Does Anybody Believe the Universities' Line About So-Called "American Imperialism' ?

[protectionist]

You need to read the history of empires and how they die. We’re watching the US empire die before our eyes, exactly as previous warlike imperialist empires have died.

There is no current US empire.

 

[protectionist]

If you dispute the points made in that post you’re terribly uninformed, just as stated in my first post. You’ve deluded yourself.

Hot air rhetoric. Unlike the other posters in this thread, you have not named a single country that you think is a recipient of US imperialism, and upon what basis you would claim that. You have stated nothing but your unsubstantiated opinion, plus a link to a highly biased website.

And what about my statements about the US as # 1 VICTIM of imperialism in the world, where I cited FOUR countries (Mexico, China, India, Philippines), backed up with the substance of a source link to Pew Research. ? No comment ?

Not meaning to be overly impetuous here, but so far you are being shredded in this debate.

 

[protectionist]

All ARE American Imperialism.
BUUUUUT
Since you don't believe in American Imperialism
THEM
Why would you "see" imperialism?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA

None of those are American Imperialism NOW. THAT is what we're talking about. Can you read ?

 

[gipper]

Hot air rhetoric. Unlike the other posters in this thread, you have not named a single country that you think is a recipient of US imperialism, and upon what basis you would claim that. You have stated nothing but your unsubstantiated opinion, plus a link to a highly biased website.

And what about my statements about the US as # 1 VICTIM of imperialism in the world, where I cited FOUR countries (Mexico, China, India, Philippines), backed up with the substance of a source link to Pew Research. ? No comment ?

Not meaning to be overly impetuous here, but so far you are being shredded in this debate.

You can’t shred shit. You live in a dream state of your own making.

 

[Mac-7]

It’s not a ‘lie.’

American Imperialism: Annexing the Philippines - History and Headlines

On November 2, 1900, Dr. Jacob Gould Schurman (1854-1942), President of the First Philippine Commission, stated, "Should our power by any fatality be..."

www.historyandheadlines.com

This is the classic example of a brainwashed lib

as someone pointed out the philippines received full independence 75 years ago

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

YES we did.
We slaughtered over 3 million innocent Vietnamese over the idiotic label we simply do not understand, "communism".

And yes, the US is the single most Nazi country in the world, by far.
Nazi is short for National Socialist Party, which was totally anti-socialist, and was a oligarchy of the wealthy elite.
That is exactly what the US is, with the same Military Industrial Complex in charge that appointed Hitler.

You seem to be under the delusion that Communism doesn't have it's wealthy elite.

 

[Dragonlady]

I just saw an episode on Newsmax where a reporter was asking college students if they believe there is American imperialism. If the students answered yes (most did), they were asked to sign a petition to stop it. Quite a few signed the petition.

After signing, the students (apparently victims of heavy indoctrination) were asked to provide an example of where "American imperialism" is going on. now, or over the past 20 years. None were able to respond with a single location.

I wish I would have been that reporter. I would have asked the kids if they knew of the USA being a VICTIM of imperialism. I would have also asked them to provide a definition of "imperialism".

Here are 2 definitions >>

1.

Definition of IMPERIALISM

the policy, practice, or advocacy of extending the power and dominion of a nation especially by direct territorial acquisitions or by gaining indirect control over the political or economic life of other areas; broadly : the extension or imposition of power, authority, or… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

2.

What Is Imperialism?

Imperialism is the policy or act of extending a country’s power into other territories or gaining control over another country’s politics or economy.

www.thebalance.com

I would have loved to tell these brainwashed students that the US is the #1 VICTIM of imperialism in the world today, and has been for the last 20 years, by the way 21st century imperialism is conducted (migrant remittances).

Remittance flows worldwide in 2017

Worldwide, an estimated $625 billion (USD) was sent by migrants to individuals in their home countries in 2017, a 7% increase from 2016, when the amount was $586 billion, according to economists at the World Bank. This increase follows two consecutive years of decline.

www.pewresearch.org

Of course you'd say such a thing because you're just that STUPID.

Examples: The Gulf War, Manuel Noriega, the Iraq War, the Afghanistan War, Trump's attempt to extort the Ukrainian President.

Since the 1970's, the World Bank and the IMF, both headquartered in New York and basically under American control, imposed certain "capitalistic ideologies" based on Milton Friedman's toxic and failed economic models, on new nations seeking to join western democracy or to promote democratic values. See Chile, Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil, Poland, South Africa, Russia.

That's just off the top of my head.

 

[Dragonlady]

This is the classic example of a brainwashed lib

as someone pointed out the philippines received full independence 75 years ago

Did they???? What's that big naval base doing there? Protecting the Philippine government, that's what.

