Don't look now...but the Patriots are PO'd!

[Alex.]

Once again...why is it that the Bears and the Colts didn't receive any punishment at all for heating game balls and pumping in crowd noise?

Don't know the NFL offices have the reports and reasoning.

 

[Oldstyle]

It's always bothered me that the team who turned in the Patriots for "Spygate" had themselves been caught doing the exact same thing yet the Patriots were branded as "cheaters" and the Jets were given a pass.

Then it's the Colts who claim the Patriots are using under inflated balls based solely on the ball that they had in their possession before turning it over to league officials...a team who had previously been caught piping in loud crowd noise over their PA system when their opponents had the ball on offense. So it's obvious that the Colts had no problem breaking the rules...yet they aren't questioned about that ball which was so much more under inflated than the other 11? How could any investigation that wanted to get to the bottom of what happened not begin by viewing ALL parties involved as suspect...especially a party that has a history of cheating?

So explain to me why the Well's investigation never investigated the Colts, Phallics?

 

[Oldstyle]

You don't know? That's your answer? You took the Well's Report as gospel, Phallics! You claimed that it found the Patriots to be cheaters and closed the case. Yet you don't know how or why they conducted the investigation?

That's lame and you know it.

It's why the Federal judge that heard the Brady appeal chastised the NFL for the lack of proof in the Well's Report. He saw...as any unbiased observer would see...that the Well's Report was a joke.

 

[Oldstyle]

And you don't have a reason why the Colts or the Bears weren't given as much as a slap on the wrist by the NFL for what are obvious violations of the rules that gave them an advantage over their opponents?

 

[Alex.]

It's always bothered me that the team who turned in the Patriots for "Spygate" had themselves been caught doing the exact same thing yet the Patriots were branded as "cheaters" and the Jets were given a pass.

Then it's the Colts who claim the Patriots are using under inflated balls based solely on the ball that they had in their possession before turning it over to league officials...a team who had previously been caught piping in loud crowd noise over their PA system when their opponents had the ball on offense. So it's obvious that the Colts had no problem breaking the rules...yet they aren't questioned about that ball which was so much more under inflated than the other 11? How could any investigation that wanted to get to the bottom of what happened not begin by viewing ALL parties involved as suspect...especially a party that has a history of cheating?

So explain to me why the Well's investigation never investigated the Colts, Phallics?

I would not trust the NFL for anything it is an oligopolistic market which lends itself to a questionable type of self governance.

 

[Alex.]

And you don't have a reason why the Colts or the Bears weren't given as much as a slap on the wrist by the NFL for what are obvious violations of the rules that gave them an advantage over their opponents?

I do not have reason as this was done by the NFL. If it were up to me there would be a clear course of action on all of this.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

alex show old fart style the link of all the thousands that agree with us so he can live in this fantasy of his that he right and the rest of the world is wrong.

I have given him that several times he has ignored to refused to acknowledge it. OFS is too busy thinking of Jack's joint and how to master it.

You continually whine about personal attacks, Phallics but you're the one who's always making them...

Stop jackin around and answer the question

you will be waiting YEARS for that since he always evades pesky facts.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

alex show old fart style the link of all the thousands that agree with us so he can live in this fantasy of his that he right and the rest of the world is wrong.

I have given him that several times he has ignored to refused to acknowledge it. OFS is too busy thinking of Jack's joint and how to master it.

yeah no surprise,any links you show him that is in a negative light on them,he wont read.

 

[Oldstyle]

It's always bothered me that the team who turned in the Patriots for "Spygate" had themselves been caught doing the exact same thing yet the Patriots were branded as "cheaters" and the Jets were given a pass.

Then it's the Colts who claim the Patriots are using under inflated balls based solely on the ball that they had in their possession before turning it over to league officials...a team who had previously been caught piping in loud crowd noise over their PA system when their opponents had the ball on offense. So it's obvious that the Colts had no problem breaking the rules...yet they aren't questioned about that ball which was so much more under inflated than the other 11? How could any investigation that wanted to get to the bottom of what happened not begin by viewing ALL parties involved as suspect...especially a party that has a history of cheating?

