Zone1 Does Jesus Love Everyone? Does He Love Everyone EQUALLY?

[Meriweather]

Its not a good place and its full of Catholic pedophile priests

You are aware, of course, that all faiths have had pedophile rabbis, priests, religious leaders. Why your interest and focus on Catholic priests?

 

[Hafar1014]

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Not nearly as full as it is of non-Catholic pedophile clergy, as well as pedophile school teachers.

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Not at all.

Hell is a place devoid of God.

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The difference is that the Catholic Church at the highest levels covered it up protecting priests and even moving them so they could continue while schools prosecuted and punished them.
Also in terms of numbers and decades of abuse the Church is the historic champion of sexual abuse of children by gay priests. Its morally disgusting

 

[Meriweather]

The difference is that the Catholic Church at the highest levels covered it up protecting priests and even moving them so they could continue while schools prosecuted and punished them.
Also in terms of numbers and decades of abuse the Church is the historic champion of sexual abuse of children by gay priests. Its morally disgusting

Don't be silly. Even a bit of research tells the story of the psychiatric community having retreats for all offenders (especially teachers) whose next step was to be assigned a different location. You cannot seem to grasp the hard fact there was a cloak of societal secrecy by and around everyone about this. However, perhaps nice of you just to pick one small percentage while whitewashing the majority?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

The difference is that the Catholic Church at the highest levels covered it up protecting priests and even moving them so they could continue while schools prosecuted and punished them.
Also in terms of numbers and decades of abuse the Church is the historic champion of sexual abuse of children by gay priests. Its morally disgusting

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To whatever extent you are speaking the truth, you will not find many people in the pews who are not ashamed of the ugly facts.

The seminaries have been taken over by queers, and we parishioners are fighting against that, as much as we can. It's a process.

Certainly, if I learned that my priest, deacon or bishop were queer, I'd beat feet. I'm lucky to live in a diocese that has had very little or no trouble with the queer priests who exploit children.

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[Hafar1014]

Don't be silly. Even a bit of research tells the story of the psychiatric community having retreats for all offenders (especially teachers) whose next step was to be assigned a different location. You cannot seem to grasp the hard fact there was a cloak of societal secrecy by and around everyone about this. However, perhaps nice of you just to pick one small percentage while whitewashing the majority?

I worked in the mental health system for 30 years. There is zero truth to your mindless claim. The Churcvh paid i billion in damages

2011 grand jury​

Report​

A third grand jury, in February 2011, accused the archdiocese, still under Rigali, of failing to stop the sexual abuse of children.<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>11<span>]</span></a> The report said that up to 37 priests had been credibly accused of sexual abuse or inappropriate behavior toward minors. Unlike the 2003 and 2005 grand juries, the 2011 grand jury handed down five indictments:

• Reverend Edward Averape – indecent sexual assault
• Reverend Robert Brennan – sexual assault
• Reverend Charles Engelhardt – orally sodomizing and molesting
• Bernard Shero – rape, attempted rape, involuntary deviant sexual intercourse and indecent sexual assault.
• Reverend William Lynn – two counts of endangering the welfare of a child<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>12<span>]</span></a>

Response by archdiocese​

Rigali initially said in February 2011 that "there were no active priests with substantiated allegations against them, but six days later, he placed three of the priests, whose activities had been described in detail by the grand jury, on administrative leave. He also hired an outside lawyer, Gina Maisto Smith, a former assistant district attorney, to re-examine all cases involving priests in active ministry and review the procedures employed by the archdiocese."<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a>

In March 2011, Rigali invited Catholics to a special Stations of the Cross penitential service at the Cathedral Basilica of Saints Peter and Paul in Philadelphia.<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a> The purpose of the service, he wrote in his Lenten letter, was 'the forgiveness of all sins and reconciliation with God and in the community.'

The 2011 grand jury found that "archdiocesan officials ignored all of Achilles' initial recommendations" ... Rigali hired Achilles again last week to perform the same service," according to one report. District Attorney R. Seth Williams said he respected Rigali's choice of Smith to lead the case review.<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>9<span>]</span></a>

In July 2011, Pope Benedict XVI accepted Rigali's resignation as archbishop of Philadelphia. At that time, Rigali said that he "...offered an apology 'if I have offended' and 'for any weaknesses on my part'. However, he failed to see any connection between the scandal and the Vatican accepting his resignation. The pope named Archbishop Charles J. Chaput of the Archdiocese of Denver to succeed Rigali.<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a><a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a>

