Duty Calls: Vietnam veterans to receive pins in appreciation of war duty.

[JGalt]

One factor you forgot, the determination of the Vietnamese people to resist at almost any cost, that should have been clear to anyone who had looked at Vietnamese history.

But in the end, we taught them that "evil capitalism" is far more preferable to Marxism.

You can buy their Hawaiian shirts at any Walmart in America.

 

[Deadstick]

But in the end, we taught them that "evil capitalism" is far more preferable to Marxism.

You can buy their Hawaiian shirts at any Walmart in America.

The point is whatever way the Vietnamese chose to go was their choice not one forced on them by Foreign Colonilists and Imperalists.

 

[Deadstick]

Sounds absolutely awful .
Anybody might have thought there was a war going on .

As for that Geneva Convention --- seems to take all the fun out of it .
No point capturing someone if you cannot torture them like they do in the films .

Some idiots watch too many Hollywood films like the Deer Hunter which was full of self pity and propaganda, there is Zero evidence any POWs were forced to play Russian Roulette, but there is a lot of evidence that Vietnamese fighters were murdered and tortured, the image shows Tiger cages first used by French Colonialists and continued by the Americans. as for Village elders being shot that tends to happen with Collaborators.

 

[JGalt]

The point is whatever way the Vietnamese chose to go was their choice not one forced on them by Foreign Colonilists and Imperalists.

Our intent wasn't to colonize Vietnam. It was to prevent them from becoming another North Korea or East Germany. I think you're confusing the US with England.

 

[Deadstick]

Our intent wasn't to colonize Vietnam. It was to prevent them from becoming another North Korea or East Germany. I think you're confusing the US with England.

It was to install a Puppet regime to control the Country for exploitation, Britain was a Colonial power like the French, and how the hell was it America's business? thousands of miles away?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

After totally destroying the VC and emasculating the NVA to the point they couldn’t even maintain the Ho Chi Minh Trail and the PRVN sued for peace after obstructing and delaying the Paris Peace Talks for over a year. The war was over, North Vietnam surrendered.

No, they did not. The ceased military operations. They invaded in 1975, broke the SV forces in two weeks.

They won the wa.

 

[AZrailwhale]

No, they did not. The ceased military operations. They invaded in 1975, broke the SV forces in two weeks.

They won the wa.

They signed a peace treaty. Here are the details from Wikki:
"
The agreement called for:

• The withdrawal of all US and allied forces within sixty days.
• The return of prisoners of war parallel to the above.
• The clearing of mines from North Vietnamese ports by the US.
• The reunification of Vietnam through peaceful means without coercion or annexation by either party, and without foreign interference.
• The establishment of "Joint Military Commissions" composed of the four parties and an "International Commission of Control and Supervision" composed of Canada, Hungary, Indonesia, and Poland to implement the cease-fire. Both operate by unanimity.
• The withdrawal of foreign troops from Laos and Cambodia.
• A ban on the introduction of war material in South Vietnam unless on a replacement basis.
• A ban on introducing further military personnel into South Vietnam."

The USA and RVN lived up to it, the PRVN didn't. Like any communist country, they only lived up to agreements as long as they were beneficial to them.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

None of which erases the fact that the North outmaneuvered America and won the war.

 

[AZrailwhale]

None of which erases the fact that the North outmaneuvered America and won the war.

North Vietnam lost the war and took over a million KIA doing it. The agreed to all the points they had been denying for over a year to end the war because they were not getting any aid from China and the USSR anymore because the road and rail links to China had been severed by the Linebacker II raids and Haiphong Harbor was closed by US mines. The PRVN was out of weapons and starving when it signed the Paris Peace Accords.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Hanoi rules Saigon.

We lost the war to a third-rate commie state.

 

[luiza]

They won the wa.

We know the North won the war , Horsey , which is presumably why you are only giving your broken remainder a pin rather than a nice box of chocolates .

 

[AZrailwhale]

Hanoi rules Saigon.

We lost the war to a third-rate commie state.

No, there were no US troops involved in the defeat of the RVN by the Soviet supplied and trained new PRVN army. People like you prevented the US from using air power to support the RVN as we had promised when the Paris Peace Accords were signed. The PRVN operated first line Soviet and Chinese equipment often operated by Russian and Chinese soldiers.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

We lost the war.

Our goal was to keep the South out of the hands of the commies, and ...

 

[Deadstick]

I don't think some people will ever realize the Vietnamese from the Norths point of view and the Southern NLF fighters was always more bout National liberation from foreign domination than anything else.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Mistakes can't really be helped, that war was no mistake it was deliberate, i would have thought that war would have taught the Americans something about Imperialism and wars of choice, but it didn't.

Those Who Wanted Certain People Exempt from Fighting Wanted the Rest Killed. QED.

It was multiculturalism, letting the worthless South Vietnamese cowards, crooks, and collaborators get in our way. Changing "hearts and minds" is motivated by our ruling class's hatred of all other White people.

There's nothing wrong with Imperialism. USE IT OR LOSE IT is the iron law of evolution. The resources of the world belong to the evolved races, not to the squatters.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

We never should have gotten involved in that war.

Nervous-Nellie Narrative

Just another excuse for unpatriotic cowards to avoid the draft.

 

[Deadstick]

Those Who Wanted Certain People Exempt from Fighting Wanted the Rest Killed. QED.

It was multiculturalism, letting the worthless South Vietnamese cowards, crooks, and collaborators get in our way. Changing "hearts and minds" is motivated by our ruling class's hatred of all other White people.

There's nothing wrong with Imperialism. USE IT OR LOSE IT is the iron law of evolution. The resources of the world belong to the evolved races, not to the squatters.

Nothing wrong with Imperialism? millions of dead in Africa and South East Asia would beg to differ.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

We left because we could not eliminate the sanctuaries used for recovery, reequipment, and retraining; because we could not invade North Vietnam since we had no idea what Red China would do;

MacArthur's Revenge

 

[JGalt]

It was to install a Puppet regime to control the Country for exploitation, Britain was a Colonial power like the French, and how the hell was it America's business? thousands of miles away?

Exploitation of what? Rice?

 

[Deadstick]

Exploitation of what? Rice?

You tell me you invested enough money and blood into the place.