So explain to me why the Well's investigation never investigated the Colts, Phallics?

I would not trust the NFL for anything it is an oligopolistic market which lends itself to a questionable type of self governance.

That's wonderful, Phallics...but once again you've ducked my question!

Why didn't the Well's Investigation ever ask the Colts if they did anything to that ball that they handed over to officials at half time?

 

[Oldstyle]

alex show old fart style the link of all the thousands that agree with us so he can live in this fantasy of his that he right and the rest of the world is wrong.

I have given him that several times he has ignored to refused to acknowledge it. OFS is too busy thinking of Jack's joint and how to master it.

You continually whine about personal attacks, Phallics but you're the one who's always making them...

Stop jackin around and answer the question

you will be waiting YEARS for that since he always evades pesky facts.

You really are an idiot, Fart Boy! You'd know that I already answered the question several times if you didn't have me on ignore!

Which begs the question...who puts someone on ignore and then constantly critiques them for posts they can't read? Who would be THAT stupid!

 

[Oldstyle]

And you don't have a reason why the Colts or the Bears weren't given as much as a slap on the wrist by the NFL for what are obvious violations of the rules that gave them an advantage over their opponents?

I do not have reason as this was done by the NFL. If it were up to me there would be a clear course of action on all of this.

But you admit that it WAS done by the NFL? And then you wonder why a Federal judge looked at the way that the NFL attempted to punish Tom Brady and the Patriots and said it was unfair? Gee, think one might have something to do with the other? Duh?

 

[Alex.]

And you don't have a reason why the Colts or the Bears weren't given as much as a slap on the wrist by the NFL for what are obvious violations of the rules that gave them an advantage over their opponents?

I do not have reason as this was done by the NFL. If it were up to me there would be a clear course of action on all of this.

But you admit that it WAS done by the NFL? And then you wonder why a Federal judge looked at the way that the NFL attempted to punish Tom Brady and the Patriots and said it was unfair? Gee, think one might have something to do with the other? Duh?

Th judge used one set of federal rules and he should have used another. The NFL filed for an expedited hearing on appeal, rarely granted and received that. The case should be decided in a couple of months.

 

[Alex.]

It's always bothered me that the team who turned in the Patriots for "Spygate" had themselves been caught doing the exact same thing yet the Patriots were branded as "cheaters" and the Jets were given a pass.

Then it's the Colts who claim the Patriots are using under inflated balls based solely on the ball that they had in their possession before turning it over to league officials...a team who had previously been caught piping in loud crowd noise over their PA system when their opponents had the ball on offense. So it's obvious that the Colts had no problem breaking the rules...yet they aren't questioned about that ball which was so much more under inflated than the other 11? How could any investigation that wanted to get to the bottom of what happened not begin by viewing ALL parties involved as suspect...especially a party that has a history of cheating?

So explain to me why the Well's investigation never investigated the Colts, Phallics?

I would not trust the NFL for anything it is an oligopolistic market which lends itself to a questionable type of self governance.

That's wonderful, Phallics...but once again you've ducked my question!

Why didn't the Well's Investigation ever ask the Colts if they did anything to that ball that they handed over to officials at half time?

I am not ducking anything. If they fucked up, they fucked up, I have no idea who they should have asked

 

[Unkotare]

You're amazing...you demand an answer...I provide one. I ask that you answer mine and you accuse me of spouting "invective(s) and diatribes" while you dodge what I've asked you!

Are you EVER going to answer the questions I've put to you? You can't do the post the stupid pictures instead of answering thing because I pointed out that little trick of yours! So now it appears you're going to declare that I'm "attacking" you once again and THAT is why you're not answering? The "sorry ass bullshit" in this string is coming from you! You spend weeks ducking and dodging and then you run to the moderators and accuse people of "attacking" you. Show some integrity...

You waffled and avoided just like anyone who can't handle the truth. Afraid of the light so stay in the basement called your mind.

What have I waffled or avoided? Every single question you've asked me...I've answered! You on the other hand can't seem to answer ANY!