Media reaction to report​

David J. O'Brien, who teaches Catholic history at the University of Dayton in Dayton, Ohio, stated in March 2011, "The situation in Philadelphia is Boston reborn."<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a>

Maureen Dowd in The New York Times, concluded in March 2011,

"Out of the church's many unpleasant confrontations with modernity, this is the starkest. It's tragically past time to send the message that priests can't do anything they want and hide their sins behind special privilege."<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>17<span>]</span></a>

In April 2011, Richard McBrien, writing for the National Catholic Reporter (NCR) drew attention to Rigali's failure to live up to the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People, approved in 2002 by the US Conference of Catholic Bishops. McBrien stated that Rigali had

"made an unfortunate mistake in fundamental logic by making a universal negative assertion that could be rebutted by even a single case to the contrary ... [by] denying the allegation that there were other abusive priests still at work in the Archdiocese ... [when] oon thereafter he removed twenty-one priests."<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>18<span>]</span></a>

In July 2011, Robert Huber at Philadelphia magazine published a 7,630-word article which opened with Rigali's question "Is it true?" about the 2011 grand jury report. It moved on to ask "Will the Catholic Church as we know it survive in Philadelphia?" <a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>19<span>]</span></a> The piece concluded with a critique from the archdiocese which began: "Unfortunately for Philadelphia magazine readers looking for honest, in-depth reporting, this piece is an agenda-driven travesty of salacious innuendo masquerading as journalism."<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>19<span>]</span></a>

William Lynn​

One of the most prominent sexual abuse cases in the 2010's was that of Monsignor William Lynn, who served as the Secretary of the Clergy for the archdiocese from 1993 to 2004. Lynn was never accused of sexually abusing any children; however, he would be indicted on charges of covering up the sexual abuse crimes of priests that he was supervising. The 2003 grand jury investigation of the archdiocese named Lynn as one of the church officials who ignored or covered up sexual abuse crimes by priests.<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>20<span>]</span></a> The follow-up grand jury in 2005 specifically singled out Lynn for his repeated efforts to keep Reverend Robert L. Brennan working in parishes, despite discussions as to whether or not he was a pedophile. Brennan abused multiple boys in four parishes.<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>21<span>]</span></a>

In February 2011, Lynn was indicted on two counts on endangering the welfare of a child by the third grand jury investigating the archdiocese. At that time, he was serving as pastor of St. Joseph Church in Downingtown. The indictment stated that Lynn failed to stop three priests and a teacher from raping two boys during the 1990s. The three other priests (Charles Engelhardt, Edward Avery and Robert Brennan) and the teacher (Bernard Shero) were indicted at the same time. Lynn maintained that he was innocent.<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>22<span>]</span></a>

The first victim was Danny Gallagher, who was 10-years old-when he claimed to have been first sexually assaulted by Engelhardt, then by Avery and Shero. The second victim was Sean McIlmail, whom Brennan sexually abused when the boy was 14-years-old. Lynn was aware of the allegations against all four men, but did not notify police or their parishes, and worked to cover-up their actions. Before the start of his trial, Avery pleaded guilty in March 2012 to conspiracy and sexually assault; he was sentenced to two and a half to five years in state prison.<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>23<span>]</span></a>

Lynn went on trial in late March 2012. The jury heard testimony from McIlmail, Gallagher, and Lynn among others In June, 2012, Lynn was convicted of one of two child endangerment charges, and acquitted of a single count of conspiracy.<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>24<span>]</span></a> He was sentenced to three to six years in prison. Criminal charges against Brennan were dropped after McIlmail died of a heroin overdose in 2013.<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>25<span>]</span></a> Shero was convicted of multiple charges in 2013 and was sentenced to eight to 16 years in prison.<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>26<span>]</span></a>

In December 2013, a three-judge panel of the Pennsylvania Superior Court overturned Lynn's conviction. The court stated that Lynn was not legally responsible for the abuses committed by priests under his supervision. He was released from prison.<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>27<span>]</span></a> In April 2015, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court reinstated Lynn's conviction.<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>28<span>]</span></a> Lynn returned to prison that month.<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>29<span>]</span></a>

In December 2015, the Pennsylvania Superior Court vacated Lynn's conviction and ordered a new trial. Lynn was again released from prison. The court ruled that Lynn's trial judge allowed excessive testimony in the trial about extraneous sexual abuse cases, creating prejudice among the jurors. In July 2016, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court affirmed the Superior Court ruling. In August 2016, the court set May 2017 as the date for Lynn's new trial.<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>30<span>]</span></a>

