoke of a literal Jonah. (Matt. 12:40)

People can believe whatever they want. That proves nothing.

(1 Peter 1:20) "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

This verse contradicts what you just said. You speak as though people have a right to interpret anyway they want. This Scripture, (1 Peter 1:20), says that is wrong.

That which is written in the Bible didn't come from man. It came from God. As it did not come from man, so the understanding of it must come from God. And that understanding comes as each verse in the Bible is interpreted and supported by the whole of the Bible, Gods word.

The Bible is not to be interpreted symbolically. It is not to be interpreted allegorically. It is not left to every mans imagination as to what it means. It is left to believers to study and learn what the Bible is saying.

Quantrill

You proved my point. NT scripture is literal as Jesus spoke. He clarified that Moses and Jonah were not just layered symbolism. They were real. Moses came to Jesus on the mount of transfiguration. Literally. Moses was literally real.

 

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Go ahead, TNHarley ... you know you want to claim the OT was a conspiracy.

 

[Quantrill]

You proved my point. NT scripture is literal as Jesus spoke. He clarified that Moses and Jonah were not just layered symbolism. They were real. Moses came to Jesus on the mount of transfiguration. Literally. Moses was literally real.

No, I showed you that the Old Testament is not symbolic. It is not to be interpreted 'symbolically' as you claimed. Jesus showed you the literalness of the Old Testament record. That is completely different then what you said.

The Transfiguration also proves the literalness of the Old Testament.

And, I asked you, 'who said the Old Testament is very symbolic?' No answer. And I showed you the oxymoronic statement of yours concerning (1Peter 1:20) and your statement that people have a right to their own understanding. Totally false.

If you believe the literalness of the New Testament record, why do you disbelieve the literalness of the Old Testament record?

Quantrill

 

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Who said the Old Testament is very symbolic?

Not symbolic, educational. The Israelites crafted narratives of historical events to TEACH LESSONS about the covenant, obedience, justice and Israel's relationship with God.

 

[Quantrill]

Not symbolic, educational. The Israelites crafted narratives of historical events to TEACH LESSONS about the covenant, obedience, justice and Israel's relationship with God.

That's not true...that is a damn lie. The Israelites didn't 'craft' anything. The prophets spoke by inspiration from God. That is why the Bible is the Word of God.

You may as well throw the Bible away for what you think of it. It is worthless.

Quantrill

 

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That's not true...that is a damn lie. The Israelites didn't 'craft' anything. The prophets spoke by inspiration from God. That is why the Bible is the Word of God.

The narratives they crafted about historical events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice and Israel's relationship with God WERE INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.

 

[ding]

You may as well throw the Bible away for what you think of it. It is worthless.

I disagree. They are priceless. They revealed a moralistic and providential creator of existence. They foretold the coming of Jesus.

 

[Quantrill]

The narratives they crafted about historical events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice and Israel's relationship with God WERE INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.

They didn't 'craft' anything. They wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

I disagree. They are priceless. They foretold the coming of Jesus.

The Bible is of no value if it was crafted by Israelites.

The Bible is the Word of God. Isn't it?

Quantrill