Have the Patriots been caught caught cheating yes or no?

Do you dress up like hitler, yes or no?

Go away turd boi

Stop denying reality. You will forever be linked to your hitler cross-dressing and you know it.

 

[Alex.]

You waffled and avoided just like anyone who can't handle the truth. Afraid of the light so stay in the basement called your mind.

What have I waffled or avoided? Every single question you've asked me...I've answered! You on the other hand can't seem to answer ANY!

Have the Patriots been caught caught cheating yes or no?

Do you dress up like hitler, yes or no?

Go away turd boi

Stop denying reality. You will forever be linked to your hitler cross-dressing and you know it.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

What have I waffled or avoided? Every single question you've asked me...I've answered! You on the other hand can't seem to answer ANY!

Have the Patriots been caught caught cheating yes or no?

Do you dress up like hitler, yes or no?

Go away turd boi

Stop denying reality. You will forever be linked to your hitler cross-dressing and you know it.

im sure this man is old fart styles hero as well since he is a fan of murderers.

 

[Oldstyle]

And you don't have a reason why the Colts or the Bears weren't given as much as a slap on the wrist by the NFL for what are obvious violations of the rules that gave them an advantage over their opponents?

I do not have reason as this was done by the NFL. If it were up to me there would be a clear course of action on all of this.

But you admit that it WAS done by the NFL? And then you wonder why a Federal judge looked at the way that the NFL attempted to punish Tom Brady and the Patriots and said it was unfair? Gee, think one might have something to do with the other? Duh?

Th judge used one set of federal rules and he should have used another. The NFL filed for an expedited hearing on appeal, rarely granted and received that. The case should be decided in a couple of months.

The judge based his decision on the CBA itself, Phallics. Yes, the Commissioner of the NFL was given almost unlimited power to impose discipline on teams and players in the latest CBA but included in the language of that agreement is the term "fair". Under the CBA, the Commissioner is required to be "fair" in his decisions! The reason that Judge Berman ruled against the NFL is that he didn't see fairness in the investigation that the NFL conducted and he didn't see fairness in the penalties that were imposed on Tom Brady.

As for when that case will be heard? I've heard February at the earliest...with six months more likely. By the way...once that hearing does occur? Don't hold your breath waiting for a reversal. Courts rarely reverse arbitration decisions but it's even rarer for one that is reversed to be reversed once again. Keep in mind that this last hearing was by a judge that the NFL wanted to hear the case and chose that venue to achieve that. If they couldn't get Berman to side with them...then what makes you think some other judge is going to find enough fault with Berman's ruling to overturn it?

 

[Alex.]

And you don't have a reason why the Colts or the Bears weren't given as much as a slap on the wrist by the NFL for what are obvious violations of the rules that gave them an advantage over their opponents?

I do not have reason as this was done by the NFL. If it were up to me there would be a clear course of action on all of this.

But you admit that it WAS done by the NFL? And then you wonder why a Federal judge looked at the way that the NFL attempted to punish Tom Brady and the Patriots and said it was unfair? Gee, think one might have something to do with the other? Duh?

Th judge used one set of federal rules and he should have used another. The NFL filed for an expedited hearing on appeal, rarely granted and received that. The case should be decided in a couple of months.

The judge based his decision on the CBA itself, Phallics. Yes, the Commissioner of the NFL was given almost unlimited power to impose discipline on teams and players in the latest CBA but included in the language of that agreement is the term "fair". Under the CBA, the Commissioner is required to be "fair" in his decisions! The reason that Judge Berman ruled against the NFL is that he didn't see fairness in the investigation that the NFL conducted and he didn't see fairness in the penalties that were imposed on Tom Brady.

As for when that case will be heard? I've heard February at the earliest...with six months more likely. By the way...once that hearing does occur? Don't hold your breath waiting for a reversal. Courts rarely reverse arbitration decisions but it's even rarer for one that is reversed to be reversed once again. Keep in mind that this last hearing was by a judge that the NFL wanted to hear the case and chose that venue to achieve that. If they couldn't get Berman to side with them...then what makes you think some other judge is going to find enough fault with Berman's ruling to overturn it?