In January 2016, Newsweek Magazine obtained a psychiatric report on Gallagher that cast serious doubt on his value as a witness. The report described him as manipulative and self-serving, possibly a indicating a paranoid or passive-aggressive personality. Gallagher admitted that some of his stories were untrue and other stories had details indicating they were lies.<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>31<span>]</span></a>

In March 2017, Judge Gwendolyn N. Bright struck down Lynn's motion to stop a new trial due to prosecutorial misconduct. The defense said that the prosecution had brought in retired police detective, Joseph Walsh to work with Gallagher on his testimony. According to defense attorneys, they would have called Walsh to testify about Gallagher's truthfulness in the trial if they had known about him. In 2019, it was reported that Lynn had been suspended from ministry following the 2011 grand jury investigation.

In March 2020, Lynn's second trial was set to begin. Due to concerns about the reliability of Gallagher as a witness, the sole charge was one count of child endangerment.<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>32<span>]</span></a> However, due to the rapid onset of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States, the trial was delayed.<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>33<span>]</span></a> Lynn in December 2022 pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor charge of failing to turn over records to the 2003 grand jury. No further charges or punishment were imposed on Lynn.<a href="Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>34<span>]</span></a>

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[Meriweather]

I worked in the mental health system for 30 years. There is zero truth to your mindless claim. The Churcvh paid i billion in damages

Dig more deeply (beyond the Catholic Church) into what was happening. You are barely scratching the surface. That all of society, as a whole covered up so much for so long is both appalling and heartbreaking. Pretending or imagining it was about the Catholic Church, when it was the tiniest percent, might be the only comfort some derive from the horror. For me, attitudes such as your own are the final chapter in society's great cover-up. You hiding behind the Catholic faith and the little (in comparison) that went on there so as not having to wake up and face all the rest (the great majority) is quite ironic, isn't it?

Mindless claim? I did the research. If your research is limited to work in the mental health system, you have more work and research to do outside that small piece.

 

[Hafar1014]

Dig more deeply (beyond the Catholic Church) into what was happening. You are barely scratching the surface. That all of society, as a whole covered up so much for so long is both appalling and heartbreaking. Pretending or imagining it was about the Catholic Church, when it was the tiniest percent, might be the only comfort some derive from the horror. For me, attitudes such as your own are the final chapter in society's great cover-up. You hiding behind the Catholic faith and the little (in comparison) that went on there so as not having to wake up and face all the rest (the great majority) is quite ironic, isn't it?

Mindless claim? I did the research. If your research is limited to work in the mental health system, you have more work and research to do outside that small piece.

There is no comparison your attempt at equivalency shows why the church got away with it so long. Youre making excuses. Thats morally retarded. You dont research anything youre an apologist fir child abusers just because they were priests. Even worse this was world wide problem

 

[Meriweather]

You dont research anything youre an apologist fir child

Never what I did, and you know it. Do the research or give it up.

 

[SweetSue92]

I thought he was God. Cant be both

Modern science is finally catching up with the Bible on this.

 

[DennisPTate]

Would love your answers on this. Cite Bible verses if you can.

Hebrews 9:27
"And just as it is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgment,"

Near death experiencers are reporting that the Life Review that they experience during a brush with death is not what they had expected at all. They were often expecting to be judged by an extremely Critical and Judgmental Creator but instead the Life Review, [that I am convinced is the "judgment" mentioned in Hebrews chapter 9], was very positive and did not involve the types of things that we would tend to expect that we would be judged for. The life review was basically about whether or not we learned to love, or not!

Actually near death experiencers are finding out that all of us have a mission that we plan before we are even conceived.

b. Mission Information Revealed by the Being of Light​

Some NDErs describe encountering a Being of Light who gives them a life review where their mission is revealed in profound detail. Other NDErs learn from the Being of Light that their mission cannot be revealed. Either way, the NDEr usually forgets the details of their mission upon returning to earthly life.

During her life review, Lynnclaire Dennis was informed by the Being of Light of her mission in life – a rare occurrence in NDEs – because often the NDEr is told they cannot know it or that they will be made to forget it upon return. In Lynnclaire’s case, a Being of Light she refers to as “The Presence” revealed to her a special mission she was to perform: “Lynnclaire, you will be a catalyst for change, for love. You will bring forth, hold, and honor remembrance. You will bring to conscious awareness the realms, realities, and remnants in order that the spirit may remember the dance.” Her NDE encounter with the Light, which she refers to as “The Pattern”, led to a scientific discovery involving the topology of the Light.