 

[Mac-7]

Did they???? What's that big naval base doing there? Protecting the Philippine government, that's what.

Mind your own business

 

[Rigby5]

There is no current US empire.

Wrong.
If the US did not currently have an empire, we would have a military about 1/10th the size of the one we have not, that uses about 75% of our national budget.
If the US did not currently have an empire, we would not have invaded Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc., and we control Palestine, Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, NATO, the UN, etc.
The fact we do not do it as blatantly as the ancient Romans did, does not mean our economic bribes, extortion, monopolies, etc., are not an illegal empire.

 

[Rigby5]

You seem to be under the delusion that Communism doesn't have it's wealthy elite.

Who says Vietnam was ever communist?
The fact they got help from China and Russia means nothing, since Ho Chi Minh spent at least a decade in the US first, trying to get the US to help liberate Vietnam from the evil French.

Stalin was never communist in any way, and established about the most capitalist system since the feudalism of the Dark Ages.

 

[Dragonlady]

Mind your own business

I am "minding my own business" when I disabuse gullible Americans of the lies and propaganda that the Republican Party keeps repeating until you fools believe whatever they tell you. Amazing how closely their lies align with Putin's lies, isn't it?

 

[Mac-7]

Who says Vietnam was ever communist?
The fact they got help from China and Russia means nothing, since Ho Chi Minh spent at least a decade in the US first, trying to get the US to help liberate Vietnam from the evil French.

Stalin was never communist in any way, and established about the most capitalist system since the feudalism of the Dark Ages.

I see we have a pinko who does not want to be tainted by the past failures of communism

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Wrong.
If the US did not currently have an empire, we would have a military about 1/10th the size of the one we have not, that uses about 75% of our national budget.
If the US did not currently have an empire, we would not have invaded Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc., and we control Palestine, Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, NATO, the UN, etc.
The fact we do not do it as blatantly as the ancient Romans did, does not mean our economic bribes, extortion, monopolies, etc., are not an illegal empire.

75% ? How is that possible when we spend more on entitlement programs than we do the Military.

 

[Rigby5]

I see we have a pinko who does not want to be tainted by the past failures of communism

Communism requires government be collective, communal, and cooperative.
Stalin's USSR was centralized and authoritarian, so in no way was at all collective, communal, or cooperative.
Communism is like with you have employee owned companies and has to be very local, like an Israeli Kibbutzim.

 

[Rigby5]

75% ? How is that possible when we spend more on entitlement programs than we do the Military.

We spend very little on welfare, and things like Social Security and Medicare, are self funding, so do not at all belong in the annual federal budget.

 

[Mac-7]

Communism requires government be collective, communal, and cooperative.
Stalin's USSR was centralized and authoritarian, so in no way was at all collective, communal, or cooperative.
Communism is like with you have employee owned companies and has to be very local, like an Israeli Kibbutzim.

Modern communism in America will be not different than communism anywhere else

it will be authoritive and centralized

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

We spend very little on welfare, and things like Social Security and Medicare, are self funding, so do not at all belong in the annual federal budget.

No medicare and Social Security are not self funded both have horrifying unfunded liabilities.

• President Biden’s budget for FY 2022 totals $6.011 trillion, eclipsing all other previous budgets.
• Mandatory expenditures, such as Social Security, Medicare, and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, account for about 65% of the budget.
• Budget expenditures exceed federal revenues by $1.873 trillion for FY 2022.
• Most of these revenues come from taxes and earnings from quantitative easing.

U.S. Federal Budget Breakdown

The FY 2022 federal budget proposal was over $6 trillion, with an estimated revenue of about $4.2 trillion, creating a deficit worth about $1.9 trillion.

www.thebalance.com

 

[Soupnazi630]

Who says Vietnam was ever communist?
The fact they got help from China and Russia means nothing, since Ho Chi Minh spent at least a decade in the US first, trying to get the US to help liberate Vietnam from the evil French.

Stalin was never communist in any way, and established about the most capitalist system since the feudalism of the Dark Ages.

The communist ruler of North Vietnam said it was communist and it has been since he ( Ho Chi Minh ) illegallyu siezed power.

STalin was communist to the core. He established no capitalist system at all and oppressed property rights and free marlets instituing vast poberty as all communists do.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Communism requires government be collective, communal, and cooperative.
Stalin's USSR was centralized and authoritarian, so in no way was at all collective, communal, or cooperative.
Communism is like with you have employee owned companies and has to be very local, like an Israeli Kibbutzim.

Communism is never about community or cooperation it requires dictatorship slavery and mass murder.

Stalin's USSR was communist as communism was designed.

COmmunal owned businesses are not communist they are simply a different business model which seldom works well