These are the issues to be decided, "whether Berman incorrectly relied on the Federal Arbitration Act instead of the Labor Management Relations Act; whether Berman erred in vacating the suspension based on a disagreement over how commissioner Roger Goodell interpreted the NFL’s collective bargaining agreement; and whether Berman erred in vacating the suspension based on a disagreement over Goodell’s rulings."

NFL files paperwork to appeal Judge Berman’s Deflategate ruling - The Boston Globe

 

[Oldstyle]

It's always bothered me that the team who turned in the Patriots for "Spygate" had themselves been caught doing the exact same thing yet the Patriots were branded as "cheaters" and the Jets were given a pass.

Then it's the Colts who claim the Patriots are using under inflated balls based solely on the ball that they had in their possession before turning it over to league officials...a team who had previously been caught piping in loud crowd noise over their PA system when their opponents had the ball on offense. So it's obvious that the Colts had no problem breaking the rules...yet they aren't questioned about that ball which was so much more under inflated than the other 11? How could any investigation that wanted to get to the bottom of what happened not begin by viewing ALL parties involved as suspect...especially a party that has a history of cheating?

So explain to me why the Well's investigation never investigated the Colts, Phallics?

I would not trust the NFL for anything it is an oligopolistic market which lends itself to a questionable type of self governance.

That's wonderful, Phallics...but once again you've ducked my question!

Why didn't the Well's Investigation ever ask the Colts if they did anything to that ball that they handed over to officials at half time?

I am not ducking anything. If they fucked up, they fucked up, I have no idea who they should have asked

If they fucked up? Come on, Phallics...there's no question at this point that the Wells investigation was awful. You don't get chastised by a judge in open court if your investigation was done properly.

And you don't have a reason why the Colts or the Bears weren't given as much as a slap on the wrist by the NFL for what are obvious violations of the rules that gave them an advantage over their opponents?

I do not have reason as this was done by the NFL. If it were up to me there would be a clear course of action on all of this.

But you admit that it WAS done by the NFL? And then you wonder why a Federal judge looked at the way that the NFL attempted to punish Tom Brady and the Patriots and said it was unfair? Gee, think one might have something to do with the other? Duh?

Th judge used one set of federal rules and he should have used another. The NFL filed for an expedited hearing on appeal, rarely granted and received that. The case should be decided in a couple of months.

The judge based his decision on the CBA itself, Phallics. Yes, the Commissioner of the NFL was given almost unlimited power to impose discipline on teams and players in the latest CBA but included in the language of that agreement is the term "fair". Under the CBA, the Commissioner is required to be "fair" in his decisions! The reason that Judge Berman ruled against the NFL is that he didn't see fairness in the investigation that the NFL conducted and he didn't see fairness in the penalties that were imposed on Tom Brady.

As for when that case will be heard? I've heard February at the earliest...with six months more likely. By the way...once that hearing does occur? Don't hold your breath waiting for a reversal. Courts rarely reverse arbitration decisions but it's even rarer for one that is reversed to be reversed once again. Keep in mind that this last hearing was by a judge that the NFL wanted to hear the case and chose that venue to achieve that. If they couldn't get Berman to side with them...then what makes you think some other judge is going to find enough fault with Berman's ruling to overturn it?

These are the issues to be decided, "whether Berman incorrectly relied on the Federal Arbitration Act instead of the Labor Management Relations Act; whether Berman erred in vacating the suspension based on a disagreement over how commissioner Roger Goodell interpreted the NFL’s collective bargaining agreement; and whether Berman erred in vacating the suspension based on a disagreement over Goodell’s rulings."

NFL files paperwork to appeal Judge Berman’s Deflategate ruling - The Boston Globe

That article estimates that the case probably won't be heard until next spring or summer.

 

[Oldstyle]

For Berman's decision to be overturned by an appellate court the NFL is going to have to show that his ruling was flawed some how. Good luck on that. I read Berman's decision and he was very clear about why he was overturning Brady's suspension. You (and the NFL) may not like Berman's conclusion but it's a reasoned one and within the law.