The Being of Light told Lisa M. during her life review that her mission is to learn and practice love, and to help others: Lisa encountered a radiant male Being of Light who radiated unearthly, unconditional love. The Being revealed her entire life in a single, instantaneous vision and gently reminded her of her true purpose: to grow in love and compassion, to express these qualities on Earth, and to help others however she could.

Joon O. learned from the Being of Light that her mission is to help a lot of people: “He (Being of Light) said, ‘It’s not your time to come here yet. Go back there and help a lot of people, and then come back!’… I had to return to this world with a specific mission: Help lots of people!”

Bill W. learned from the Being of Light that his mission is to help children and make a difference: “After my healing, I knew that my mission was to work with children… I knew I was to open up a Dungeons & Dragons den to help children. I could only come back if I made a difference in someone else’s life.”

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It is almost impossible for you and I to imagine that the Creator of the Universe is interested in the mission in life that you and I are working on. Everybody has a mission and near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley was shown that only the most courageous and spiritually advanced spiritual beings would volunteer to incarnate into the body of a child destined to have cancer or some other type of serious sickness or disability.

 

[Calgon]

To reframe this. The Bible calls believers adopted sons, children of God.

Do most of you love kids? I hope so. I do, and always have.

Do you love all kids equally? Do you love neighbors' kids as much as your own?

Not sure I understand your last two questions. Are you comparing people with God?

 

[Calgon]

In my experience neither Jesus nor his Father give a **** about anyone. Thst has been my personal experience and likewise the experience of many others around me, whether they recognize it or not.

Then what's the point? Of anything?

 

[Calgon]

I most certainly do not. Especially the young ones. They’re the world’s most prolific venereal disease so far as I’m concerned.

but you were a kid.

 

[Calgon]

If someone is a terrible driver, do we go back and prosecute the driver's school where they learned to drive?

Some probably would. Look at frustrated people who prosecute parents for their kids' misdeeds.

 

[Calgon]

John 3:16

Are you upset about it?

Do you believe that?

 

[Calgon]

After my father died I went on a multi-year search for an answer. I talked to clergy members abd spiritual leaders from about every organized or semi-organized religion and movement I could find.

I asked them one question… one word “Why?” No context, just that one word. The responses were many and varied. They ranged from blank stares and shoulder shrugs to long-winded theological bullshit I’m not even sure they believed.

It was only after I started talking to the more spiritual and less religious folks that I found anything that made sense to me. I realized that the answer had been right in front of my eyes the whole time… “why?” - “because it’s the purpose of the world to **** us over and make our lives as difficult as possible.” It hit me that once I accepted this whole life is a test for the soul and nothing more, the horrors make sense.

What I ended up with was a spiritual system centered around ge idea that “god” isn’t an entity so much as simply a Unicersal power. It exists to put our souls through the most difficult tests possible to determine if we can/will live properly. After death we get judged… those who have truly lived properly get to move on to somewhere better. The unredeemable souls get sent to some sort of eternal damnation and those souls in the middle get a refresher on Right and Wrong and then sent back o try again.

So you believe in reincarnation?

 

[Calgon]

The difference is that the Catholic Church at the highest levels covered it up protecting priests and even moving them so they could continue while schools prosecuted and punished them.
Also in terms of numbers and decades of abuse the Church is the historic champion of sexual abuse of children by gay priests. Its morally disgusting

Any stats on that versus other groups?

 

[Hafar1014]

Any stats on that versus other groups?

The church has been doing this for over 100 years

 

[ding]

Jews only have Heaven. You invented hell to threaten people into obedience. Thats love in Christianity. They love to hate non believers

So all Jews go to heaven? That's odd because what was the purpose of the prophets warning against paying lip service to God if all Jews go to heaven. Why didn't they just write, hey, pay all the lip service you want to God and do whatever pleases you because we are all going to heaven?

Christians didn't invent heaven or hell. Heaven is being eternally united with God. Hell is being eternally separated from God. If you lead your life in such a way, when the time comes you won't be able to accept God's love. That's not God sending you to hell. That's you sending yourself to hell... which is being eternally separated from God. That's what Christianity teaches.

 

[ding]

The need to believe in Jesus. There is no hell for us or a devil. We have no use for Christian dogma to us its primitive

You said ALL Jews are saved. If there is no hell what are they being saved from?